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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:24:48 PM EDT
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That's not a Nazi belt buckle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's not a Nazi belt buckle. It's an odd thing to make sure is visible in a magazine cover shoot, though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:27:02 PM EDT
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Never see these guys in my neck of the woods (see an occasional dagger or firearm with proofmark, but no booth)
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:31:03 PM EDT
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Today I ventured out of my Moms basement and took her to the gun show. When she asked what kind of stuff would be there I said "well I know there will be Nazi shit and jerky, maybe some guns". But I got to thinking. Why is there always a Nazi booth? Like at every fucking show. Is that their business or do they just have Nazi gear stacked deep? Enlighten me GD The fact that the little nazi memorabilia are in a booth in the corner of the gun show instead of outside on a flagpole and our lack of German language should make you smile. We won! Embrace the fact that real Americans kicked ass came home and spoiled their kids so much they became hippies a generation of pussies. Not intentional of course. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:34:44 PM EDT
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I find the "nazi tables" to be very disconcerting. The ones around here seem to specialize only in nazi bullshit like hitler youth knives, various swastika trash and books about Tiger tanks. If you are dealing in WWII stuff for the sake of building a collection out of novelty and/or historical preservation, it would seem reasonable that you might have gear from all "participants". If the market for WWII stuff was so strong at gunshows, surely there would be tables prominently adorned with the Union Jack selling all manner of only Commonwealth stuff or tables full of only Russian kit. If those tables exist, I've never seen one around here... What I see are basically "shrines" to nazisim built with reproduction swastika flags and SS uniforms. I notice these tables are also the same ones specializing in various other pieces of "folk art" like patently racist salt and pepper shakers or copies of the Turner Diaries... IMO, the "re-enactor" argument is bullshit. The people I hear use this justification to buy nazi trash never seem that interested in impersonating the average Wehrmacht grunt, only nazis. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever met one that could articulate the difference. Owning a swastika flag, or an SS uniform doesn't automatically make you a nazi, any more than owning "murderobelia" makes you a murderer. It does, however, make you a purveyor of human misery. I could only hope that people who own this shit do so in order to prevent people from forgetting one of the darkest times in humanity, as opposed to flagrantly and insensitively reminding people. These same "collectors" and "re-enactors" then like to talk about Stalin's body count or what a dick Mussolini was. That's a fucktarded argument in the first place for any number of reasons, but most importantly, there aren't gangs of Stalin sympathizers perpetuating his ideals. TL;DR- fuck nazis and their paraphernalia. ...and those reenactors who dress up as Confederates? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:36:14 PM EDT
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That's not a Nazi belt buckle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's not a Nazi belt buckle. Death Head emblem predates the Nazis. It was worn by the Hussars during the days of Frederick der Grosse. Even during the Nazi era, that same emblem was worn by the Wehrmacht panzer truppen. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:43:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf the market for WWII stuff was so strong at gunshows, surely there would be tables prominently adorned with the Union Jack selling all manner of only Commonwealth stuff or tables full of only Russian kit. I see some COMBLOC militaria at gun shows--uniforms, furry hats, military insignia, and weapons. Plenty of books on T-34s and AKs, too. I think if you're a commonwealth fan there's plenty of other places to get a Union Jack flag. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:44:45 PM EDT
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Germans had all the cool uniforms and accoutrements.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:50:29 PM EDT
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I've been to a bunch of Houston area gun shows and have never seen a Nazi booth. Am I just missing it?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:57:28 PM EDT
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There is a nice buy-in to your enemies narrative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The same reason Randy Weaver makes the gun show circuit, or at least did. There is a market for Nazi/white supremacist shit at gun shows. It is a unique market. Auto shows and dog shows don't have a strong Nazi/white supremacist presence, neither did the last "outdoors" type product show I went to. Interesting, ain't it? There is a nice buy-in to your enemies narrative. Except that everytime a news crew/"undercover reporter" gets in a gun show they film and air the Nazi booth. The booth with the repro flags, Mein Kampf, The Turner Diaries, etc. on the table. So who's actually furthering the narrative? Actual collectables is one thing. Repro items and WP literature is another. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:18:09 PM EDT
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"Say what you want about the Nazis, no woman has ever had a fantasy about being tied up and beaten by a man dressed as a liberal." -- P.J. O'Rourke 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:21:40 PM EDT
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gotta fund the Aryan Nation LOL, when I used to go to the gun shows I never saw anyone buy a flag or anything from them. I've never seen anyone leave with jerky either. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:22:54 PM EDT
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My dad has the whole boxed set of "Band of Brothers", I've never seen it.
