Just out of curiosity, what is the price someone would pay being caught with one? Hauled away to the slammer and gun rights taken away on top of some serious fines?

Yes

Somewhere between the death penalty and a parking ticket.

10 years prison.

I'm not sure of the punishment, but I would assume it is likely an "add-on charge" for a bad guy.  But I am talking out of my ass.

I read the post then looked over at OP screen name and laughed. There's a joke there somewhere.

10 years and $250,000 fine.

I find this extremely hard to believe

Up to 10 years and $250,000 on a federal charge

up to 10 years/$10,000, forfeiture of of all firearms in violation, loss of firearm ownership rights. they could also go after you for tax evasion, which is up to 5 years/$250,000

10 years of being Bill Gates' ass slave.
He's got connections.

Most of the people charged federally with an NFA violation get probation as long as they weren't intending on doing anything illegal with the NFA device.

You asked.

i suggest you delete your thread, OP.

I believe this.

Just stick a SIG  brace on it and be done.

Here is a link to an ex FBI agent arrested with an oil can suppressor.

http://www.cbs19.tv/story/22826549/former-tyler-fbi-office-supervisor-awaits-sentencing-on-weapons-charge

"Federal officials could not say when Brody might be sentenced, but did state the former agent could face up to 10 years imprisonment. However, one official said due to Brody’s cooperation, he could receive as little as five years probation."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6904946

This guy planned something bad and still got probation for an sbs

Speakman pleaded guilty to a federal charge of possession of an unregistered sawed-off shotgun. In February, he was accused of amassing a small arsenal of weapons and plotting to kill his wife and mother-in-law before storming The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Jordan River temple.

Another case I found was a felon rapper with illegal machine guns. He still got probation.

Why would I delete my thread? The ATF going to come knocking on my door? Cus they aren't going to find any dirt on me, this is all out of curiosity

Even if you end up getting just probation, I'm assuming you still lose all of your gun rights?

Of course.

In this day and age of Google, you can't figure this out?

 












 
 

Another story.

Back to Gazette Online
Logan businessman gets probation for gun charge

Tuesday July 31, 2001

By Lawrence Messina
STAFF WRITER


A Logan County business owner will not go to prison for converting a rifle into a fully automatic machine gun, a federal judge ruled Monday.

James Robert "Jimmy" Grimmett faced between a year and a half and two years behind bars under federal sentencing rules. But U.S. District Judge Charles H. Haden II departed from those rules after citing various aspects of Grimmett's case.

Grimmett, 37, instead will spend five years on probation, Haden ruled, with the first year of that term on home confinement. The judge also fined him $40,000, in lieu of a prison sentence.

Grimmett admitted in May that he tinkered with the Norinco MAK-90. Defense lawyer Gregory Campbell told Haden that Grimmett had no criminal intent.

"This weapon was converted for recreational purposes," Campbell said. "It was fired at a strip mine for that purpose and that purpose alone."

Campbell called Grimmett "a fine part of his community." He urged the judge to consider Grimmett's trucking company. Though he co-owns it with his brother, Logan County Assessor Rick Grimmett, the outfit would probably fold if Jimmy Grimmett were sent to prison, the lawyer argued.

"[Jimmy] Grimmett is the hands-on man. He's the only person who makes it work," Campbell said. "His brother's virtually never on the job."

Campbell said Grimmett deserved leniency because he immediately cooperated with the federal agents who seized the rifle and an identical weapon in January. Prosecutors dropped a second charge for the other rifle in exchange for Grimmett's guilty plea.

"He is guilty of this charge. There is simply no way around it," Campbell said. "But we do feel that it is an aberration."

Federal sentencing rules create a formula through which judges calculate sentences. Partly because Grimmett's crime involved a firearm, those guidelines called for a sentence of between 18 and 24 months. Pointing to Grimmett's "extraordinary acceptance of responsibility," Haden agreed to grant him leniency.

"This seems to be an unusually harsh guideline sentence, even at the low end," Haden said. "He's been a church-going person who's been vitally important to his community."

A number of people wrote letters to Haden on Grimmett's behalf, and several attended his sentencing hearing in Charleston. Grimmett also spoke briefly during the hearing.

"I'm sorry for what I've done," he said. "I've caused my family, I guess, a lot of embarrassment to me."

