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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:54:48 PM EDT
Found this link from the Messerschmidt thred. Really pretty interesting, how they dealt with things after being just about bombed into the stone age. We really did fuck them up; a guy I know told me they were still repairing war damage on up into the '80s, and I believe it.
 Sad deal, especially for the women, kids, and old people.  But well, they did start that war. 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:56:26 PM EDT
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I don't feel bad at all.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:56:53 PM EDT
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London called. They said, "Cry me a river."
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:57:20 PM EDT
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Hard to feel bad for them.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:58:07 PM EDT
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London called. They said, "Cry me a river."  Yea, pretty much... 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Fuck em.
A few months later in the deal we woulda nuked them. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:59:26 PM EDT
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To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:00:55 PM EDT
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And now they're the industrial powerhouse of Europe, once again. Sympathy? No. They don't need it, it's useless. Germans are a pretty resilient, resourceful bunch.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:02:13 PM EDT
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I was in Luxembourg when the Brits unveiled a statute honoring Bomber Harris. The Germans were not amused.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:02:30 PM EDT
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To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too. Yes they are! They are pretty much the envy of Europe. How could the Greeks have become such assclowns? Really, how could any country be so stupid as to get itself trillions and trillions of dollars into debt? Good thing we're not like that... 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:03:47 PM EDT
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Hitler fucked 'em over. He threw a tantrum and left them to the wolves when he didn't get the victory he wanted.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:04:01 PM EDT
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I grew up near Coventry in the 60s/70s. Zero fucks given, I remember streets with gaps in the where houses had been bombed out. They got everything they deserved.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:05:34 PM EDT
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I have a Cuckoo clock that my grandfather bought there in 1953.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:05:52 PM EDT
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To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too. And Sheisse porn and tentacle porn. Their choice of porn says we did the right thing to bomb them. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:07:13 PM EDT
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Hitler fucked 'em over. He threw a tantrum and left them to the wolves when he didn't get the victory he wanted. They fucked themselves over. While Hitler never won a majority in an election (he did win a plurality), he enjoyed widespread support until the war started to go badly for them. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:07:13 PM EDT
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I was in Luxembourg when the Brits unveiled a statute honoring Bomber Harris. The Germans were not amused. Had to Wiki that. Yea, prolly not their fave guy. I work for a German company now, and one of the guys I know was having some work-related debate with a Kraut, and he told him, "You know, that kind of thinking is why you lost that war." Needless to say, the German guy didn't find it very funny. 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:17:14 PM EDT
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A number of books out there about post war Germany. Not a good time to be a German especially '45-50. Kind of surreal to think about how quickly they bounced back. West Germany that is. East was still living the basics well into the 80s.
ETA, A lot of you have never left moms basement. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:17:42 PM EDT
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I was a college exchange student in Germany, 1987. History "stamtisch" in the small town of Straubing, I commented that I thought Germany should, and would be reunited sometime in my lifetime. I was branded an ignorant foreigner who couldn't understand the necessity of the separation, and was told that such talk could be considered "neo-nazi". Well, guess I was right, but that guilt complex runs deep.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:17:42 PM EDT
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Total war... Total victory. This is why we can't beat the commies or Muslims.... We forgot how to wage a real war.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:20:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:27:56 PM EDT
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The Marshall Plan. Without it most of Europe would still be in the stone age.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:28:01 PM EDT
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Found this link from the Messerschmidt thred. Really pretty interesting, how they dealt with things after being just about bombed into the stone age. We really did fuck them up; a guy I know told me they were still repairing war damage on up into the '80s, and I believe it. Sad deal, especially for the women, kids, and old people. But well, they did start that war. Actually the only thing they did wrong was losing. If they had won, it would have been puppies and unicorns for them. It pays to win. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:28:33 PM EDT
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They fucked themselves over. While Hitler never won a majority in an election (he did win a plurality), he enjoyed widespread support until the war started to go badly for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitler fucked 'em over. He threw a tantrum and left them to the wolves when he didn't get the victory he wanted. They fucked themselves over. While Hitler never won a majority in an election (he did win a plurality), he enjoyed widespread support until the war started to go badly for them. Yep, just like the United States deserves whatever it gets because of Obama 
I always laugh at these threads about Germany and Japan how innocent women and children deserve to die because of their leaders. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:32:52 PM EDT
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Total war... Total victory. This is why we can't beat the commies or Muslims.... We forgot how no longer have the cajones to wage a real war. FIFY, unfortunately...
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:33:15 PM EDT
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:34:04 PM EDT
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An now they are being overrun by Turks and Muslims from other nations who want to establish Sharia.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:34:13 PM EDT
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Actually the only thing they did wrong was losing. If they had won, it would have been puppies and unicorns for them. It pays to win. A. Fukkin. Men. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:34:33 PM EDT
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The Jews don't give a F$%k
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:38:11 PM EDT
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OP, my Ph.D. is in engineering - not history.
