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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:43:26 AM EDT
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I love Texas, but there's too much fear of freedom here 
Also a lot of "I'm not going to do it, so I don't want it to be legal". Your fears have nothing to do with Texas, everything to do with being a progressive Republican/Conservative. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:47:32 AM EDT
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The legislature in general should follow the will of the people. Republicans. 
You guys are literally gonna be the death of this once great country. 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 4:15:07 AM EDT
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I will be shocked if this doesn't become law.
I'm especially laughing at the "Texan gun owners are a minority"...maybe in Austin, but not anywhere else. Everyone owns a gun, even people who don't ever shoot them have them. I literally do not one damned person who doesn't own at least one. Plus did y'all realize that our new Governor requested the legislation and so the Reps wrote it and he is going to sign it. I think a guy who just crushed his competition on an election and is fulfilling a campaign promise is following the will of the people. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 4:23:51 AM EDT
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On November 5 Breitbart News reported that Texas Governor-elect Greg Abbott (R) said he will sign an open carry handgun bill into law when legislators pass one and place it on his desk.
By November 11, state representative James White (R-Woodville) answered the call and put forth HB 164--a bill which would give everyone with a concealed carry permit the option to carry their handguns openly if they so choose. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 4:29:29 AM EDT
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all i hear is 'but but freedom is haaarrrrddd'
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:11:34 AM EDT
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Your fears have nothing to do with Texas, everything to do with being a progressive Republican/Conservative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love Texas, but there's too much fear of freedom here
Also a lot of "I'm not going to do it, so I don't want it to be legal". Your fears have nothing to do with Texas, everything to do with being a progressive Republican/Conservative. What? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:41:12 AM EDT
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The 2015 Legislative Session has a two proposed bills that allow Open Carry. There may be more before the session is over. Problem isn't the anti gun crowd. The problem is a vocal group of gun owners who are too embarrassed to fight for the rights that the 2nd Amendment grants us. This is a RIGHTS issue. The 2nd Amendment grants us the right to keep and BEAR arms. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']I'm calling out the wishy washy gun owners, who are afraid to let their pride in the Constitution show, to stop looking for Christmas presents and 22lr in the back of their closet, come out and support TX 2nd Amendment Rights this session by supporting all the legislation that furthers our 2nd Amendment Rights including OC. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/570937_Texas_Gun_Legislation___2015_84th_Session.html [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'][div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']OC, and other legislation concern our RIGHTS. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']You support the right to keep and bear arms and will fight for these rights or you don't. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']This isn't a TACTICAL or Personal Preference discussion. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']45 acp vs 9mm, Shotgun vs Carbine, Open Carry vs Concealed Carry are examples of TACTICAL Decisions or PERSONAL Preferences. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']The confusion between Rights, Tactical and Personal Preferences is dividing our house and we are not presenting a unified front. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']Can't believe I need to say this. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. I'm here in WI a couple of years temp. Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:50:02 AM EDT
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If y'all don't want open carry it is cool. Even demos in Texas support it. The video is our new Governor be sure and watch till the end. I'm wondering how do y'all suppose this became an issue that they both publicly took a stand on? Think it was because they thought the people who wanted it were "fucking retards"?
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20140206-wendy-davis-joins-greg-abbott-in-supporting-open-carry-gun-law.ece 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:06:09 AM EDT
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Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 2015 Legislative Session has a two proposed bills that allow Open Carry. There may be more before the session is over. Problem isn't the anti gun crowd. The problem is a vocal group of gun owners who are too embarrassed to fight for the rights that the 2nd Amendment grants us. This is a RIGHTS issue. The 2nd Amendment grants us the right to keep and BEAR arms. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']I'm calling out the wishy washy gun owners, who are afraid to let their pride in the Constitution show, to stop looking for Christmas presents and 22lr in the back of their closet, come out and support TX 2nd Amendment Rights this session by supporting all the legislation that furthers our 2nd Amendment Rights including OC. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/570937_Texas_Gun_Legislation___2015_84th_Session.html [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'][div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']OC, and other legislation concern our RIGHTS. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']You support the right to keep and bear arms and will fight for these rights or you don't. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']This isn't a TACTICAL or Personal Preference discussion. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']45 acp vs 9mm, Shotgun vs Carbine, Open Carry vs Concealed Carry are examples of TACTICAL Decisions or PERSONAL Preferences. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']The confusion between Rights, Tactical and Personal Preferences is dividing our house and we are not presenting a unified front. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']Can't believe I need to say this. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. I'm here in WI a couple of years temp. Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... Wtf?
