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That's a screaming deal. But I'd rather spend $600 on Canadian Maple Leafs.
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I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe Aimless. Anybody want to make some money on a loan? Aimless simply posted Troy's misleading statement. Troy tells the truth about who said those very words then, but Dale said the same thing in two places. Even more reason to fuck Troy, they'll lie and obfuscate in an attempt to save face and keep their boy. I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. Specter's questioning setting him up for that answer is pretty clear, too. |
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Quoted: I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe Aimless. Anybody want to make some money on a loan? Aimless simply posted Troy's misleading statement. Troy tells the truth about who said those very words then, but Dale said the same thing in two places. Even more reason to fuck Troy, they'll lie and obfuscate in an attempt to save face and keep their boy. I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. Yep. Need to read further down but earlier Monroe says the shots were appropriate and later did say he would have taken it if he had a clear shot Interesting part is 1:05 on-Monroe is describing the difficulties to see the details of the door and area during the shot Warning for viewer: Right after Monroe says he would have taken the shot around 2:17, the camera pans to Sen Feinstein. |
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Quoted: I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe Aimless. Anybody want to make some money on a loan? Aimless simply posted Troy's misleading statement. Troy tells the truth about who said those very words then, but Dale said the same thing in two places. Even more reason to fuck Troy, they'll lie and obfuscate in an attempt to save face and keep their boy. I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. |
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I still buy, and use, troy products. Monroe was hanged here for something he didn't say, or do.
Thanks Aimless for at least trying to educate the masses, but GD because GD. |
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Whatever happened to the young kid that the mother was holding?
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Quoted: I heard him say the shots were justified. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: .................. He said that firing at an armed man was justified. But later says that he did not fire because he did not have an accurate shot at the armed man I heard him say the shots were justified. |
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The TROY BattleMag is the toughest plastic magazine on the market with an aggressive scale pattern giving the ultimate grip in dirty or wet conditions. View Quote lol |
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Because those motherfuckers stole Helen. Do you even Classical Greek, bro? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Okim missing something, can someone explain why people are saying fuck troy? Because those motherfuckers stole Helen. Do you even Classical Greek, bro? Yeah and the movie sucked ass. |
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- I'm looking at the video right now. At 1:03:30 Dale say's both shots were justified. Really. View Quote Specter: And you think that shot was justified under the standard for avoiding death or greivous bodily harm even though nobody was in jeopardy at that precise moment? Monroe: Yes I believe the second shot was just as justified as the first. |
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They hired guys who we feel murdered members of the Weaver family in the Ruby Ridge incident roughly 20 years ago. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Okim missing something, can someone explain why people are saying fuck troy? They hired guys who we feel murdered members of the Weaver family in the Ruby Ridge incident roughly 20 years ago. And who showed no remorse. Do we know if he is still working for them? |
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Sure that Horuichi was justified at firing at an armed man, but that Monroe did not fire because he did not have an accurate shot. Monroe didn't say that shooting and missing and hitting Weaver was justified. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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.................. He said that firing at an armed man was justified. But later says that he did not fire because he did not have an accurate shot at the armed man I heard him say the shots were justified. Let me go back and listen................ |
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The TROY BattleMag is the toughest plastic magazine on the market with an aggressive scale pattern giving the ultimate grip in dirty or wet conditions. lol lol indeed. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/581741_The_Unscientific_Plastic_Magazine_Test___Videos_pg15___Part_2_pg16___mobile_users_56k_do_not_click_.html |
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Regardless of the politics, that stock is fucky enough to make me not buy the rifle.
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That's a hell of a deal, and I wouldn't fault anyone for buying it if the Northern Guard / Canada connection was of significance to them, Troy or not.
