Apparently, according to another "truth" gleaned in similar fashion by another all-knowing member of the tank brigade, I'm not.  

So we're back to they could have just used a magical sock for him to navigate through time.


There are a host of other shapes that could have served this purpose. Humans navigate through linear expressions of time on a regular basis. The tesseract was chosen because it appeals to window lickers that don't actually know what a tesseract is or the meaning of its fourth dimension.

Now I know this movie is good, so much passion over entertainment.

No kidding.



You guys are having a major pissing contest over the science (or lack thereof) in a fucking movie. Think about that.



Did I miss a 50 page argument when Looper came out?



 

See it. It's pretty good.



If one of your theaters has better sound, though, go the that one. The audio is muddy.

Nah, it sucked, Daemon just can't ever be disagreed with.  


ETA

It really wasn't terrible, the cinematography was amazing. They just jumped the shark with the science in a reach too far for my taste.

I sadly give it a 7 of 10 and was hoping for a 9.  

No, but we did for Edge of Tomorrow and Pacific Rim.

No. Everybody knew Looper was stupid.

OP's spelling...sucked.

Except they used an existing theory of the space-time continuum, where the third dimension is static and the fourth dimension, time, is flowing, using just an added coordinate utilizing the same points.  The three-dimensional space remains the same.  It's quite simple really, you should read up on it sometime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime




So they should have used a cube like you suggested, but haven't been able to illuminate us on just how that could be visually represented?    Unlike the rotating tesseract, where the same points rotate and create new points in time to interface with.

You have yet to back up a single thing you said with a link, or established theory....

Just saying "the science is junk" without accounting for the fact that MOST of it was derived directly from the current accepted theories is absurd.  There's a reason a theoretic physicist was hired for this movie and not you.

Of course we all know this entire premise is complete bullshit because the rapture didn't occur before the die-off.

Read flash66 post regarding terminal velocity in this thread.

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HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is a ridiculous oversimplification of spacetime.

You do realize that the access to his daughters room was inherently not static on the x, y and z dimensions, right? It was static in one frame of reference, but that frame of reference is inherently dynamic to the rest of the universe.



Hmmm, if only humans had developed some way to interact with linear timelines... Such a novelty would revolutionize our ability to navigate such things... Gone would be the days of having to watch an entire porn video just to see the money shot... Oh, wait a minute...



Maybe it did?

Did you see a single Christian in the entire movie?

You are describing a means of navigating a physical recording, not a timeline. This has fuck-all to do with being able to effect change in the past or future.





Yet you don't seem to get it.     You keep making up shit but refuse to explain or cite anything.   Here are the questions I want answers to.

- Please explain how a cube could have worked as the movie interface?

- How does the true fourth dimension in a tesseract prohibit it from being used as shown?

- where are these calculations you described about time dilation and acceleration with data included for being just outside a black hole?

Don't skip on or make up some more bullshit, answer the fucking questions.


Here you go buddy.  Ironically Physicist Kip Thorne actually explained your nonsense about the time dilation on the water planet.  I'll take his word over some waifu-loving weirdo that refuses to explain anything he says....AKA regurgitated it from some septic tank of the internet.

http://screenrant.com/interstellar-ending-spoilers-time-travel/3/

You are a truly disturbed individual.    




THORAZINE



It's what's for dinner.  

I'm out.

You have shelled me into submission. {not really, I gotta get up early}

enjoy

Why the fuck were you even still in this thread to this point?  I didn't realize I was still having a discussion you.

Probably because I wasn't.

What type of ghetto do you live in where it's acceptable yell at a movie screen?

Well unfortunately for your ego what you call a waifu-loving weirdo is actually a mathfu-loving weirdo.



Let's start by calculating the distance of Miller's planet from Gargantua for the required time dilation stated in the movie.

In the movie they state that for every hour they spend on Millerland (that's the planets name now, just roll with it) is seven years on Earth.

7 * 365 * 24 = 61,320. So the time dilation is a factor of 0.00001630789 versus Earth.

Now, the next major variable we need is the mass of Gargantua, which is stated to be 100 million solar masses. Which is 1.98855e+39 kg. With me so far? Good.

So, now we need to figure out the radius (which equals the orbital radius if an orbit is perfect) from Gargantua's center (it's a supermassive black hole, I'm going to just ignore the barycenter) at which the time dilation factor is 0.00001630789.

The formula for that is (x²+1)*(2GM)/(c²). Forgive my overuse of parenthesis, it helps when you have to show a formula in this text format.

x is the desire time dilation, G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass, c is the speed of light. With me? Good.