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:45:19 AM EDT
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Yay for my 2nd Amendment rights!
Fuck you and your private property rights! |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:55:25 AM EDT
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Until we need it. Then it'll be pointless to try and get the right back. By the way. Find any Christmas presents in your closet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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open carry is pointless. By the way. Find any Christmas presents in your closet? I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them
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Posted: 11/15/2014 8:09:05 AM EDT
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I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them
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open carry is pointless. By the way. Find any Christmas presents in your closet? I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them
carry on with your love fest
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them carry on with your love fest Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: open carry is pointless. By the way. Find any Christmas presents in your closet? I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them carry on with your love fest There will be blood in the streets, won't there Mr. Bloomberg?  |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:05:36 AM EDT
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Yep, as these closet gun owners try to scare\embarrass us away from our rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before Fatty and Snowboots memes. Maybe you should move to Texas. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:15:50 AM EDT
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Someday, I'm going to see an OC "activist" at a match or training class.
Oh wait....no, I'm not. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:20:23 AM EDT
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OC?
Boys, you're scaring the straights, okay? 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:22:55 AM EDT
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Where I a ghetto boy, and needed a gun real quick, I'd just walk up behind an OCer and split his fucking head open with a baseball bat.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:30:32 AM EDT
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Where I a ghetto boy, and needed a gun real quick, I'd just walk up behind an OCer and split his fucking head open with a baseball bat. And yet that keeps not happening anywhere. Seems all the ghetto boys are of a higher moral character than yourself. Pity. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:40:36 AM EDT
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I'll never understand the gun culture in Texas. We embrace our right to own guns but when the concept of open carry comes up, the general gun-owning population wants nothing to do with this. Perhaps you need better spokesmen. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:44:33 AM EDT
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Yay for my 2nd Amendment rights! Fuck you and your private property rights! The second one is lost and getting worse in Texas. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:47:00 AM EDT
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OK, let's talk about it. It seems to me the image problem is only a concern to some gun owners. The rest of the public really doesn't give a shit. If you go up and ask 10 random people on the street if they think the open carry people have an image problem, you are probably going to get 8 of them giving you a dumb look, and saying, Huh? ' Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one on the OC side wants to talk about the 400lb image problem it seems.  OK, let's talk about it. It seems to me the image problem is only a concern to some gun owners. The rest of the public really doesn't give a shit. If you go up and ask 10 random people on the street if they think the open carry people have an image problem, you are probably going to get 8 of them giving you a dumb look, and saying, Huh? ' If you think there isn't a difference between these two pictures and the perception of the people in them, nobody here can help you. 
You didn't see painted up men in thongs kissing when they were testifying in front of Congress on gay marriage, did you? OCT needs to clean themselves up, shave, wear nice clothes, don't carry at low ready (really, wtf) and you might see a difference in what people think about OC. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:49:57 AM EDT
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I want the option for open carry, if I can be "allowed" to conceal carry then what difference does it make?