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Quoted: Let me go back and listen................ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .................. He said that firing at an armed man was justified. But later says that he did not fire because he did not have an accurate shot at the armed man I heard him say the shots were justified. Let me go back and listen................ |
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..................... He's saying he thought he would have been legally justified in shooting Randy Weaver or Harris (not sure he is referring to but he is talking about an armed male), but did not because he did not have a good shot. Obviously Horiuchi didn't either. View Quote He said he thought the second shot was justified based on they both possibly still being in physical danger. I just listened to it and he said that in so many words. He thought that shooting at the fleeing man was still a dangerous situation, etc. I would not expect him to say otherwise. |
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We thank everyone for their opinions on Dale Monroe. We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first.http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1 The attribution of the statement on gunssavelife.com to Mr. Monroe is incorrect. After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. We are saddened by the events at Ruby Ridge and recognize the significance of the tragedy. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. One thing we know for sure: Mr. Monroe did not state that he would have fired first. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. View Quote Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge I am highly curious as to whether Mr. Monroe was party to the insular development of the ROE on site, and whether he participated in the post-shooting tauntings. Randy Weaver was not a good guy, but this event was one of several high profile instances of the government ignoring due process. |
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Quoted: Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We thank everyone for their opinions on Dale Monroe. We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first.http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1 The attribution of the statement on gunssavelife.com to Mr. Monroe is incorrect. After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. We are saddened by the events at Ruby Ridge and recognize the significance of the tragedy. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. One thing we know for sure: Mr. Monroe did not state that he would have fired first. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge |
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Quoted: He said he thought the second shot was justified based on they both possibly still being in physical danger. I just listened to it and he said that in so many words. He thought that shooting at the fleeing man was still a dangerous situation, etc. I would not expect him to say otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ..................... He's saying he thought he would have been legally justified in shooting Randy Weaver or Harris (not sure he is referring to but he is talking about an armed male), but did not because he did not have a good shot. Obviously Horiuchi didn't either. He said he thought the second shot was justified based on they both possibly still being in physical danger. I just listened to it and he said that in so many words. He thought that shooting at the fleeing man was still a dangerous situation, etc. I would not expect him to say otherwise. |
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If you start listening at 59:00 and listen to the entire exchange between Dale and Specter, it's clear he is saying that the shot that killed Vicki was justified because the people running into the cabin could be a threat to anyone. Even though at the time of the shot no one was threatening anything.
It's bluff and bullshit. Dale Monroe is every bit the scumbag as Horiuchi, both of them deserve to have their dicks eaten by fire ants. Fuck Troy. |
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Quoted: That's the article that obviously misquotes Monroe, attributing to him comments obviously made by Wenger View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We thank everyone for their opinions on Dale Monroe. We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first.http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1 The attribution of the statement on gunssavelife.com to Mr. Monroe is incorrect. After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. We are saddened by the events at Ruby Ridge and recognize the significance of the tragedy. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. One thing we know for sure: Mr. Monroe did not state that he would have fired first. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge No, he actually did say that (Monroe that is). Right at 1:02.
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............................... The difference to my mind is that Monroe has been falsely accused of saying he would have fired, but Horuichi fired first. Monroe says he did not fire because he could not get an accurate shot. View Quote Understood and I agree with that but he did say Horuichi's shot was justified. I would expect him to say that though. |
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Quoted: America seems to have turned more socialist than that which we accuse Canada of being in the past 10 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is no way a true American would want to own a rifle with our parasite's flag on it. Fuck Troy That rifle is ugly Decent deal but Fuck Troy. I kinda like that lower though..... |
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The difference to my mind is that Monroe has been falsely accused of saying he would have fired, but Horuichi fired first. Monroe says he did not fire because he could not get an accurate shot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting that they call it a contract over-run. All Troy rifles produced are over-runs.
