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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:07:39 PM EDT

If you had no other choice which would you choose? Is birshot bad enough that you would rather have a .22?

I would go with a 10/22 with a few 25 rd mags loaded with CCI Stingers. poll inbound

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:08:41 PM EDT

[#1]

You Kidding?
I guess if you wanted to blind someone.
You do mean .22 BS?

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:09:43 PM EDT

[#2]

RE-read. Think Old Painless did a test on the shot gun bird shot.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:09:58 PM EDT

[#3]

Are you talking 12 gauge birdshot?

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:10:06 PM EDT

[#4]

Centerfire vs rimfire?

What size birdshot? Geese are birds. I'll take the reliability of centerfire if my life depended on it.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:12:19 PM EDT

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Turkey are birds, 3-1/2" 2+ ounces of #4 will fuck your shit up, especially from a proper turkey gun at close range. Quit thinking all bird shot is #9.

CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:13:02 PM EDT

[#6]

Any shotgun birdshot before any .22LR.

I don't need any internet tests. I have seen people shot at close range with shotgun birdshot.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:13:17 PM EDT

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this?

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:13:35 PM EDT

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Those of us that address the use of birdshot are often mis-quoted to say that it is "useless" for defense. That is hogwash.

Buckshot is "better", but birdshot, especially in the larger sizes can be effective at close to medium in-the-home distances.

More here: Shotgun Ammunition FAQs

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:15:11 PM EDT

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Those of us that address the use of birdshot are often mis-quoted to say that it is "useless" for defense. That is hogwash.

Buckshot is "better", but birdshot, especially in the larger sizes can be effective at close to medium in-the-home distances.

More here: Shotgun Ammunition FAQs

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Thanks, you showed up just in time!

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:20:19 PM EDT

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.22 long rifle will make a .220 dia. hole. 12 gage, #4 magnum will make a hole you can stick your fist through.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:20:36 PM EDT

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I gunned down a weasel once with 22 bird shot(cci) and a 9.5" ruger single six. I shot him 12 times, yes reloaded, all within 60sec. he finally jumped in a canal and I think drowned. I skinned him out and not one of those shot penetrated the hide enough to cause death, a little bruising. He must have had a heart attach.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:31:46 PM EDT

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I like #4 Buck myself. 3 " is a good payload.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:33:12 PM EDT

[#13]

After hitting enough rabbits and ducks under 10 feet and seeing them explode I think I would vote birdshot, big pellets though, none of that #8 nonsense.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:35:14 PM EDT

[#14]

I think birdshot would probably be better....though if I had to choose for myself I think I would go 10/22 with a bx25 magazine...just because I feel very comfortable with that rifle.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:37:03 PM EDT

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Depends on if I can wax slug my bird shot.......and what size shot.??

But probably go with .22 super sonic 40 grain anyway.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:38:57 PM EDT

[#16]

Probably birdshot.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:40:53 PM EDT

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To anyone that hasn't exploded a few birds at close distance, this is pretty good demonstration of just how much energy that group of shot carries those first couple yards.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:51:19 PM EDT

[#18]

Got a knife?
The lost art of "Cut Shells"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:53:26 PM EDT

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Turkey are birds, 3-1/2" 2+ ounces of #4 will fuck your shit up, especially from a proper turkey gun at close range. Quit thinking all bird shot is #9.

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CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:56:20 PM EDT

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I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

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The plus side is that you can carry a life time supply in your shirt pocket.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:59:19 PM EDT

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CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

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Turkey are birds, 3-1/2" 2+ ounces of #4 will fuck your shit up, especially from a proper turkey gun at close range. Quit thinking all bird shot is #9.

CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

Try them out of a Charles Daly ultralight some time.

I thought I detached my retinas.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:00:23 PM EDT

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If you had no other choice which would you choose? Is birshot bad enough that you would rather have a .22?

I would go with a 10/22 with a few 25 rd mags loaded with CCI Stingers. poll inbound

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Depends on the range.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:01:23 PM EDT

[#23]

Neither....

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:04:05 PM EDT

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So you would take a knife or a bat or even fists against your two firearm options?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:14:10 PM EDT

[#25]

.22

No one said I am pumping just one round into the perp

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:24:01 PM EDT

[#26]

.22

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:31:19 PM EDT

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.22 is a very useful round, but I think I would still use birdshot in the #4 or larger for home defense. That would be if I didn't have buckshot, which I do. Hope I never have to find out. I will be happy to go my whole life with just shooting four legged varmints or winged varmints only.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:32:55 PM EDT

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It was definitely the pot needles

, couldn't have been anything else.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:44:52 PM EDT

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CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

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Turkey are birds, 3-1/2" 2+ ounces of #4 will fuck your shit up, especially from a proper turkey gun at close range. Quit thinking all bird shot is #9.

CCI Stingers are lightweight hollow points, they will probably have LESS penetration than 2 ounces of #4 turkey shot.

There was a fucked up murder nearby my house earlier this year, the perp was high on marijuana and killed a good friend of his with depraved indifference, using BIRD SHOT.

I would jump out the window and abandon my family to the tender mercies of MS 13 before I would fire off another 3 1/2" turkey shell

3 1/2 inch turkey shells are hell. Been there, done that. But one of those in someones face or pelvis going to reach a resolution between them and you. Guess who wins.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:47:54 PM EDT

[#30]

Bird shot, at close distance inside your house the shot will still be grouped tight and hit hard.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:55:06 PM EDT

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I must have one of those....

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:00:50 PM EDT

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No matter how tight the group, when shot separates to the point that it is no longer in comlete physical contact, you are dealing with the energy of each individual projectile rather than energy of the 1/2- 1 1/2 ounce of the total load.

The larger the shot, the more energy in each individual projectle after shot separation.

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:01:31 PM EDT

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To anyone that hasn't exploded a few birds at close distance, this is pretty good demonstration of just how much energy that group of shot carries those first couple yards.