I work in downtown Austin near the Capitol. I see guys wearing nice clothes open carrying all the time. No outward badges or anything and nobody freaks out. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 10:12:03 AM EDT
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I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them
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I see no point in open carry, all your doing is announcing to everyone hey I have a gun look at me. We already have concealed carry which is the better mode of carry when out in public. I can hardly what till all the man with a gun calls start rolling in it is going to fun being all over you tube by idiots filming every time and officer waves at them
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I love Texas, but there's too much fear of freedom here
Also a lot of "I'm not going to do it, so I don't want it to be legal".  Don't like OC? Then don't do it. Simple. But it should not be a crime for someone who feels differently.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 10:55:36 AM EDT
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If you think there isn't a difference between these two pictures and the perception of the people in them, nobody here can help you. http://blog.rtba.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Chipotle-Gun-Ban-open-carry.jpg?baf4c0 https://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-visit-014.jpg You didn't see painted up men in thongs kissing when they were testifying in front of Congress on gay marriage, did you? OCT needs to clean themselves up, shave, wear nice clothes, don't carry at low ready (really, wtf) and you might see a difference in what people think about OC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one on the OC side wants to talk about the 400lb image problem it seems. OK, let's talk about it. It seems to me the image problem is only a concern to some gun owners. The rest of the public really doesn't give a shit. If you go up and ask 10 random people on the street if they think the open carry people have an image problem, you are probably going to get 8 of them giving you a dumb look, and saying, Huh? ' If you think there isn't a difference between these two pictures and the perception of the people in them, nobody here can help you. http://blog.rtba.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Chipotle-Gun-Ban-open-carry.jpg?baf4c0 https://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-visit-014.jpg You didn't see painted up men in thongs kissing when they were testifying in front of Congress on gay marriage, did you? OCT needs to clean themselves up, shave, wear nice clothes, don't carry at low ready (really, wtf) and you might see a difference in what people think about OC. Take a good look at the top pic. On the right side, about halfway down are 3 people standing in a line. None of them have the look of alarm on their faces. Wonder why? Maybe they are the general public and really don't care. How do you know these people from OCT always carry at low ready? Is it because you saw one pic? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 10:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My biggest problem is that I have a very limited conversational window to convince a fence sitter. I have to spend precious minutes doing damage control around the OCT fucktards...minutes I could spend making common sense points. Fuck be upon those assholes and all of the damage they did. Texans in general are overwhelmingly pro gun, but the attention whores poisoned the open carry well to a terrible degree. But also I am not good at being a spokes person. To often it comes down to "because fuck you that's why" so I try to keep it short and logical. I want open carry and do not want to hurt the effort. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 10:58:47 AM EDT
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I will be shocked if this doesn't become law. I'm especially laughing at the "Texan gun owners are a minority"...maybe in Austin, but not anywhere else. Everyone owns a gun, even people who don't ever shoot them have them. I literally do not one damned person who doesn't own at least one. Plus did y'all realize that our new Governor requested the legislation and so the Reps wrote it and he is going to sign it. I think a guy who just crushed his competition on an election and is fulfilling a campaign promise is following the will of the people. While many Texans are gun owners, many of them are politically apathetic gun owners. Our NRA and TSRA numbers are dismal, not many call or write legislators, fewer show up to meet with their congressmen or testify at hearings. OC had a very good chance to become law this session, but the negative attention OCT has brought is going to make it a more difficult thing. If we get enough gun owners interested in actually reaching out to our congress critters, that may not matter but it's still going to be a fight this year. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:01:42 AM EDT
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I'm moving to Texas in <5 years.