So, Millerland is orbiting Gargantua at 29,534,493,511,755.7 meters. Or 29,534,493,511.75 km.

Now, here's an interesting question.. How far is Millerland from Gargantua's Schwarzschild radius?

Easy way to figure out, 2GM/c². Which is 29,534,493,503,901.09 meters, or 29,534,493,503.9 km.

Which is 7,854.62 meters above the Scwarzschild Radius... Wait a minute, that's just 7.85 kilometers.... I think I see a problem...

See, the Schwarzschild radius is also known an the event horizon.... And since Miller's planet is, well, a planet, and not an asteroid, it is obviously bigger than 8km in radius and part of the planet rests below the event horizon... Which isn't going to work for a terrestrial body.

Even if we assume that Millerland is only a tiny, Pluto-sized non-planet, and ignore the problem of the event horizon, we still run into massive problems. For example, time dilation would vary for the parts of the planet above the event horizon from approaching infinity at the closest edges (just 7.85km lower), to 874% above the stated time dilation factor. It is such an extreme environment that even ignoring the impossibility of simply getting there or surviving, they would not be able to so easily predict how fast Earth time was passing in comparison as shown in the film. Simply put, it is a ridiculous concept.


Do I really even need to do the delta-v and acceleration calculations to show the impossibility of what the movie portrayed, or will you admit that a spaceship that takes two years to reach Saturn from Earth is not going to land on a planet halfway in the event horizon of a black hole and make it back? The concept is astronomically silly.


I'm sorry your man-god physicist lied to you. But the movie is scientifically full of shit. Perhaps you should consider Scientology?




For those who can actually do math in this thread (all three of you), I welcome scrutiny and correction. It has been a while since I did these things, if I made a mistake I wouldn't be shocked, and I would appreciate it if it could be pointed out. I also acknowledge that the above scenario is simplified, ignoring velocity as a factor, which would only make the outcome more ridiculous.

I'm just here to laugh at your self importance and see how much of an ass you'll make of yourself over a such a trivial thing.

And by the way, nice shot after I checked out, typical  I suppose. You simply ooze class, grace and style. {but Hell, you already knew that}  

Anyway, it looks like you'll be busy with TR's calcs.... or will you simply declare them magic?

lol

Hmmm.  You forgot one thing.  

They explicitly stated in the movie that time naturally moves slower on the far side of the wormhole as compared to Earth. That ratio is not included in your math, you are assuming a direct correlation with mass.

I didn't make that up, and it was actually in the link I sent you. That's why they misrepresented the time passed by the beacon on the water world....kind of a key part of the movie itself.  Good ol' X-factor.

So once again, you are doing calculations on an incalculable problem, from a movie. Lack of attention to detail, minus 16, see you in the inactive platoon, nerd.  You didn't really think you would beat the math of a celebrated theoretical physicist, did you?  Awww...poor thing....you did...

Where are the other two answers now that you failed the first?






Actually, being as how you have contributed nothing this entire thread, made zero counterpoints, and essentially just cling on to take absurd potshots at me, it sure seems like you are bitter for being called out over your 15th century rationalization of something you don't understand.

Laugh all you want, jokes ultimately on you though.

When you don't want to understand something, like why the police had to shoot Michael Brown when he attacked them, then you call bullshit and say it's stupid.

Same thing in this case.

This was a simple thread about opinions on a sci-fi flick. I would have thought the mere spelling errors in the title would have negated it from your consideration, what with your superior intellect and all.

Had I known it required a PHD level dissertation justifying said opinion, I might have brushed up on my theoretical astrophysics.

And any potshots taken at you are hardly absurd. Look at yourself, in here ranting and raving like a spoiled child because everybody doesn't see things through your  self admittedly superior viewpoint.


I typically don't engage with your type but you are a particularly overbearing and total boar and in all reality, low hanging fruit for "potshots".

But by all means, do carry on.

I'll be travelling today, (not time travel) , but I can't wait to see you further your omnipotence for all to see.

ETA

Come to think of it, could you hook a brother up with a shortcut to Detroit?

Its actually a simple discussion, however ultimately its a fun exercise in laughter at the expense of two types of people.

A) a couple people who seem convinced theoretical acience is junk (one of them due to the fact that scientists touched him in a naughty spot with global warming, and therefore he has lost all faith in science like an abused, molested child)

B) people who think they can sit and do real-world calculations on a sci-fi movie to prove to all that this movie about fifth dimension humans cant possibly be real because "TEH ACCELERATION IS WROOOONGGGGG!!!"


