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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:42:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:55:45 AM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Every M9 was made in the USA. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:55:49 AM EDT
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It's going to be a manual safety and decock I can imagine army heads exploding with something like a cocked and locked 1911 now adays ...omgggdathammerisback!!!!! No way a glock for ground troops... No way. Omgeeeerd no safety ! I'm a real big fan of the p8 and I think it would be an excellent sidearm for the us army , already got us troops that are shooting it http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2011/01/13/96576/size0-army.mil-96576-2011-01-14-070114.jpg Epic camouflage win next to an epic fail. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:26:21 AM EDT
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This partnership combines Smith and Wesson's mediocre pistols and General Dynamics retired generals and former congressman, combining lobbyist and engineer... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2014/11/25/GenDyn-Smith-Wesson-team-to-supply-new-pistol-to-Army/6881416941593/ excerpt - ST. PETERSBURG, Fla., Nov. 25 (UPI) -- General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems and Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. have joined forces in pursuit of a contract to supply a new 9mm handgun to the U.S. Army. The firearm, for the Army's Modular Handgun System solicitation, will be based on Smith & Wesson's M&P polymer pistol platform, which features a reinforced polymer chassis and ambidextrous controls and which is carried by law enforcement personnel around the world. "This partnership combines General Dynamics' proven legacy in manufacturing military armaments with Smith & Wesson's extensive experience in designing and manufacturing firearms for commercial applications," This partnership combines Smith and Wesson's mediocre pistols and General Dynamics retired generals and former congressman, combining lobbyist and engineer... Must be a glock fan boy. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:40:04 AM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Every M9 was made in the USA. As are all the belt feds last I knew. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:53:49 AM EDT
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As are all the belt feds last I knew. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Every M9 was made in the USA. As are all the belt feds last I knew. Mmhm |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:13:00 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Every M9 was made in the USA. untrue. the guns we were issued in 87 were italian. after the slide failures, we installed the repair kits on hundreds of them, all of the first issue were made in Italy. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:13:44 PM EDT
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Just buy Glocks like everyone else.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:15:38 PM EDT
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!!
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:17:04 PM EDT
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:18:05 PM EDT
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:19:32 PM EDT
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Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! It would be glorious. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:19:56 PM EDT
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! Naw man, they'll go with 32acp so that the women can handle the recoil betterererererer . 
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:24:19 PM EDT
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XD45 is always the answer  The army does like nylon holsters... |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:25:04 PM EDT
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why reinvent the wheel? just buy the Glock 17 or 19 This. Worked for the Brits. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:29:02 PM EDT
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XD45 is always the answer LOL. No. 
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:30:13 PM EDT
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lol Also, Springfield's handgun is not a US made gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Like cars, most foreign pistols are better than American ones. Sig, CZ, HK, Walther > S&W, Springfield, Ruger lol Also, Springfield's handgun is not a US made gun. Hell Springfields handgun is not even made by Springfield. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:37:22 PM EDT
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! It would be glorious. 9X25 Dillon would be a new standard for worthless over penetration in Ball ammo. If you're going to go to a new military cartridge, 22TCM would be the one. This is because fragmentation is allowed and HPs aren't. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:40:18 PM EDT
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9X25 Dillon would be a new standard for worthless over penetration in Ball ammo. If you're going to go to a new military cartridge, 22TCM would be the one. This is because fragmentation is allowed and HPs aren't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! It would be glorious. 9X25 Dillon would be a new standard for worthless over penetration in Ball ammo. If you're going to go to a new military cartridge, 22TCM would be the one. This is because fragmentation is allowed and HPs aren't. No, fuck the Hague Convention. Hollow points for ragheads, and 9mm AP for Russians. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:50:06 PM EDT
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This. Worked for the Brits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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why reinvent the wheel? just buy the Glock 17 or 19 This. Worked for the Brits. Who carry them in condition 3 IIRC... |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:00:28 PM EDT
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They phased out the best handgun of the last hundred years the 1911, it worked then and still works, 45 ball is still better than 9mm ball, just like the adoption of the m16 in the 60s the Beretta was adopted because somebody at Beretta greased some palms.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: XD45 is always the answer The military could use more GRIP ZONE!!1! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:16:44 PM EDT
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Who carry them in condition 3 IIRC... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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why reinvent the wheel? just buy the Glock 17 or 19 This. Worked for the Brits. Who carry them in condition 3 IIRC... That's worse than carrying a DA/SA with a safety, at least I can draw and fire an M9 with one hand. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:18:40 PM EDT
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I just hope they go DAO with no safety.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:22:58 PM EDT
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They still be hatin' that S&W lost the last time around, despite Congressional meddling.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:29:52 PM EDT
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"Hey, let's spend $230 million to procure another 9x19 sidearm which is >< much better than the M9."