Coming from Pennsylvania, where we have OC. OC is important, not for OC itself, but to provide a layer of protection against allegations of "printing" or accidental display. Having an OC law totally removes this from the picture. Please, do what you can to support it there. It's for the children...... |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:03:18 AM EDT
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OC is important, not for OC itself, but to provide a layer of protection against allegations of "printing" or accidental display. printing and accidental exposure are not a crime here. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:08:29 AM EDT
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The problem is, you are in a tautological loop. The guys doing open carry of long arms are a self-selected group of people who don't care what others think. People who don't care what others think, don't LOOK like they care what others think. You are wishing for something that will not happen, well, until your nicely dressed and I am sure very handsome and not overweight hiney gets out there and participates too. The reason those guys look bad, is that you aren't out there doing it too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand that. I want them to get OC passed. My post was more "how to not look like a tard and lose support." You can carry a rifle and not look like a tard. Snuffy and snowboots pretty much did everything wrong, and they are going to come back to haunt TX again with their amateur-hour stunt. The guys doing open carry of long arms are a self-selected group of people who don't care what others think. People who don't care what others think, don't LOOK like they care what others think. You are wishing for something that will not happen, well, until your nicely dressed and I am sure very handsome and not overweight hiney gets out there and participates too. The reason those guys look bad, is that you aren't out there doing it too. 1) I dress well in comparison to people in my area. Nobody around here besides lawyers/doctors/office wears business attire. 2) I'm not overweight 3) I have OC'd. put your butt-hurt away. we want the same thing. but go ahead and continue to use emotion, I'm sure that will get you a long way. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:15:33 AM EDT
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I am not opposed to open carry, either of handguns or long guns. I would like to see open carry of handguns pass. That said, the constitution of The Great State of Texas gives our legislature the power to regulate the wearing of arms. I am not in favor of regulating the wearing of arms, but I am less in favor of interlopers who don't live in Texas injecting themselves into our affairs. I don't tell you how to make cheese or deal with unions, so don't tell me what Texas should or shouldn't do with it's gun laws. Our state, our say. Texas for Texans! Check my response above before the name calling. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why should I care what somebody from WI thinks I should be doing any more than I care was someone in France thinks the US should be doing? A valid question. I am not opposed to open carry, either of handguns or long guns. I would like to see open carry of handguns pass. That said, the constitution of The Great State of Texas gives our legislature the power to regulate the wearing of arms. I am not in favor of regulating the wearing of arms, but I am less in favor of interlopers who don't live in Texas injecting themselves into our affairs. I don't tell you how to make cheese or deal with unions, so don't tell me what Texas should or shouldn't do with it's gun laws. Our state, our say. Texas for Texans! Check my response above before the name calling. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. This Surprised more of you don't know the story behind the battle he fought. He's done more for our rights than the majority of us have. Go find the story of him getting arrested for carrying a "illegal" knife in the capital building and him fighting it and then tell him he dosent have a right to talk about Texas gun laws. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:21:27 AM EDT
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I'm gonna buy a fancy leather belt and holsters and two .45 long colts when it passes. I know your probably kidding but I actually can't wait to see some of these rigs people will wear. You know it will happen. It's Texas dammit. 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:23:36 AM EDT
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OC is important, not for OC itself, but to provide a layer of protection against allegations of "printing" or accidental display. printing and accidental exposure are not a crime here. But can they be used as reasons to stop, detain, harass, or otherwise push panic buttons that will interfere with you? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:49:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you have Fatty and Snowboots fuck shit it, it sets a bad example. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I call bullshit. Prove it with already open carrying legal states. Excellent example of someone who doesn't understand that OC of a handgun is illegal in TX. When you have Fatty and Snowboots fuck shit it, it sets a bad example. You're really ashamed enough, because of a photograph of two guys holding guns, that you choose to hide behind it and let others trounce our rights? I personally want everyone to carry how they see fit along with dress how they want to. The issue is that public image and public relations are a huge part of this fight. Some just don't get it. That is why for major Supreme Court Cases take a while because not every Tom, Dick, and Harry isn't good. The lawyers look for someone that has a clean background, isn't a freak, speaks well, has an issue that can be understood by the masses, etc... |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:51:39 AM EDT