What were the stacked discount uppers going for? This seems cheaper than I remember those being and I bet they wished thy had honored those now. |
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Quoted: No, he actually did say that (Monroe that is). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We thank everyone for their opinions on Dale Monroe. We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first.http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1 The attribution of the statement on gunssavelife.com to Mr. Monroe is incorrect. After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. We are saddened by the events at Ruby Ridge and recognize the significance of the tragedy. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. One thing we know for sure: Mr. Monroe did not state that he would have fired first. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge No, he actually did say that (Monroe that is). Right at 1:02. |
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Quoted: He's saying he thought he would have been legally justified in shooting Randy Weaver or Harris (not sure he is referring to but he is talking about an armed male), but did not because he did not have a good shot. Obviously Horiuchi didn't either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .................. He said that firing at an armed man was justified. But later says that he did not fire because he did not have an accurate shot at the armed man I heard him say the shots were justified. Let me go back and listen................ |
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I gotta be honest, that rollmark is badass. The rest is fugly though. |
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Quoted: He did also specifically state that he considered the ROE to be a "green light" to shoot all armed males on sight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ..................... He's saying he thought he would have been legally justified in shooting Randy Weaver or Harris (not sure he is referring to but he is talking about an armed male), but did not because he did not have a good shot. Obviously Horiuchi didn't either. He said he thought the second shot was justified based on they both possibly still being in physical danger. I just listened to it and he said that in so many words. He thought that shooting at the fleeing man was still a dangerous situation, etc. I would not expect him to say otherwise. He did also specifically state that he considered the ROE to be a "green light" to shoot all armed males on sight. |
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Quoted: Understood and I agree with that but he did say Horuichi's shot was justified. I would expect him to say that though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ............................... The difference to my mind is that Monroe has been falsely accused of saying he would have fired, but Horuichi fired first. Monroe says he did not fire because he could not get an accurate shot. Understood and I agree with that but he did say Horuichi's shot was justified. I would expect him to say that though. |
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Quoted: We have been down this road with Aimless before in other threads View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ............................... The difference to my mind is that Monroe has been falsely accused of saying he would have fired, but Horuichi fired first. Monroe says he did not fire because he could not get an accurate shot. Understood and I agree with that but he did say Horuichi's shot was justified. I would expect him to say that though. |
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Yeah he said he would have fired at an armed man (not sure which one he was referring to) that he saw running with a rifle towards the cabin View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As was succinctly stated in another thread about a Sheriff deleting negative facebook comments and unrelated to Troy.
"Every JBT at Ruby Ridge deserves to be hounded for the rest of their life over the events that occured there." I agree with it, every one of them, and anyone who associates themselves with them. Fuck Troy. |
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"We had a 'green light' to use deadly force against an armed adult male." -Monroe 8/31/92 FBI form 302. Two more snipers echoed that exact same understanding in their statements. Idahoans don't love Weaver, but many of us still remember how badly it was handled. Boundary County was going after Horiuchi for manslaughter, until it got bumped to Federal court and covered with sovereign immunity. My issue is not with who said specifically they would take the shot. It was the shredding of the Constitution in constructing and utilizing ROE that allowed for government sanctioned revenge killing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He said he thought the second shot was justified based on they both possibly still being in physical danger. I just listened to it and he said that in so many words. He thought that shooting at the fleeing man was still a dangerous situation, etc. I would not expect him to say otherwise. He did also specifically state that he considered the ROE to be a "green light" to shoot all armed males on sight. "We had a 'green light' to use deadly force against an armed adult male." -Monroe 8/31/92 FBI form 302. Two more snipers echoed that exact same understanding in their statements. Idahoans don't love Weaver, but many of us still remember how badly it was handled. Boundary County was going after Horiuchi for manslaughter, until it got bumped to Federal court and covered with sovereign immunity. My issue is not with who said specifically they would take the shot. It was the shredding of the Constitution in constructing and utilizing ROE that allowed for government sanctioned revenge killing. That immunity was rejected by the next court up the chain, but ultimately the new Boundary County prosecutor dropped the issue. |
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I believe Aimless. Anybody want to make some money on a loan? Aimless simply posted Troy's misleading statement. Troy tells the truth about who said those very words then, but Dale said the same thing in two places. Even more reason to fuck Troy, they'll lie and obfuscate in an attempt to save face and keep their boy. He was a member of law enforcement who was present and who did not arrest his superiors when it became clear they were involved in unlawful acts (conspiracy to murder) All of those who acted likewise can rot. |
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Quoted: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We thank everyone for their opinions on Dale Monroe. We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first.http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1 The attribution of the statement on gunssavelife.com to Mr. Monroe is incorrect. After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. We are saddened by the events at Ruby Ridge and recognize the significance of the tragedy. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. One thing we know for sure: Mr. Monroe did not state that he would have fired first. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. Mr. Monroe is on record saying he totally disagreed with the task force's finding of the shot to be unconstitutional. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge No, he actually did say that (Monroe that is). Right at 1:02. |
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that's a deal, I'd buy one. Idk why everyone is all 'fuck troy'. Not my wife, not my problem
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