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Posted: 11/28/2014 11:49:20 PM EDT
They're Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 converted into target rifles by Carl Gustafs and Norma Precision. Everything about that sounds awesome.
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How the hell have I never heard of these? |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:47:21 AM EDT
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I have one.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:48:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one. Well, go on....
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:52:57 AM EDT
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I have one. Well, go on.... They're very common here, and are easily sub-MOA. The barrels are stainless steel, and many were built from M94 actions. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:55:09 AM EDT
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction.
Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:04:30 AM EDT
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:06:27 AM EDT
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I approve of this message.
I have One also. 
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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:12:01 AM EDT
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They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Country of origin guns are often like that. Valmet comes to mind. I'm picking-up a Bonehill Martini-Henry MK II .22 conversion this morning. In the UK they are cheap. Though I'm getting it for $150.00 (about the UK price) they run around $500.00+ here in the US because they are hard to come by and also a antique. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:14:38 AM EDT
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Country of origin guns are often like that. Valmet comes to mind. I'm picking-up a Bonehill Martini-Henry MK II .22 conversion this morning. In the UK they are cheap. Though I'm getting it for $150.00 (about the UK price) they run around $500.00+ here in the US because they are hard to come by and also a antique. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Country of origin guns are often like that. Valmet comes to mind. I'm picking-up a Bonehill Martini-Henry MK II .22 conversion this morning. In the UK they are cheap. Though I'm getting it for $150.00 (about the UK price) they run around $500.00+ here in the US because they are hard to come by and also a antique. Yup. Most ARs are around 3K here. 
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Posted: 11/29/2014 9:11:11 AM EDT
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These might also be of interest to you. They are quite common in this country and well regarded. One of the military versions would be nice, but I expect they command a massive premium over the relatively affordable civilian model.
Norway also did calibre conversions on the K98 rifle, keeping them in original military configuration. Really nice shooters. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:00:40 AM EDT
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Always wanted one but my regular mil. surp Swedes do so well I could never see the reason to buy one.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:06:00 AM EDT
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Always wanted one but my regular mil. surp Swedes do so well I could never see the reason to buy one. This. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:16:17 AM EDT
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I would love in of those.
I love an iron sighted rifle |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:57:12 PM EDT
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They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Can I buy some... Uhh... Machine parts?
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:18:25 PM EDT
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They're very common here, and are easily sub-MOA. The barrels are stainless steel, and many were built from M94 actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have one. Well, go on.... They're very common here, and are easily sub-MOA. The barrels are stainless steel, and many were built from M94 actions. Would you happen to have a target from one of your shoots? I love the caliber and if it's as good as you say, I might put the feelers out for one in the coming year... |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:26:57 PM EDT
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Would you happen to have a target from one of your shoots? I love the caliber and if it's as good as you say, I might put the feelers out for one in the coming year... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have one. Well, go on.... They're very common here, and are easily sub-MOA. The barrels are stainless steel, and many were built from M94 actions. Would you happen to have a target from one of your shoots? I love the caliber and if it's as good as you say, I might put the feelers out for one in the coming year... I don't have any pictures, but I can keep all shots within a 12cm circle a 300m. I mostly use it for hunting though. It's an excellent deer gun. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:32:40 PM EDT
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They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Speaking of Scandinavian target shooting, what do those people who use Norwegian Krags for the Stang and field speed shooting competitions use to reload quickly? Looks like a charger of some sort but I can never get a clear view when watching those competitions. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:33:31 PM EDT