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Most gun owners think the 2nd amendment protects the hunting rifles. Stupid fucks.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 12:49:09 PM EDT
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The 2015 Legislative Session has a two proposed bills that allow Open Carry. There may be more before the session is over. Problem isn't the anti gun crowd. The problem is a vocal group of gun owners who are too embarrassed to fight for the rights that the 2nd Amendment grants us. This is a RIGHTS issue. The 2nd Amendment grants us the right to keep and BEAR arms. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']I'm calling out the wishy washy gun owners, who are afraid to let their pride in the Constitution show, to stop looking for Christmas presents and 22lr in the back of their closet, come out and support TX 2nd Amendment Rights this session by supporting all the legislation that furthers our 2nd Amendment Rights including OC. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/570937_Texas_Gun_Legislation___2015_84th_Session.html [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'][div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']OC, and other legislation concern our RIGHTS. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']You support the right to keep and bear arms and will fight for these rights or you don't. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']This isn't a TACTICAL or Personal Preference discussion. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']45 acp vs 9mm, Shotgun vs Carbine, Open Carry vs Concealed Carry are examples of TACTICAL Decisions or PERSONAL Preferences. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']The confusion between Rights, Tactical and Personal Preferences is dividing our house and we are not presenting a unified front. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']Can't believe I need to say this. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. I'm here in WI a couple of years temp. Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... Wtf? You heard me, the vast majority of OC folks are Walter Mitty-esque mouth breathers, looking to show off. They don't have a clue as to what they are doing and they are actively hurting the 2A cause... If you are aware that I am carrying, you won't be for long, because I am busy shooting you. <sigh>... wait, let me break that down for you Barney style; it means that when I carry, I do so concealed, and only display my pistol when it is being unholstered to be used... |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 2:54:18 PM EDT
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OC had a very good chance to become law this session, but the negative attention OCT has brought is going to make it a more difficult thing. If we get enough gun owners interested in actually reaching out to our congress critters, that may not matter but it's still going to be a fight this year. Damn I hate that I am having to defend those guys, but tell me about Rick Perry talking about OC. Why all of a sudden did both of the gubernatorial candidates feel the need to openly state their position on OC? in my 50 years in Texas, I have NEVER heard it until this year. Why is that? I think I know, but you tell me what you think happened to make this a campaign issue? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 2:56:36 PM EDT
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in my 50 years in Texas, I have NEVER heard it until this year. Why is that? Because you weren't paying attention in 2011 or 2013 when there was an Open Carry bill introduced? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 2:58:12 PM EDT
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in my 50 years in Texas, I have NEVER heard it until this year. Why is that? Because you weren't paying attention in 2011 or 2013 when there was an Open Carry bill introduced? The Governor openly stated his position on this issue during campaign stumps? That is the context you know. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:01:27 PM EDT
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Come on y'all.
What happened that made both candidates come out in the media and support OC. Especially since the demo girl, whatever her name was openly broke with her party over the issue. That sound like something they would do if they thought "only retards" supported it? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:01:59 PM EDT
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in my 50 years in Texas, I have NEVER heard it until this year. Why is that? Because you weren't paying attention in 2011 or 2013 when there was an Open Carry bill introduced? The Governor openly stated his position on this issue during campaign stumps? That is the context you know. And the work people did in 2011 and 2013 to pass an open carry bill had zero impact on their decision to address the issue, it was purely because of OCT? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:08:01 PM EDT