BUT, I am also a retired regular U.S. military officer who served many years in NATO. So I have some perspective on Germany. I believe that we, and our allies, figured out in 1946 that Stalin was a very dangerous man and there was real concern about him trying to invade Western Europe. So it became apparent to our government and other allies that building up the destroyed Germany back into a viable ally would help act as a buffer to Stalinist aggression and expansion. The economic stability of Germany would also contribute to a stable Western Europe. Thus, the Marshall Plan came about to rebuild European economies. I found the Germans to be intelligent and hard working and a capable NATO ally. They also treated me, as a U.S. military officer, with respect and courtesy. Please bear in mind that most Germans living today were not even born yet back during World War II. Most Germans today regret World War II just as much as we do. And they suffered a hell of a lot more than we did, in the end, for their mistakes. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:38:30 PM EDT
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Yep, just like the United States deserves whatever it gets because of Obama
I always laugh at these threads about Germany and Japan how innocent women and children deserve to die because of their leaders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitler fucked 'em over. He threw a tantrum and left them to the wolves when he didn't get the victory he wanted. They fucked themselves over. While Hitler never won a majority in an election (he did win a plurality), he enjoyed widespread support until the war started to go badly for them. Yep, just like the United States deserves whatever it gets because of Obama
I always laugh at these threads about Germany and Japan how innocent women and children deserve to die because of their leaders. 51% of our FSA voted "Turd", so the other 49% gotta suffer. We as a people really are getting what we deserve. Idiocracy, anyone? Way of the world, man.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:38:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marshall Plan. Without it most of Europe would still be in the stone age. And our hugely expensive defense umbrella that let them(and the rest of the free world) spend token amounts on their militaries. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:40:03 PM EDT
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To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too. Western Europe recovered with about 13 billion dollars in aid from the US. That amount would be equal to approximately 130 billion today. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marshall Plan. Without it most of Europe would still be in the stone age. Yup - game over. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:42:02 PM EDT
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Found this link from the Messerschmidt thred. Really pretty interesting, how they dealt with things after being just about bombed into the stone age. We really did fuck them up; a guy I know told me they were still repairing war damage on up into the '80s, and I believe it. Sad deal, especially for the women, kids, and old people. But well, they did start that war. There was still plenty of war damage around Leipzig when I was there in 2007. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:44:05 PM EDT
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I believe that we, and our allies, figured out in 1946 that Stalin was a very dangerous man and there was real concern about him trying to invade Western Europe. So it became apparent to our government and other allies that building up the destroyed Germany back into a viable ally would help act as a buffer to Stalinist aggression and expansion. The economic stability of Germany would also contribute to a stable Western Europe. Thus, the Marshall Plan came about to rebuild European economies. Yup, we helped them not only b/c we are the good guys, but also b/c it served our craven, selfish purposes. I love it when a plan comes together.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:44:49 PM EDT
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Only the German infrastructure was destroyed. Germans skills and work ethic survived.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:45:51 PM EDT
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My dad had to stay in Europe after the war, hauling German soldiers back to Germany.
He said he never saw a more demoralized group. When the war ended they were simply dumped/ abandonded where ever they were. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:46:46 PM EDT
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I was a college exchange student in Germany, 1987. History "stamtisch" in the small town of Straubing, I commented that I thought Germany should, and would be reunited sometime in my lifetime. I was branded an ignorant foreigner who couldn't understand the necessity of the separation, and was told that such talk could be considered "neo-nazi". Well, guess I was right, but that guilt complex runs deep. Most likely a bunch of Honecker loving RAF fanboys. Plenty of students in Germany love to swallow every piece of Marxism. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:46:52 PM EDT
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Hard to feel bad for them. But yet people did for the japs?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:47:00 PM EDT
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When I was there in the 90's there were some buildings that still had bomb damage. But, yeah, sometimes Karma is a b*tch.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:47:56 PM EDT
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years. They did? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:55:21 PM EDT
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years. They did? Yes and no. The First World War kicking off was a convoluted clusterfuck but I've heard it argued successfully that that war would not have escalated like it did if not for Germany's "diplomacy" leading up to it. The way they recovered for both wars was impressive as hell though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:00:51 PM EDT
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They are no longer a defeated people.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:01:40 PM EDT
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Yes and no. The First World War kicking off was a convoluted clusterfuck but I've heard it argued successfully that that war would not have escalated like it did if not for Germany's "diplomacy" leading up to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years. They did? Yes and no. The First World War kicking off was a convoluted clusterfuck but I've heard it argued successfully that that war would not have escalated like it did if not for Germany's "diplomacy" leading up to it. Everyone was hot for war. The French had an extremely bad itch to go get revenge for Sedan. The Germans were eager to give it a try. And the Austrians threw the first stone when they attached Serbia. In the End, no, the Germans did NOT start it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:04:05 PM EDT
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Everyone was hot for war. The French had an extremely bad itch to go get revenge for Sedan. The Germans were eager to give it a try. And the Austrians threw the first stone when they attached Serbia. In the End, no, the Germans did NOT start it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years. They did? Yes and no. The First World War kicking off was a convoluted clusterfuck but I've heard it argued successfully that that war would not have escalated like it did if not for Germany's "diplomacy" leading up to it. Everyone was hot for war. The French had an extremely bad itch to go get revenge for Sedan. The Germans were eager to give it a try. And the Austrians threw the first stone when they attached Serbia. In the End, no, the Germans did NOT start it. Guess it depends on what books ya read. I can agree to disagree on a lot of stuff from WW1. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:24:39 PM EDT
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I don't think anyone could make an intelligent argument that Germany "started" WW1. I would argue Russia, Ausro-Hungary, and Great Britain were all more guilty.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't feel bad at all. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:32:42 PM EDT
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To their credit they did recover remarkably well, becoming one of the most productive and developed nations in the world. Same for Japan too. courtesy of the american taxpayer and benevolent american occupation. that shit didn't just happen. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 7:34:08 PM EDT
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I don't think anyone could make an intelligent argument that Germany "started" WW1. I would argue Russia, Ausro-Hungary, and Great Britain were all more guilty. no no and no. Germany made what was a small conflict between Austria-Hungary/Serbia/Russia into a world war. Germany invaded France and Belgium. Neither of whom were party to the conflict. Germany wanted a war and fucking got it. the only one not making an intelligent argument is you. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:11:27 PM EDT
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Many people weren't too sympathetic to the Germans after they started 2 wars in 25 years. No sympathy for the NAZIs, but that isn't anything that the Britts, Frenchies, and the rest of Europe hadn't been doing for the previous 400 years. |
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