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wtf thats cool. I want one.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:35:32 PM EDT
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Speaking of Scandinavian target shooting, what do those people who use Norwegian Krags for the Stand and field speed shooting competitions use to reload quickly? Looks like a charger of some sort but I can never get a clear view when watching those competitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Speaking of Scandinavian target shooting, what do those people who use Norwegian Krags for the Stand and field speed shooting competitions use to reload quickly? Looks like a charger of some sort but I can never get a clear view when watching those competitions. I don't know. Krags are generally used in Norway, we almost never see them here. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:40:39 PM EDT
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Been looking for a good target .22. Fell in love with an older Kimber, but they are high dollar too. Ended up getting a Savage Mk II FVT.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 4:51:57 PM EDT
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Been looking for a good target .22. Fell in love with an older Kimber, but they are high dollar too. Ended up getting a Savage Mk II FVT. Buy a Kimber from the CMP |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 5:35:53 PM EDT
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I have the Danish version built on a German K98 receiver. Tack driver.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 5:46:32 PM EDT
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I don't have any pictures, but I can keep all shots within a 12cm circle a 300m. I mostly use it for hunting though. It's an excellent deer gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have one. Well, go on.... They're very common here, and are easily sub-MOA. The barrels are stainless steel, and many were built from M94 actions. Would you happen to have a target from one of your shoots? I love the caliber and if it's as good as you say, I might put the feelers out for one in the coming year... I don't have any pictures, but I can keep all shots within a 12cm circle a 300m. I mostly use it for hunting though. It's an excellent deer gun. I will use either my Swedish M-38 short rifle or the Norwegian M-1912 Krag for hunting. 6.5x55 is a good round for white tails around here. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Been looking for a good target .22. Fell in love with an older Kimber, but they are high dollar too. Ended up getting a Savage Mk II FVT. This isn't the rimfire thread you're looking for. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:31:55 PM EDT
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This isn't the rimfire thread you're looking for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been looking for a good target .22. Fell in love with an older Kimber, but they are high dollar too. Ended up getting a Savage Mk II FVT. This isn't the rimfire thread you're looking for. They made .22LR versions as well. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 7:34:36 PM EDT
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You see lots of these wonderful rifles here. My friend, Clint has one and it shoots very tight groups. The Swedes will regret letting these go. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:43:54 PM EDT
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Today, I managed to get my hands on this thing just long enough to put a box of ammo through it-
 
I'm guessing this is a M1896 long rifle. I'm pretty impressed, even before taking into consideration that this is a 109 year old milsurp. The action was pretty smooth, and the trigger was good. I suppose the sights weren't my favorite, and I found it odd that the lowest distance marking is 300m, but they're still effective. Shooting conditions were very informal and less than ideal. I was shooting from a picnic table, and my target was a campaign sign. I was aiming at letters; I didn't have targets to attach to it. It was cold and gusty, and the sign was blowing a bit. I still managed to shoot holes touching and near touching groups. I don't know what kind of velocity I was getting from the 139gr PPU, but the recoil was very pleasant. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:50:17 PM EDT
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I want one.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:53:10 PM EDT
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I want one. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:56:30 PM EDT
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Ten years ago Sarco had a bunch of those rifles for sale.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:58:47 PM EDT
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I don't know. Krags are generally used in Norway, we almost never see them here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Speaking of Scandinavian target shooting, what do those people who use Norwegian Krags for the Stand and field speed shooting competitions use to reload quickly? Looks like a charger of some sort but I can never get a clear view when watching those competitions. I don't know. Krags are generally used in Norway, we almost never see them here. You are not into of Norway? 