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And the work people did in 2011 and 2013 to pass an open carry bill had zero impact on their decision to address the issue, it was purely because of OCT? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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in my 50 years in Texas, I have NEVER heard it until this year. Why is that? Because you weren't paying attention in 2011 or 2013 when there was an Open Carry bill introduced? The Governor openly stated his position on this issue during campaign stumps? That is the context you know. And the work people did in 2011 and 2013 to pass an open carry bill had zero impact on their decision to address the issue, it was purely because of OCT? I asked you a question. I repeated the question and you are still dodging it? I have no idea if something other than the "OCT tards" as they are described here caused this. Is it your position that those failed bills received enough support to force a demo candidate to break from her party in an effort to garner votes from Texas gun owners? That is a damned interesting perspective. I would like to hear more about it.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:12:24 PM EDT
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Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 2015 Legislative Session has a two proposed bills that allow Open Carry. There may be more before the session is over. Problem isn't the anti gun crowd. The problem is a vocal group of gun owners who are too embarrassed to fight for the rights that the 2nd Amendment grants us. This is a RIGHTS issue. The 2nd Amendment grants us the right to keep and BEAR arms. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']I'm calling out the wishy washy gun owners, who are afraid to let their pride in the Constitution show, to stop looking for Christmas presents and 22lr in the back of their closet, come out and support TX 2nd Amendment Rights this session by supporting all the legislation that furthers our 2nd Amendment Rights including OC. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/570937_Texas_Gun_Legislation___2015_84th_Session.html [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'][div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']OC, and other legislation concern our RIGHTS. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']You support the right to keep and bear arms and will fight for these rights or you don't. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']This isn't a TACTICAL or Personal Preference discussion. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']45 acp vs 9mm, Shotgun vs Carbine, Open Carry vs Concealed Carry are examples of TACTICAL Decisions or PERSONAL Preferences. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']The confusion between Rights, Tactical and Personal Preferences is dividing our house and we are not presenting a unified front. [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;'] [div style='font-size: 10.6666669845581px;']Can't believe I need to say this. I was born in lived in and fought for rights in TX. I'm here in WI a couple of years temp. Okay, I'm just going to come out and say it: Open Carry advocates are just flat out retards. Yes, it's a right, but overall, you are doing WAY more harm to the 2A cause than good, you are making all gun owners look like the retards that you are, so stop it. Open carry has it's place, but it's not in Denny's, 'k? If you are walking your back 40, out in the woods in bear or rattler country, sure, I'm right there with you. Most of you retards (get the idea?) are just billboards shouting "free gun" to any thug that cares when they see you walking around, fresh from your mommie's basement. Get a fucking life... With allies like you, who needs enemies? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:25:36 PM EDT
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I asked you a question. I repeated the question and you are still dodging it? I have no idea if something other than the "OCT tards" as they are described here caused this. Is it your position that those failed bills received enough support to force a demo candidate to break from her party in an effort to garner votes from Texas gun owners? That is a damned interesting perspective. I would like to here more about it. You're drawing the completely wrong conclusion, and it is really making me scratch my head. 1) Taking anything from Abortion Barbie seriously...lol 2) Greg Abbott publicly expressed his support for open carry in January of 2013. He supports open carry and campus carry because he's a pro gun guy, not because of anything OCT did. OCT, by the way was founded in June of 2013....a full 6 months AFTER Greg Abbott publicly endorsed open carry. Does that answer your question? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:40:55 PM EDT
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Open Carry is much more important than our national debt, interventionism, and the domestic surveillance issues according to the "freedom fighters" in this thread. I mean, not being able to open carry is much more important than reforming the tax code. IT'S ABOUT FREEDUMB AND NOTHING ELSE IS AS IMPORTANT
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:45:33 PM EDT
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Open Carry is much more important than our national debt, interventionism, and the domestic surveillance issues according to the "freedom fighters" in this thread. I mean, not being able to open carry is much more important than reforming the tax code. IT'S ABOUT FREEDUMB AND NOTHING ELSE IS AS IMPORTANT Exactly what is the State legislature of Texas supposed to do about the Federal national debt, the US military's involvment in other nations, and Federal domestic surveillance? What is the Texas legislature supposed to do about the Federal tax code? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:46:44 PM EDT