I'm gonna borrow it and start tonight. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:25:17 PM EDT
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WWII for many people is one of the most fascinating times in US history, and the Nazi's are one of the most fascinating groups of the time. What WWII historian wouldn't want memorabilia from each faction? The Nazi's are the only group that did horrible things, but I don't see anyone complaining about Japanese, Russian or Chinese memorabilia. True. Nobody cares about the Katana's from the period, but then again...swords are AWESOME! I have never seen any WW2 period Soviet era stuff at any gunshow other then rifles and the odd nagant revolver. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:46:33 PM EDT
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True. Nobody cares about the Katana's from the period, but then again...swords are AWESOME! I have never seen any WW2 period Soviet era stuff at any gunshow other then rifles and the odd nagant revolver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WWII for many people is one of the most fascinating times in US history, and the Nazi's are one of the most fascinating groups of the time. What WWII historian wouldn't want memorabilia from each faction? The Nazi's are the only group that did horrible things, but I don't see anyone complaining about Japanese, Russian or Chinese memorabilia. True. Nobody cares about the Katana's from the period, but then again...swords are AWESOME! I have never seen any WW2 period Soviet era stuff at any gunshow other then rifles and the odd nagant revolver. Thats because it's not really popular with collectors.......there was tons of it made....all low quality, and it's easily available just about anywhere..... Real WW2 German militaria .....regardless of branch of service, has been rising in value like a blue-chip stock. A nice M35 or M42 Heer helmet is now 4-6-800 dollars. I remember picking them up for 50-75 bucks 15-20 years ago. A nice Double Decal SS helmet will set you back 10K.....rarity has a lot to do with the value of SS items.....they were a relatively small service, and at the end of the war, people wanted to hide evidence of their association with them......hell....look at the value of an original Gestapo or Kripo "warrant disc"......10K and up......90% are fakes btw... There is a big difference between a collector selling original ($ 25K) Waffen SS peaked caps and some clown selling repro daggers, anarchist cookbooks,and Zippo lighters with swastikas on them....one I have zero issues with, the other really has no place in our society |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 2:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of Tarantino's best. Col. Hans Landa FTMFW. https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608012488668941449&pid=15.1&P=0 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll check out Inglorious Basterds. Honestly as long it's got Nazis being killed with Garands and Thompsons and 1911's, I'll be entertained. Looking forward to "Fury", too. I bet my dad would like it. ETA: greaseguns, too One of Tarantino's best. Col. Hans Landa FTMFW. https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608012488668941449&pid=15.1&P=0  |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:25:02 PM EDT
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I didn't know it when I got it, but I later found out there is a Nazi symbol on a t-shirt of mine.
I still wear it. Haven't been yelled at yet while wearing it out and about. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:28:41 PM EDT
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I have never seen any WW2 period Soviet era stuff at any gunshow other then rifles and the odd nagant revolver. We didn't take over half of the Soviet Union after the war and take all of their shit. We also weren't on particularly friendly terms with the USSR for the 40 years after the war, which probably kept us from buying whatever surplus stuff they may have had. Besides, you have to admit that very little militaria from any other modern war is as nice to look at as the Nazi stuff. Most of it just looks great, if you can ignore the evil behind it all. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same reason Randy Weaver makes the gun show circuit, or at least did. There is a market for Nazi/white supremacist shit at gun shows. It is a unique market. Auto shows and dog shows don't have a strong Nazi/white supremacist presence, neither did the last "outdoors" type product show I went to. Interesting, ain't it? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:33:20 PM EDT
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I didn't know it when I got it, but I later found out there is a Nazi symbol on a t-shirt of mine. I still wear it. Haven't been yelled at yet while wearing it out and about. Probably one the many pre-Christian European symbols they stigmatized. If it's not a swastika or sig runes most people aren't going to know it had any association with National Socialism. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see some COMBLOC militaria at gun shows--uniforms, furry hats, military insignia, and weapons. Plenty of books on T-34s and AKs, too. I think if you're a commonwealth fan there's plenty of other places to get a Union Jack flag. Quote HistoryQuoted: If the market for WWII stuff was so strong at gunshows, surely there would be tables prominently adorned with the Union Jack selling all manner of only Commonwealth stuff or tables full of only Russian kit. I see some COMBLOC militaria at gun shows--uniforms, furry hats, military insignia, and weapons. Plenty of books on T-34s and AKs, too. I think if you're a commonwealth fan there's plenty of other places to get a Union Jack flag. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:34:07 PM EDT
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Today I ventured out of my Moms basement and took her to the gun show. When she asked what kind of stuff would be there I said "well I know there will be Nazi shit and jerky, maybe some guns". But I got to thinking. Why is there always a Nazi booth? Like at every fucking show. Is that their business or do they just have Nazi gear stacked deep? Enlighten me GD wouldn't know. I've never seen one. Ever. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:41:07 PM EDT
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I was hoping for more Neo Nazi conspiracy's TBH. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its just militaria. People collect it. And the army wasnt a bunch of nazis, some of the leaders were. They had a great army with very poor leadership. The stuff looks cool and only has the nazi stigma attached because of Hitler and his gang, not because of the common soldiers. Idon'tbeliveyou.jpeg That's because you made up your mind why it's happening before you posted the thread. The thread is for no other reason than to state whatever that belief is. So you might as well have at it. I was hoping for more Neo Nazi conspiracy's TBH. Die Spinne?????? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:19:46 PM EDT
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Death Head emblem predates the Nazis. It was worn by the Hussars during the days of Frederick der Grosse. Even during the Nazi era, that same emblem was worn by the Wehrmacht panzer truppen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's not a Nazi belt buckle. Death Head emblem predates the Nazis. It was worn by the Hussars during the days of Frederick der Grosse. Even during the Nazi era, that same emblem was worn by the Wehrmacht panzer truppen. Brits used it also |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:23:56 PM EDT
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I go to LOTS of gunshows.