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Most ARs are around 3K here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Country of origin guns are often like that. Valmet comes to mind. I'm picking-up a Bonehill Martini-Henry MK II .22 conversion this morning. In the UK they are cheap. Though I'm getting it for $150.00 (about the UK price) they run around $500.00+ here in the US because they are hard to come by and also a antique. Yup. Most ARs are around 3K here. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:16:24 PM EDT
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Speaking of Scandinavian target shooting, what do those people who use Norwegian Krags for the Stand and field speed shooting competitions use to reload quickly? Looks like a charger of some sort but I can never get a clear view when watching those competitions. I don't know. Krags are generally used in Norway, we almost never see them here. You are not into of Norway? Norway is the last Soviet state. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:24:13 PM EDT
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Don't want to hijak the thread to much. But I always wondered what y'all's carry, possession, firearms law Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like they are selling for around $700.00 at auction. Sounds like a lot but if you try to buy just the sights to upgrade a mil-surp it will cost near half that. They're usually around 200-300$ here. The target shooting crowd has mostly replaced them with the Sauer 200 STR, so there's plenty of CG-63 and CG-80 floating around. Country of origin guns are often like that. Valmet comes to mind. I'm picking-up a Bonehill Martini-Henry MK II .22 conversion this morning. In the UK they are cheap. Though I'm getting it for $150.00 (about the UK price) they run around $500.00+ here in the US because they are hard to come by and also a antique. Yup. Most ARs are around 3K here. Carry is may-issue, and almost non-existent. You can own virtually anything, but you have to give a "valid reason" for it. These reasons include hunting, target shooting, collecting, and memorabilia. Licences for full auto and handguns have to be renewed every five years. Firearms have to be stored in a approved safe. Since you have to give a reason for why you need a gun, it gets progressively more difficult the more guns you already have. Suppressors can be owned for some hunting rifles, but not all. Scary looking guns are banned for hunting, but sometimes they slip through anyway. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:24:29 PM EDT
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Ten years ago Sarco had a bunch of those rifles for sale. How do you like yours? |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:36:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:42:10 PM EDT
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Norway is the last Soviet state. Our former Minister of Commerce was caught on tape saying that, and the Norwegians were really butthurt about it. It's true though. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Today, I managed to get my hands on this thing just long enough to put a box of ammo through it- http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/Gun%20Stuff/1905SwedeMauser_zps56bf7b71.jpghttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/Gun%20Stuff/1905SwedeMausertop_zps0053873e.jpg I'm guessing this is a M1896 long rifle. I'm pretty impressed, even before taking into consideration that this is a 109 year old milsurp. The action was pretty smooth, and the trigger was good. I suppose the sights weren't my favorite, and I found it odd that the lowest distance marking is 300m, but they're still effective. Shooting conditions were very informal and less than ideal. I was shooting from a picnic table, and my target was a campaign sign. I was aiming at letters; I didn't have targets to attach to it. It was cold and gusty, and the sign was blowing a bit. I still managed to shoot holes touching and near touching groups. I don't know what kind of velocity I was getting from the 139gr PPU, but the recoil was very pleasant. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:54:34 PM EDT
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I regret selling my M96 infantry rifle with SA stamp. A moment of weakness, forgive me for I have sinned
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:10:35 PM EDT
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Well screw it. This thread is already mostly derailed so..... I know it is not a target rifle but it is a CG Swede.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 1:59:09 PM EDT
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Well screw it. This thread is already mostly derailed so..... I know it is not a target rifle but it is a CG Swede.
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd484/ericdowneast/IMG_1449_zps5c028254.jpg Carbine? |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:06:25 PM EDT
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For $200-300 I would be hot to get one. But for $700 there are other rifles I would consider first.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:14:27 PM EDT
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Been looking for a good target .22. Fell in love with an older Kimber, but they are high dollar too. Ended up getting a Savage Mk II FVT. Buy a Kimber from the CMP They're out. At least they don't list them on the CMP site anymore. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:21:11 PM EDT
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I had one. Very attractive gun. Paid $800 OTD at a local shop, came with a shitload of brass and two very nice slings, along with a few other extras.
