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PETA fucks, and liberal douche remnants are the only ones bitching. You would be surprised by how many deer hunters are also against it. I actually think it's illegal in some places. Please cite sources? They screw up genetics in animals and typically are encouraged to be exterminated. |
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Wow PETA people are crazy!
I passed on one myself many years ago. It was during a driving snow storm on the last day of the season in the final hours of the day. The woods were dead silent and nothing was moving. I was in deep woods, it was getting dark and the snow was starting to coat the sides of the trees facing north. When looking that direction, all you could see was blank white with a twig or stick here and there. A small albino buck appeared silently (almost magically) from nowhere. I was watching that direction the entire time and I really don't know where he came from. He was suddenly just there. He was digging through the snow with his hooves, trying to forage the last of the grass. The whole scene was so freaky that I found myself paralyzed and could do nothing but watch him disappear into the wilderness. Weird! |
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A friend shot an 8 point doe roughly 10 years ago. Since when do does have antlers? It happens sometimes. You still have to tag them with your buck tag though. That's why the tag has a checkbox for sex and they are called antlered and anterless deer tags instead of buck and doe tags. Interesting, never heard of that before. I've only seen it once so far, spike horn. The guy went to gut it and it had a bag and lady parts. |
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rare doe with antlers
According to biologists, it’s actually more like a once in many lifetimes thing.
“I think the last number I heard at a scientific meeting was something like one in about 10,000 will have antlers,” said Grant Woods, a Missouri-based biologist with 25 years’ experience researching whitetail deer who hosts a television show on deer management. “It’s rare, but it’s certainly going to happen.” View Quote |
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I might have let it go... it made it to 10 points and wouldn't taste very good... on the other hand that would be one hell of a conversation piece if I took it to a taxidermist.
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the piebalds need to be culled, they are sway backed sickly freaks
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes.
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A friend shot an 8 point doe roughly 10 years ago. Since when do does have antlers? |
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Albinism is a genetic defect that is detrimental to the herd. They should be culled whenever the opportunity presents itself. |
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. View Quote I would agree with this fully. |
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Who gives a shit about alibino deer? Just PETA losers being losers View Quote Well here the DNR cares. If you kill a true Albino Deer you will be fined, and lose the Deer. Then have to pay a replacement cost for the Deer. Might also lose a Quad if you used one, and whatever vehicle you transported the Deer in. Now a Piebald Deer. One that has a lot of white in it, is fair game. But that Albino with the pink eyes will get you up shits creek, without a paddle. I've never seen one in my 52 years of hunting in several states. Edit to say that personally I don't care. But the Damn Near Russian FISH COPS do!! |
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That was this lady, but there was another one, I'll see if I can find it. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/03/19/1226024/495500-julia-symons.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I dare say the PETA bedwetters aren't going to mess with someone who is armed and has already demonstrated a willingness to kill things.... You assume they have more common sense than they actually do. I'm reminded of one exceptionally bright animal rights activist a couple of years ago who threatened to wear a bear costume and crawl around in the woods during a bear hunt so a hunter would feel guilty for accidentally killing a human. Wasn't there an incident with a duck hunter too, some guy came out with a .22 to scare him away because he didn't want the birds shot. He ended up catching a high brass load of steel shot to the face. I remember one like that, but it was a woman. I remember seeing her picture. Pepper face. That was this lady, but there was another one, I'll see if I can find it. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/03/19/1226024/495500-julia-symons.jpg Shooter needs to choke up and get more pellets on target. |
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. |
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Because they think that wasting the carcass (guts, bones, etc) is morally superior to wasting the meat. |
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. |
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Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence why we call them "trophy" animals. They hve survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence why we call them "trophy" animals. They hve survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. Not necessarily true. Trophy animals today have avoided being shot, hooked, or caught for a longer period of time. |
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Not necessarily true. Trophy animals today have avoided being shot, hooked, or caught for a longer period of time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence why we call them "trophy" animals. They hve survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. Not necessarily true. Trophy animals today have avoided being shot, hooked, or caught for a longer period of time. Exactly, and the reason they have avoided that of course contains an element of luck to it, but it also has to do with their genetics. Maybe that individual is stronger, faster, or has finer-tuned senses than other individuals, which is why he has survived so long. Therefore, if hunters were to pass up on the opportunity to kill him, then they would give him a longer opportunity to breed and pass his superior genetics on to his offspring, which will in turn create baby deer that have a great potential to grow up strong, fit, and better-suited for their environment just like dad, thus resulting in a superior population overall. |
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Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. Not really though, especially with whitetails. By the time they are big enough to be sought after by those hunters they are probably at least 2.5 - 3 years old. In that time frame they have likely knocked up plenty of does and have both 1.5 year old and yearling offspring all over the place. |
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So a defective gene makes them sooper speshul?