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Take a good look at the top pic. On the right side, about halfway down are 3 people standing in a line. None of them have the look of alarm on their faces. Wonder why? Maybe they are the general public and really don't care. How do you know these people from OCT always carry at low ready? Is it because you saw one pic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one on the OC side wants to talk about the 400lb image problem it seems. OK, let's talk about it. It seems to me the image problem is only a concern to some gun owners. The rest of the public really doesn't give a shit. If you go up and ask 10 random people on the street if they think the open carry people have an image problem, you are probably going to get 8 of them giving you a dumb look, and saying, Huh? ' If you think there isn't a difference between these two pictures and the perception of the people in them, nobody here can help you. http://blog.rtba.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Chipotle-Gun-Ban-open-carry.jpg?baf4c0 https://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-visit-014.jpg You didn't see painted up men in thongs kissing when they were testifying in front of Congress on gay marriage, did you? OCT needs to clean themselves up, shave, wear nice clothes, don't carry at low ready (really, wtf) and you might see a difference in what people think about OC. Take a good look at the top pic. On the right side, about halfway down are 3 people standing in a line. None of them have the look of alarm on their faces. Wonder why? Maybe they are the general public and really don't care. How do you know these people from OCT always carry at low ready? Is it because you saw one pic? Where did I say they always do? Please quote me. Although they certainly seem to like to pose in that position. Google images open carry texas. Fully half of the pics the rifles are slung in the front. But by all means, let's distract from the view people who DO care take of the imbeciles pictured above. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:49:52 PM EDT
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You're drawing the completely wrong conclusion, and it is really making me scratch my head. 1) Taking anything from Abortion Barbie seriously...lol 2) Greg Abbott publicly expressed his support for open carry in January of 2013. He supports open carry and campus carry because he's a pro gun guy, not because of anything OCT did. OCT, by the way was founded in June of 2013....a full 6 months AFTER Greg Abbott publicly endorsed open carry. Does that answer your question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I asked you a question. I repeated the question and you are still dodging it? I have no idea if something other than the "OCT tards" as they are described here caused this. Is it your position that those failed bills received enough support to force a demo candidate to break from her party in an effort to garner votes from Texas gun owners? That is a damned interesting perspective. I would like to here more about it. You're drawing the completely wrong conclusion, and it is really making me scratch my head. 1) Taking anything from Abortion Barbie seriously...lol 2) Greg Abbott publicly expressed his support for open carry in January of 2013. He supports open carry and campus carry because he's a pro gun guy, not because of anything OCT did. OCT, by the way was founded in June of 2013....a full 6 months AFTER Greg Abbott publicly endorsed open carry. Does that answer your question? Dude. No that does not answer anything. If only retards support OC, why did Abbott publicly endorse it? Forget OCTexas. Forget them in this conversation. Are you wanting us to believe that the candidates for Texas Governor BOTH decided to just come up with "hey, I want to carry my gun unconcealed, so I'm going to make public statement about this", when no candidate in history has ever made statements about a personal belief they held deep convictions about, especially if only "retards" support this. Isn't it way more likely that they thought that gun owners like myself believe that it is wrong for Texas to restrict how a Texan chooses to excersize his right to keep and bear arms? Isn't it likely instead of thinking that the people who brought the issue to the news weren't the people they were targeting? Take away your bias against these guys and realize you just said most Texas gun owners are apathetic to guns. That is true...up until they feel someone is going to restrict them in some way. Just because you don't see Texans marching on issues, we have a long history of throwing anti-gun politicians out of office. Ann Richards being one. She was pro-gun ( in the typical Fudd fashion), but underestimated that reaction of Texans when the government want to restrict a gun right. It is culture. Only guys like people here thought the OC guys were tards. Normal voting Texans thought: " What is the difference does it make in between concealed and open and why does Texas let people carry a gun, but forbid it being in the open? That don't make sense. People have the same gun either way. Texas is being stupid so let's fix it. Hell yes I will support that." They didn't shoot the messenger like much of ARF does. Culture. There are plenty of voters who carried guns to school in their trucks and had them displayed in the back window in the parking lot of the school. Not everyone is scared of a gun. That is something that clearly happens, but not typically to the average Texas voter outside of Austin and maybe Dallas and Houston. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:55:41 PM EDT