I rarely see a table with just Nazi shit. Nazi Germany had a large effect on history in the 20th Century. Why shouldn't people be interested in collecting their stuff. Stalin killed more people. I LOVE me some Mosin-Nagants. Sue me. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:27:42 PM EDT
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No, but the ergonomics are designed like old style HKs. So they're great if your dick is comprised of right angles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen neither a nazi booth nor a fleshlight booth. I need to start paying attention. Teutonic fleshlights are VERY efficient. Do they have fake blonde hair on them or what? No, but the ergonomics are designed like old style HKs. So they're great if your dick is comprised of right angles. H&K? Do you have to "load" them backwards? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:29:05 PM EDT
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i don't object to people collecting historical german militaria.
but i think we've all met those sellers who seem to fetishize the swastika in particular. i swear, the vibe they give off is almost sexual.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:29:33 PM EDT
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Because the Nazis were the best dressed. 
Also, it's not just the gun culture that has a fascination with Nazis. There are still films being made about them, Inglorious Basterds and Valkyrie, for example. I got Valkyrie on my DVR, I'm gonna watch it tonight and root for the Krauts  !
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WWII for many people is one of the most fascinating times in US history, and the Nazi's are one of the most fascinating groups of the time. What WWII historian wouldn't want memorabilia from each faction? The Nazi's are the only group that did horrible things, but I don't see anyone complaining about Japanese, Russian or Chinese memorabilia. Because the Nazis were the best dressed.
Also, it's not just the gun culture that has a fascination with Nazis. There are still films being made about them, Inglorious Basterds and Valkyrie, for example. I got Valkyrie on my DVR, I'm gonna watch it tonight and root for the Krauts !
BTW, is Inglorious Basterds worth watching? No, it sucked. Dead Snow FTW! |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:36:19 PM EDT
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I bought my 1st pistol at a gun show.
WI has a 48 hour waiting period for handguns. I went to the vendor's brick and mortar to find it loaded with Hitler shit. The owner was bragging to a couple of his retard friends about how he treated black customers. (He called them something else.) The whole experience sucked and I ended up selling the pistol. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:14:00 PM EDT
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haha, you are a funny guy. you remind me of al sharpton, always quick to point out white scum but never have the guts to point out the black scum. you are a man without honor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unless it's some kind of recruiting table, I don't see the problem. I've seen a few 88 tards walking around from time to time. Never behind the table. I find history fascinating. I enjoy reading about and collecting things from different times. Just because I have stuff from the Romans, Japanese, Soviet Union, Warsaw pact, British Empire, Iraq and Afghanistan etc. doesn't mean I'm a supporter of everything or anything they stood for. Like wise my K98 and German militaria doesn't make me a Nazi. However, my U.S. militaria including the gear and rifles that I, my dad, uncles and grandfathers used are a symbol of pride and freedom for me. Not to be rude or crass but in the most respectful way, see if you can figure out the difference. No, I'm pretty sure the recruiting table was the "reclaim your southern heritage booth" with a big Rebel Flag above it. I'm all for collecting militaria, however I think it would raise a few heads if a Iranian owned a booth that sold only machetes,whore face stickers and colored shiny tape haha, you are a funny guy. you remind me of al sharpton, always quick to point out white scum but never have the guts to point out the black scum. you are a man without honor. lol. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:14:33 PM EDT
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Sigh. Ruin my fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is a both anything like a booth?  I have no idea what you mean... Sigh. Ruin my fun. The ARFCOM Way: Get Booth! |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's for "history buffs" who play dress up with their friend so we "don't forget" So, where is the American and Jap stuff? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:20:56 PM EDT
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"Afterall, didn't the average Kraut join the Nazi Party like folks would join the Democrat party here?"
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:24:25 PM EDT
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Keith Moon used to do that in front of Steve McQueen's house.