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:30:20 PM EDT
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No, fuck the Hague Convention. Hollow points for ragheads, and 9mm AP for Russians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9X25 Dillon would be a new standard for worthless over penetration in Ball ammo. If you're going to go to a new military cartridge, 22TCM would be the one. This is because fragmentation is allowed and HPs aren't. No, fuck the Hague Convention. Hollow points for ragheads, and 9mm AP for Russians. I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:32:34 PM EDT
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I just hope they go DAO with no safety. One of the variations of hammer fired Light DAO would be ideal. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:33:16 PM EDT
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American procurement system: millions and millions spent just figuring out what 9mm pistol to buy. Will probably overpay per-pistol once that is finished, if ever.
Brit procurement system: Poppycock, guv'nah! Our Brownings are worn out! KRIKEY! Bob's your uncle, go buy a bunch of Glock 17s. Righty-ho, m'lord! Sigh. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:38:24 PM EDT
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Everyone realizes how insignificant sidearms are in military use, correct? At least, in the case of 9mm or any other straight-walled pistol cartridge.
Once you go bottle-necked, things change quickly, and you now have a cartridge for PDW use that has significant effective range. That is the direction we should be looking. The performance capabilities of the 7.62x25 should be a baseline, from which to build. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:52:14 PM EDT
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Everyone realizes how insignificant sidearms are in military use, correct? At least, in the case of 9mm or any other straight-walled pistol cartridge. Once you go bottle-necked, things change quickly, and you now have a cartridge for PDW use that has significant effective range. That is the direction we should be looking. The performance capabilities of the 7.62x25 should be a baseline, from which to build. But I use my pistol in COD and BF all the time, they're realistic combat simulators. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:53:07 PM EDT
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I could go for a FNX-9 Tactical.
The entrants from the JCP program that turned up on the non-mil market were pretty awesome. I like my FNX-45 Tac a lot.
Didn't I just read an article somewhere that the Army ordered another hundred thousand M9s though? This will just be another JCP, we'll see some pretty cool 9mm designs and the Army will still be buying M9s until small handheld projected energy weapons become feasible. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone realizes how insignificant sidearms are in military use, correct? At least, in the case of 9mm or any other straight-walled pistol cartridge. Once you go bottle-necked, things change quickly, and you now have a cartridge for PDW use that has significant effective range. That is the direction we should be looking. The performance capabilities of the 7.62x25 should be a baseline, from which to build. Then again, I know three people who smoked fools with pistols, all three hajji's were dead as door nails so I guess they work. PDW's are stupid for replacing a pistol, if you need a PDW, get a rifle. If you're so highspeed that a PDW is more effective... then your training is probably light years ahead of some one who's only T/O weapon is a handgun. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:03:26 PM EDT
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Why not issue a standard, off the shelf M&P?
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:06:16 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Eh, if it's better who cares? You aren't doing anyone any favors if you choose an inferior weapon based only on the fact that it was made in the US. I'd much rather have a Glock or Sig over a Smith. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:27:35 PM EDT
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I would hope so... Then again, it's common for people who have invested in DA/SA to defend it to the death so maybe that's too much to ask for. 
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snip No disagreement there. The real question is if the can finally get away from the antique DA/SA Decocker mode of fire. Then again, it's common for people who have invested in DA/SA to defend it to the death so maybe that's too much to ask for.
A DA/SA pistol saved Officer Wilson from St. Dindu.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:34:30 PM EDT
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I just hope they go DAO with no safety. Everybody gets a 92D to replace their M9. Upgrading the old M9's to a "D" would be easy,its a slide change, and the removal of the single action sear, even easier if they decided to go with the "DS" variant, which is a DAO 92FS, (Double action only, with the safety on the slide), just pull the single action sear, and bam, its DAO, with a safety. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:46:06 PM EDT
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A DA/SA pistol saved Officer Wilson from St. Dindu. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip No disagreement there. The real question is if the can finally get away from the antique DA/SA Decocker mode of fire. Then again, it's common for people who have invested in DA/SA to defend it to the death so maybe that's too much to ask for.