No ranting here. Im having a blast at your expense.  I hope it continues.

 























 

You keep teeing 'em up, I'll keep swattin 'em.


Oh, and what about that shortcut to Detroit?

I really don't have 6 hours to waste.
 

Ask Daemon, he knows everything.


ETA

Except a shortcut to Detroit.  

Gargantua is a supermassive RAPIDLY SPINNING black hole which changes the equations and allows the time dilation stated in the MOVIE. The extreme delta-v is also explained away in Kip's book by multiple gravity assists by Cooper using fortuitously located black holes which were not shown in the MOVIE.

thanks for that. I have been following this thread out of curiousity.

I enjoyed the movie thoroughly, and enjoyed the immense effort for scientific accuracy (for televison standards), and avoided "red matter" bullshit.

For the record, I was initially hesitant to believe the lander was capable of reaching escape velocity.

The biggest plot hole I am having an issue with is this:
TARS was sent into the blackhole to gather quantum data tha murph required to solve the gravity problem. TARS was capable of processing and interpreting the environment. Ok, ill accept that for a creative license on the writers part. My problem is, what was the point?

Think about it, cooper et al. Had no idea the tesseract had been built by 5D humans to allow cooper to operate outside normal space time. So TARS wouldnt be able to send back or read anything. As the escape velocity approached the speed of light, TARS would likely be unable to either gather whatever readings were needed, or communicate them to anyone.

Unless I missed something,  it made no sense to count on TARS to do anything beyond sacrifice the module so that escape velocity could be reached for the ship.

This. Plus, Arthur C. Clark called, he wants his storypoints back.

If you like, study, or read about astrophysics you'll prb enjoy this movie a lot more than the average Dude, Where's My Car? moviegoer. The math on the chalkboard alone was enlightening

Of course, they don't explain how a planet is such a gravity well, close enough for massive time distortion, isn't pulled into said gravity well nor how far away the black guy had to be to not be effected. It took them 2 years to get to Saturn but just a blip to get in and out of the time distortion effect of a massive black hole?

Forever War by Haldeman better

Original?  See 2001 and 2010 and you'll see some things lifted directly out of those films.

I don't buy it. It is not consistent with the whole "two years to Saturn" issue. They took two years to Saturn but then seemed to pop from system to system. It was a major plot hole, IMHO.

That was the upside of the film. The luddites who take money from science to push their agrarian utopia vision.

Also, tidal effects would rip a body apart that was anywhere near the event horizon.



Roche Limit = r(2M/m)^1/3





 

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Interplanetary travel between planets in the habitable zone is not comparable to earth to Saturn trips.  Saturn is way the hell out there.

Screenwriting 101: if you are gong to have the hero pull out a pistol in the final act to save the day, you better be sure to show him put it in his pocket in scene 10.  Conveniently located black holes in the perfect location for gravity assists just at the right time? Just more deus ex machina.  Decent film with decent acting, but a lot of plot holes and overused themes.

They were not in the same system, IIR. Even if the three in question were in the same system, two were close the black hole and the other was not. That involves distances much greater than Earth to Saturn.

They were in the same system.  "One system... with 3 habitable planets?  A long shot?"

A better thing to wonder is why they needed a multistage booster to leave Earth but just zipped to and fro orbit on the other worlds.... especially Miller's planet.

Yep. It was Murphy's solution to the equation with her dad's help that got the mass of materials needed off the ground. That was really the whole point of the film.

Good point. Multistage booster to get off planet Earth but not needed on a planet with 135% Earth gravity.  The big waves were cool though. Reminded me of "Expedition" by Barlow.

This. The aging actually makes sense if you have basic knowledge of the scientific theories they used in the movie.

Which doesn't work.

You can't just say "magic happens".

Show your math that allows the Gargantua system to have time move slower than the Sol system. I'll wait.



Because it is the least ridiculous scenario. If you add orbital velocity and body rotation to things, the scenario only gets more ridiculous, requiring the Endurance to accelerate to a high fraction of c and back.



When he publishes his mathematical model for the Gargantua system, this statement will be valid. Until then, his snippets of opinion are little more than whoring his degrees to Hollywood.



Actually it rapidly spinning doesn't work and only creates even more ridiculous problems.

Using gravity assists to get everywhere in five minutes is literally just saying "magic happens". Real gravity assists take considerable time.

The radiation is the real unavoidable problem, beyond the fact the planet would be turned to plasma from tidal forces, and is orbiting Gargantua at a notable fraction of c.