I sold it for the same not long after. Nice gun with very light recoil and seemed extremely accurate, but it just really wasn't my thing, and at the time finding 6.5 projectiles was like pulling teeth. There are apparently a lot of "fakes" floating around in the US of them. The normal "tell" for that seems to be a stepped barrel under the handguard instead of the heavier cg63 profile. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:29:05 PM EDT
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For $200-300 I would be hot to get one. But for $700 there are other rifles I would consider first. LOL. $200-300 doesn't usually get you a standard Swede any more, much less one of these. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 4:25:24 PM EDT
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I had one. Very attractive gun. Paid $800 OTD at a local shop, came with a shitload of brass and two very nice slings, along with a few other extras. I sold it for the same not long after. Nice gun with very light recoil and seemed extremely accurate, but it just really wasn't my thing, and at the time finding 6.5 projectiles was like pulling teeth. There are apparently a lot of "fakes" floating around in the US of them. The normal "tell" for that seems to be a stepped barrel under the handguard instead of the heavier cg63 profile. Anything more obvious externally? |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 4:34:16 PM EDT
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I had one. Very attractive gun. Paid $800 OTD at a local shop, came with a shitload of brass and two very nice slings, along with a few other extras. I sold it for the same not long after. Nice gun with very light recoil and seemed extremely accurate, but it just really wasn't my thing, and at the time finding 6.5 projectiles was like pulling teeth. There are apparently a lot of "fakes" floating around in the US of them. The normal "tell" for that seems to be a stepped barrel under the handguard instead of the heavier cg63 profile. Anything more obvious externally? There's not a lot of documentation but there are some helpful fellows here and on the C&R boards. The big problem I gathered with CG63s is that there are typical ones- your normal Carl Gustav reworks- and all manner of others, and even some modified by smaller companies and smiths, and so on. Mine for instance was on a husqvarna receiver, which was unusual but not incorrect, and some of them lack the rune on the receiver, which is also unusual but not incorrect, and some of them have one sort of sight and some the other and so on. There isn't a "correct" sight of course but I suppose somebody might try and throw some random diopters on a gussied up normal one anyway... mine were Soderin and I've also seen Elit, and I know there are other sights as well that are somewhat common on them. I was cautioned by several sources when I started looking into CG63s and they relayed hearing of standard swede mausers just tossed into CG63 wood and sold as such. It's pretty obvious to tell if you take the furniture off, of course- a big difference in a 63 barrel and a normal one. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 6:14:52 PM EDT
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I did some searching, and I found myself reading a couple of Gunboards threads written by an apparently knowledgeable Swede. His English is a bit tough to read, but there's a lot of info.
Some info on the 63: The targetshooting-rifle Carl Gustaf 62 is a modernized version of Mauser-rifle m/96. The system of the receiver and the firing mechanism has been kept, while the barrel and stock have been changed.
The change of the barrel consist mainly of an alterated external dimension, which has been increased from a diameter of 17,5 mm to 19,0 mm as well as an alteration of twist lead from 200 to 220 mm. The stock, in which the barrel lies free, has been shaped in an modern way with a cheek-rest, a suitable curved pistol grip with a filling for the right hand, knurled cutting on both pistol-grip and fore-end and also provided with a hand-guard. The rest in the stock for recoil projection has been strengthened by a steel insertion and a through bolt. The only alteration to the Mauser-system are knurled underside of the trigger-guard, grooved trigger and all parts of the bolt black oxidized. The rear sight has been taken away and is assumed to be replaced by some type of diopter e.g. the Elit-diopter, the Söderin-diopter et.c. A shortened striking length has not been introduced as the saving of time obstained (abt. 2/1000 sec.) does not outweight the loss of the possibility to adjust the weight of trigger pull of a worn rifle to 1,7+-0,2kg., (the risk of a misfire requires an increased striking power at a shortened striking length). Data: Weight of rifle without sling and unloaded 4,3 kg Length of rifle (=G m/96) 1260 mm Length of barrel (= G m/96) 739 mm Lead of twist 220 mm Diameter beetwen the lands 6,51 mm Diameter between the grooves 6,73 mm Width of the lands 3,2 mm Weight of trigger pull (pressure point) 1,7+-0,2 kg Bolt and its parts black oxidized, straight bolt handle Trigger grooved Knurled underside of trigger guard Butt with cheek rest Pistol grip with filling for right hand Butt plate of bakelite For those who don't mind some reading- CG-63 thread: LINK CG-80 thread: LINK |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:08:19 PM EDT
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Those have an 8.6" twist? How interesting...
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Posted: 12/2/2014 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/2/2014 1:29:18 AM EDT
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Those have an 8.6" twist? How interesting... What does that twist rate mean for this caliber? Years ahead of it's time? The Krieger 5R blank I used in my 6.5x55 rifle is 8.5" twist. |
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