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Come on y'all. What happened that made both candidates come out in the media and support OC. Especially since the demo girl, whatever her name was openly broke with her party over the issue. That sound like something they would do if they thought "only retards" supported it? I took that to mean you were saying OCT made a positive contibution to this fight because now candidates are talking about it. My response was that the push from Texas gun owners in the last several sessions had more to do with why they were addressing the issue than anything OCT has done. In addition, Greg Abbott coming out in support before OCT even formed is another example of the fact OCT isn't the reason this has become an issue. Did I misinterpret your first point? What were you trying to say here? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 4:18:10 PM EDT
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Looks like we are talking past each other. Here was your original post: I took that to mean you were saying OCT made a positive contibution to this fight because now candidates are talking about it. My response was that the push from Texas gun owners in the last several sessions had more to do with why they were addressing the issue than anything OCT has done. In addition, Greg Abbott coming out in support before OCT even formed is another example of the fact OCT isn't the reason this has become an issue. Did I misinterpret your first point? What were you trying to say here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Come on y'all. What happened that made both candidates come out in the media and support OC. Especially since the demo girl, whatever her name was openly broke with her party over the issue. That sound like something they would do if they thought "only retards" supported it? I took that to mean you were saying OCT made a positive contibution to this fight because now candidates are talking about it. My response was that the push from Texas gun owners in the last several sessions had more to do with why they were addressing the issue than anything OCT has done. In addition, Greg Abbott coming out in support before OCT even formed is another example of the fact OCT isn't the reason this has become an issue. Did I misinterpret your first point? What were you trying to say here? It is all of it. The culture issue of "it is stupid to restrict open and allow concealed", the culture of hating restrictions on guns, and probably a little bit of obama to boot. Then there were videos of DPS officers arresting citizens protesting the law and getting arrested for it even though they broke no law. There was a lot of news that happened that tipped this into a campaign issue. Did the OCtexas guys help? I don't know. They clearly did not hurt, because this is ALL new stuff here. This is totally different for Texas. What many don't understand is that when I was first a voter. I was a gun issue only voter like many of you. I've mellowed because I know now that there are other issues besides guns. They are still really high in priority to me, but the climate is now like sitting on a beach in Tahiti vs back then when it was like being on Neptune. When I bought my first handgun, I immediately broke Texas law. Every single gun purchaser did. The laws regarding the possession of handguns were so draconian that there was no provision to transport a gun to your home that you just bought at a gunstore. Think about that and then look at where we are today. A lot of middle aged guys are like me and remember that stuff and those days. None of us are tards, I assure you. I sure as hell don't think a bunch of kids peacefully protesting what they feel should be their right are tards. I just don't. I know where we were at and I support all attempts to keep us moving in the right direction. People who hurt the gun movement are criminals shooting people. If your attitude is that simple protestors are hurting your belief de jour, you need to reevaluate what you feel you are wanting to accomplish, no matter how much you don't like how the protestors look.
I hope that wasn't too rambling. Texts and phone calls in between kinda made me wafer a bit.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 4:21:49 PM EDT
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Open Carry is much more important than our national debt, interventionism, and the domestic surveillance issues according to the "freedom fighters" in this thread. I mean, not being able to open carry is much more important than reforming the tax code. IT'S ABOUT FREEDUMB AND NOTHING ELSE IS AS IMPORTANT Exactly what is the State legislature of Texas supposed to do about the Federal national debt, the US military's involvment in other nations, and Federal domestic surveillance? What is the Texas legislature supposed to do about the Federal tax code? I'm sorry, I was talking about the guys in here derping away about OC. I did not once mention the Texas legislature; rather I was laughing at these guys that think OC is so goddamned important. As far as I'm concerned the OC "activists" and Shannon Watts can go to sea and never come back. They seem to need each other. |
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