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Exactly, and the reason they have avoided that of course contains an element of luck to it, but it also has to do with their genetics. Maybe that individual is stronger, faster, or has finer-tuned senses than other individuals, which is why he has survived so long. Therefore, if hunters were to pass up on the opportunity to kill him, then they would give him a longer opportunity to breed and pass his superior genetics on to his offspring, which will in turn create baby deer that have a great potential to grow up strong, fit, and better-suited for their environment just like dad, thus resulting in a superior population overall. View Quote Right, they probably have genetically superior survival traits, but that really does nothing to help the herd from a health standpoint. It actually mimics nature if we had wild wolf or bear populations here. |
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. View Quote Thy is that? I won't pull the bow back, or pull the trigger on a Deer that scores less than 150. Been hunting since I was 12. 60, now and I've killed my share of smaller Deer. Just haven't done that for many years now. Hell we use the meat. I just don't shoot little Bucks. I let them grow up! So What. |
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Quoted: Please cite sources? They screw up genetics in animals and typically are encouraged to be exterminated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: PETA fucks, and liberal douche remnants are the only ones bitching. You would be surprised by how many deer hunters are also against it. I actually think it's illegal in some places. Please cite sources? They screw up genetics in animals and typically are encouraged to be exterminated. I don't have a source, just rumors I've heard. I was wondering if it was true. I think the herd of white deer must have different genetics than the usual albino deer. Just because that would be so unusual to have a whole herd of white deer. I read an article about it years ago but can't remember what was in it. |
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Exactly, and the reason they have avoided that of course contains an element of luck to it, but it also has to do with their genetics. Maybe that individual is stronger, faster, or has finer-tuned senses than other individuals, which is why he has survived so long. Therefore, if hunters were to pass up on the opportunity to kill him, then they would give him a longer opportunity to breed and pass his superior genetics on to his offspring, which will in turn create baby deer that have a great potential to grow up strong, fit, and better-suited for their environment just like dad, thus resulting in a superior population overall. Right, they probably have genetically superior survival traits, but that really does nothing to help the herd from a health standpoint. It actually mimics nature if we had wild wolf or bear populations here. Predators don't go after the biggest, baddest prey that they can find. That would require an immense energy expenditure and possibly cause harm to themselves in the course of fighting the prey. Predators are careful and want an easy prey that will result in a maximum output of food vs energy output on their end. If they have the choice to attack a huge buck or a gimpy albino freak that stands out like a sore thumb, they will take the easy albino kill every time. |
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Quoted: Well here the DNR cares. If you kill a true Albino Deer you will be fined, and lose the Deer. Then have to pay a replacement cost for the Deer. Might also lose a Quad if you used one, and whatever vehicle you transported the Deer in. Now a Piebald Deer. One that has a lot of white in it, is fair game. But that Albino with the pink eyes will get you up shits creek, without a paddle. I've never seen one in my 52 years of hunting in several states. Edit to say that personally I don't care. But the Damn Near Russian FISH COPS do!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Who gives a shit about alibino deer? Just PETA losers being losers Well here the DNR cares. If you kill a true Albino Deer you will be fined, and lose the Deer. Then have to pay a replacement cost for the Deer. Might also lose a Quad if you used one, and whatever vehicle you transported the Deer in. Now a Piebald Deer. One that has a lot of white in it, is fair game. But that Albino with the pink eyes will get you up shits creek, without a paddle. I've never seen one in my 52 years of hunting in several states. Edit to say that personally I don't care. But the Damn Near Russian FISH COPS do!! If only we knew where you were . . . . |
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My friend at work shot the one in WI last year. It made world news for the over reaction. They even made a new law because of it. It's mounted and displayed at the Scheel's Sports in Appleton, WI.