A DA/SA pistol saved Officer Wilson from St. Dindu. If the slide was out of battery, as has been theorized, no it didn't. He would have had the same result with a striker gun too. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:47:16 PM EDT
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This is idiotic. Its clear that the F-35 can be modified to fufill this mission. It will require only a slight redesign and a small increase in funding.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:55:02 PM EDT
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It would be glorious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! It would be glorious. Yeah, until range qual day 
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:59:58 PM EDT
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Beretta is fine How about developing expandable full metal jacket for fucks sake ... Efmj is proven Fuck EFMJ!!!! We fire HEDP 30mm and Hellfire missiles at AK toting goat fuckers and post the videos on youtube! I see no fucking reason why a helicopter pilot should have exploding bullets while a grunt makes do with FMJ! Lets develop some explosive 5.56 and 9x19, remind the world that war is hell, and get some real work done! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:01:41 PM EDT
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This is idiotic. Its clear that the F-35 can be modified to fufill this mission. It will require only a slight redesign and a small increase in funding. At first I thought you were in the wrong thread.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:04:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, until range qual day Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God damn it...........earth to military........."GO WITH A 10MM"!!!!! 9x25 Dillon /end thread Fuck.......I could live with that!!!! It would be glorious. Yeah, until range qual day Make it full auto too, you won't even have to aim. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:06:15 PM EDT
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Fuck EFMJ!!!! We fire HEDP 30mm and Hellfire missiles at AK toting goat fuckers and post the videos on youtube! I see no fucking reason why a helicopter pilot should have exploding bullets while a grunt makes do with FMJ! Lets develop some explosive 5.56 and 9x19, remind the world that war is hell, and get some real work done! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beretta is fine How about developing expandable full metal jacket for fucks sake ... Efmj is proven Fuck EFMJ!!!! We fire HEDP 30mm and Hellfire missiles at AK toting goat fuckers and post the videos on youtube! I see no fucking reason why a helicopter pilot should have exploding bullets while a grunt makes do with FMJ! Lets develop some explosive 5.56 and 9x19, remind the world that war is hell, and get some real work done! You can't make a viable explosive bullet that small, you get more energy just shooting slugs. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:10:28 PM EDT
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Just set up the weapons trial in Maui for 2 weeks and flip a coin to determine the winner. People are going to hate you no matter what you do, so you might as well have a good time doing it.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:10:29 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Better shitcan that M240, and M249 then. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:13:02 PM EDT
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You Glock fanbois need to GTFO the military is never going to buy you with no MANUAL SAFETY. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229 G19, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. You Glock fanbois need to GTFO the military is never going to buy you with no MANUAL SAFETY. All the people who use an M11 didn't get that memo. Quoted:
They phased out the best handgun of the last hundred years the 1911, it worked then and still works, 45 ball is still better than 9mm ball, just like the adoption of the m16 in the 60s the Beretta was adopted because somebody at Beretta greased some palms. The 1911 is a poor handgun for mass issue. Regardless of how much I love it. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:16:07 PM EDT
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Apparently neither did the selection committee when they down selected both the P226 and the 92fs All the people who use an M11 didn't get that memo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could quit dickin' around, and buy a bunch of M11/ P229 G19, Which are already NSN numbered, in production, and the manuals and and armory infrastructure is already in place. You Glock fanbois need to GTFO the military is never going to buy you with no MANUAL SAFETY. Apparently neither did the selection committee when they down selected both the P226 and the 92fs All the people who use an M11 didn't get that memo. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:54:46 PM EDT
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A DA/SA pistol saved Officer Wilson from St. Dindu. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip No disagreement there. The real question is if the can finally get away from the antique DA/SA Decocker mode of fire. Then again, it's common for people who have invested in DA/SA to defend it to the death so maybe that's too much to ask for.
A DA/SA pistol saved Officer Wilson from St. Dindu. A DOA pistol would have had the same result and shooting scores are usually higher for DAO.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:02:07 PM EDT
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I truly hope that they adopt an American brand this time. Our troops should not have foreign rifles or pistols. Every M9 was made in the USA. Sorta like saying Honda is made in Ohio. |
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