Actually the only case I have ever seen of this was just that. An add on charge. The guy was arrested for drug charges, according to the docket they searched his place, found a complete ar15  rifle, and a short barreled upper by itself and called it "Constructive intent to make an illegal weapon".

Basically there's about a 1000 other ways to break the law that get you FARRRRR less significant sentences than fucking with anything NFA related.  It sucks, the ATF is gay, but follow the process and fight the battle a different way so your bhole doesn't get enlarged.

To the ATF agent reading this thread:

I imagine with the ever increasing popularity of the AR platform that there are MANY questionably configurations out there either due to ignorance.

Anyone have a citation on this?

You lose your gun rights, for life.
You can no longer vote, for life.
You are a felon and likely lose any chance of gainful employment in the six+ figure range. (not necessarily though)
You'll likely be bubba's bitch, or get reamed over a pallet of flour.
Up to 10K lighter in the wallet. This does not include lawyers fee's.

There is one plus, some bitchin prison ink.

Pay the two bills!

I look at OPs name and think of what might happen to him in prison

Then i look at yours and figured out a cucumber monkey could likely make him stretchy

In most cases you don't lose your right to vote for life. Several states allow voting from prison, most states fall somewhere between only being able to vote while not in prison or the end of your probation.

Generally an in registered SBR according is going to get you a felony, loss of gun rights for life or at least the foreseeable future. Time in prison of 5 years or if you are lucky just probation and a fine in the $50k-100k range

I remember reading that if a felon has an non-stamped weapon they can only be charged with felon in possession of a firearm.  Since, even trying to register it would be an admission of guilt hence would violate your 5th A.

There's a certain dissonance here on arfcom:

Generally, arfers applaud the low percentage of people who register their so-called 'assault weapons' in ban states.  This usually comes with howls of molon labe and from my cold dead hands.

And then most arfers act revulsed that someone would even think of not complying with some part of the NFA.  This is followed by suggesting the thread topic is so horrid that it should be deleted.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has spotted this inconsistency.  

 

Depends on a shit ton of factors. Can be prosecuted locally or federally. I've seen one case go as low as probation for the SBR, with succesfull completion of probation resulting in it being expunged from the record.

Don't indulge your curiosity. Pay the $200.

Finally someone posts the truth and not something out their ass. If you have a clean record up to that point....probation. This PO confirms.

To be fair, in most of the recent bans passed throughout states, there is no way to pay a tax and get a new banned item.

For example, there is no (legal) way to get an new AR15 with all the features in california today, without a permit the CA DOJ won't issue to regular people.

I'm sure if people in NY,NJ, CA, MA, etc could pay $200 and buy a new AR15 today, they would.

Why would the ATF knock on their own door Mr. Agent man?

Well, I was thinking more of people refusing to register weapons they already have.  

But using your example, you don't ever hear arfers suggesting people should build their own MG's if they can't afford a registered one.  Heck, they would recommend immediate disposal of any such unregistered weapon.

I just hear some people talking so tough about new laws when they are so compliant with similar laws that they have grown up with.  

Ask Randy Weaver what an SBS got him.

 






















 

13ers gonna 13

It seems like a valid question due to the varied answers he received.

A while ago, we had an "ask a guy, who just spent a year and a half in prison for nfa violations anything thread". It was interesting before the thread got shitcanned.

It's not revulsion. I'd love to see the NFA removed from the books.

It's a combination of not wanting the person in question to get charged with a felony, not wanting the site to look bad for supporting a felony, and suspicion that such questions are an attempt to persuade somebody to conspire to commit a felony.

Prepper your anus

Plus 1.

Screams come and take it while wiggin the fuck out over a glock with a forward grip on gun broker.

Bottom line, like the feds on immigration, they don't have the assets to enforce the NFA alone so unless you get caught selling guns to gang members or your meth gets raided, the chances of one getting tagged for an NFA violation are about the same as going to Mars.

Ever notice how the majority of posters in the SBR post threads don't have engravings....  yet you never here about the atf showing up at sombodys home.  Odd...

I vaguely remember that.



Wasn't it a malfunctioning (doubling) Olympic arms AR he was going to sell to someone? It wasn't modified, it was defective if I recall. Makes no difference to them. He got prison time.





 
 
 

A lot of engravings have member's actual names in them, a lot of people don't feel comfortable showing off information like that in pictures on the internet on a gun website.