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Not really though, especially with whitetails. By the time they are big enough to be sought after by those hunters they are probably at least 2.5 - 3 years old. In that time frame they have likely knocked up plenty of does and have both 1.5 year old and yearling offspring all over the place. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. Not really though, especially with whitetails. By the time they are big enough to be sought after by those hunters they are probably at least 2.5 - 3 years old. In that time frame they have likely knocked up plenty of does and have both 1.5 year old and yearling offspring all over the place. And imagine how many more times they could reproduce if they were left alone. Just to clarify, trophy hunters don't piss me off. I don't agree with it, but I wouldn't plan on trying to stop them from what they do. If they want to mess with a population then so be it, but it is at least useful to have a basic understanding of population genetics and why killing a trophy animal is bad for the population. This is a reason how species go endangered or extinct in some regions. |
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Quoted: Because they think that wasting the carcass (guts, bones, etc) is morally superior to wasting the meat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Because they think that wasting the carcass (guts, bones, etc) is morally superior to wasting the meat. Why do you think they waste the carcass?!? I don't personally know anybody that wastes a carcass, and I know a few trophy hunters, even a family that goes (or used to go) to Africa. That meat wasn't wasted either. They paid a lot of money to hunt and have the trophy's brought back. |
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Why do you think they waste the carcass?!? I don't personally know anybody that wastes a carcass, and I know a few trophy hunters, even a family that goes (or used to go) to Africa. That meat wasn't wasted either. They paid a lot of money to hunt and have the trophy's brought back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Because they think that wasting the carcass (guts, bones, etc) is morally superior to wasting the meat. Why do you think they waste the carcass?!? I don't personally know anybody that wastes a carcass, and I know a few trophy hunters, even a family that goes (or used to go) to Africa. That meat wasn't wasted either. They paid a lot of money to hunt and have the trophy's brought back. As far as big game hunting goes, Africans are brilliant. They learned long ago that killing a tiger will feed the village for a while, but letting whitey come across the pond and pay $50,000 to kill one will help the village out MUCH more so than if they were to kill it themselves. Had they not realized this, they would have wiped out the populations of a number of large mammalians long ago, but instead they have figured out that letting some rich guys pay immense sums to kill a few each year will not only preserve the remaining population that they have, but it will financially help them out as well. |
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I am waiting to see who takes that animal costume thing to the next level.
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Quoted: Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You cull the freaks out of the herd. That makes a healthier herd. Conservationists know this. Knee jerk environmentalists try to save the special snow flakes. I take the deer with jacked up coloring and fucked up racks. Trophy hunters piss me off. I would agree with this fully. Explain why trophy hunters piss you off please. Trophy animals are much more fit than others, hence their increased size and physical features, which is why we call them "trophy" animals. They have survived longer than most other individuals in their population, and they represent the apex of genetics in that population. If hunters specifically target these animals, then it removes their genetics from the gene pool, leaving all of the lesser fit individuals left. However, if we leave the "trophy" individuals alone and rather hunt the ones with less-than-favorable genetics, then we will remove the lesser-fit organisms, leave the fit ones, and overall increase the quality of the genetics in the population, which in turn will yield better indiviuals in future generations. ETA: And just in case any of you don't know what fitness is, it is an organisms ability to survive, reproduce, and pass down it's genetics to subsequent generations. Meat hunters never allow trophy animals the chance to mature and spread their genes. Now what?
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