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I saw a great fight between one of the gun show nazis and another regular gun show guy with a C&R table. The nazi guy had some words with his neighboring exhibitor and decided to goose step back and forth in front of the guy's tables while fully dressed up in nazi regalia from hat to boots. Fists flew with the nazi guy getting the worst of it by far. I never realized how many undercovers the are at the gun show; they appeared out of everywhere.
Keith Moon used to do that in front of Steve McQueen's house.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:26:52 PM EDT
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Troll warning
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:30:44 PM EDT
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A Nazi table wouldn't be accepted at a bake sale or the local fair.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:33:00 PM EDT
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So, where is the American and Jap stuff? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's for "history buffs" who play dress up with their friend so we "don't forget" So, where is the American and Jap stuff? I see plenty of US gear at shows. Not much Jap stuff but since most of them got blown up, burned up or buried it was probably hard to get souveniers
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:33:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:34:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:35:59 PM EDT
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If you don't think a large part of the German population and common soldiers didn't buy into that Nazi shit, you're kidding yourself. There were certainly soldiers and even German officers that were opposed to the Nazis, but to act as if they were the majority, is a fiction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its just militaria. People collect it. And the army wasnt a bunch of nazis, some of the leaders were. They had a great army with very poor leadership. The stuff looks cool and only has the nazi stigma attached because of Hitler and his gang, not because of the common soldiers. If you don't think a large part of the German population and common soldiers didn't buy into that Nazi shit, you're kidding yourself. There were certainly soldiers and even German officers that were opposed to the Nazis, but to act as if they were the majority, is a fiction. As somebody who grew up in West Germany in the 60s and 70s, and knew many people who'd been in the war, and loved talking about it when they had an interested audience (their spouses and kids didn't want to hear about it) I certainly agree with what you wrote. Most people loved him. At least as long as he gave them prosperity and victory. I even met one man who said, even though Germany was utterly destroyed by the Allies, he'd go through it all again since Hitler and the Nazis gave him and Germans a mission in life, a love, really, he sadly found lacking anywhere else before and after the war. And he was not a member of the party (I asked him). His views were extreme, but not all that uncommon. Speaking of extreme, some of the former SS people I knew...very scary. 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:41:53 PM EDT
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...and those reenactors who dress up as Confederates? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(snip) IMO, the "re-enactor" argument is bullshit. The people I hear use this justification to buy nazi trash never seem that interested in impersonating the average Wehrmacht grunt, only nazis. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever met one that could articulate the difference. Owning a swastika flag, or an SS uniform doesn't automatically make you a nazi, any more than owning "murderobelia" makes you a murderer. It does, however, make you a purveyor of human misery. I could only hope that people who own this shit do so in order to prevent people from forgetting one of the darkest times in humanity, as opposed to flagrantly and insensitively reminding people. These same "collectors" and "re-enactors" then like to talk about Stalin's body count or what a dick Mussolini was. That's a fucktarded argument in the first place for any number of reasons, but most importantly, there aren't gangs of Stalin sympathizers perpetuating his ideals. TL;DR- fuck nazis and their paraphernalia. ...and those reenactors who dress up as Confederates? How about reenactors who dress up as British Redcoats of 1775 or 1812? Are they the equivalent of the SS, too? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo, where is the American and Jap stuff? I see a fair amount of Jap stuff--flags and such, not to mention captured swords. Japanese flags and swords are items that equal the fetish factor of German gear. Doubtless a lot of the Japanese gear is replica being pawned off as genuine. Does that indicate there are a bunch of latent Bushido cultists attending US gun shows? There's plenty of US equipment, though it's hard to differentiate between "collectable stuff" and just plain surplus stuff. Is that Garand and bandoleer web gear a political statement or just some crap for the range? The same goes for the COMBLOC gear, which seems more oriented towards the Cold War than WW2. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:08:30 PM EDT
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Speaking of extreme, some of the former SS people I knew...very scary. Stories? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:10:13 PM EDT
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Its just militaria. People collect it. And the army wasnt a bunch of nazis, some of the leaders were. They had a great army with very poor leadership. The stuff looks cool and only has the nazi stigma attached because of Hitler and his gang, not because of the common soldiers. Lulz |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:43:47 PM EDT
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I will not buy anything from a booth that sells Neo-Nazi crap (bumper stickers, shirts, etc...).
As for historical memorabilia, I have no problem with that. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:45:47 PM EDT
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They always have shitty overpriced ammo too.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:49:58 PM EDT
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Collecting history is better than collecting herpes
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:54:27 PM EDT
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I've seen neither a nazi booth nor a fleshlight booth. I need to start paying attention. I rather check out the fleshlight booth, more interesting
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:04:08 AM EDT
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I am pretty proud of my Nazi collection: 2 Lugers, 2 Mausers, and a MG34
but it was lost during the huricane/earthquake/flooding that hit my house 
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