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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:40:51 PM EDT
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Because I have values, and morals. Four pages deep and this probably sums it up best. ETA - make that five pages now |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:44:01 PM EDT
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Number 2 of course, but how do propose doing such given we don't have control over everything someone says? I expect the liberal media to capitalize on it, what I find perplexing is that so many so called conservative minded folks or self described anti-liberals/leftists or whatever you want to use to describe them here seem to take great joy in repeating these manufactured narratives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm frankly surprised by the responses in this thread. Unless a huge free-the-weed rally or streaming video of Ron Paul been canonized has drawn the thirpers away from GD, it appears there's a very slim chance that the country may avoid the horror of a Hillabeth presidency. This, of course, remains contingent on convincing Republican politicians to stop saying retarded shit in public and the socons to support a small government, fiscally conservative, socially moderate candidate. To be honest, I'm not hopeful. People are people, and all politicians say retarded shit. What matters is what the press runs with. Let me ask you a question: which do you consider a more effective strategy for winning elections: 1) Whining about liberal bias in the press, or 2) Convincing Republican pols to not say retarded shit in public? Number 2 of course, but how do propose doing such given we don't have control over everything someone says? I expect the liberal media to capitalize on it, what I find perplexing is that so many so called conservative minded folks or self described anti-liberals/leftists or whatever you want to use to describe them here seem to take great joy in repeating these manufactured narratives. A careful reading of my post will reveal that I used the word "convince" rather than "order". I would propose doing such the same way anyone is convinced to not do retarded shit: by demonstrating that doing retarded shit is not in their best interests. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:00:34 PM EDT
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I definitely don't identify myself as a Republican, but I frequently vote Republican. I value electoral victories over the satisfaction of knowing I cast a protest vote for the "Free the Weed" candidate while some Democrat enjoys the opportunity to hold office and send the nation further down the toilet.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat. I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged. You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're free to not have an abortion. If you like your fetus, you can keep your fetus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The libertarian party supports abortion .... No they don't. It's in their platform. Yes they do. You're free to not have an abortion. If you like your fetus, you can keep your fetus. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:16:20 PM EDT
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I neither.............................. I'm a strict Constitutional Conservative.
ETA: Who votes for Republicans because they are the lesser of two evils and hey, every once in a great while, they are conservative too. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:21:10 PM EDT
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Because libertarians don't win elections.
We've done this shit before - It got us what we have now. /thread. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:27:32 PM EDT
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In a word? Abortion.
I respect the rights of all individuals, whether or not they're wrapped in a flesh-sack... |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:00:04 AM EDT
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Serious question. If you are a republican instead of a libertarian.. Why? What exactly is it that makes you feel the Republican Party is the better route? Now don't get this twisted... I really don't care to hear why you think the libertarian party is the devil, I just am curious what exactly you feel you "gain" with the Republican Party over the libertarian. Granted that there really is no libertarian party to speak of, that's a whole different set of problems. I am a Republican because while I have become increasingly cynical with regards to being able to accomplish things politically through electoral means, the GOP still represents a greater potential vehicle for accomplishing Rightist ends than the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian Party can only siphon off those on the genuine Right who could influence the GOP and thus weaken the Right as a whole. I also am not a libertarian. While I may have some libertarian leanings, and am a Fusionist Conservative (and thus believe libertarians and conservatives should work hand-in-hand as partners rather than opponents given our common enemy and also that there are things from the libertarian side that make valuable additions to conservative political philosophy), there is still a large gulf between my beliefs and those of the typical libertarian (and even moreso with respect to the official party platform). This is especially the case on social issues and the libertarian tendency to eschew Federalism and desire national intervention for pet issues; also, foreign and immigration policy is a disaster as far as most libertarians are concerned (and certainly as the party is concerned). Then there is the tendency to run outright Leftist candidates that are whack jobs compared to the Left-leaning candidates the GOP sometimes runs. I just can't see how joining the LP would accomplish anything positive. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:02:38 AM EDT
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So it's just a vague statement that doesn't really define a political view at all. Nor does it necessarily match the candidate they vote for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm fiscally and socially conservative, with emphasis on the social part. Just about every libertarian I've ever talked to was NOT socially conservative. Therefore I wouldn't vote for one. This is an interesting statement considering the last two Republican Presidential Candidates. Apparently social conservative means anti-gay and anti-drug, but it doesn't mean anti-socialism. ETA: Might as well throw in GWB too, he was a good president but he raised social spending by creating the prescription drug benefit to medicare. His hat has a socialist feather in it too. Social conservative means different things to different people. Some social conservatives oppose most abortion. Some only oppose late term abortion and taxpayer funded abortion. Some opposes gay marriage while others only oppose special rights for gays. So it's just a vague statement that doesn't really define a political view at all. Nor does it necessarily match the candidate they vote for. It's a crappy political term, even moreso in the context of trying to divide people into "social vs. economic" views. Politics is just much too complicated for such simple divisions and descriptions. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:04:06 AM EDT
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You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat. I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged. You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. But leeching off of the Provider State is only one of several problems with mass immigration, especially from certain parts of the world. It's like the Libertarians are oblivious to such things, although given their foreign policy platform and the way they look at social issues, I suppose that shouldn't be surprising. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:21:25 AM EDT
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I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat. I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged. You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. I'm not a fan of the LPs tendency to build party planks that don't function in the world as it currently exists. But more than that, I wouldn't favor their immigration policy even if libertarians were running the whole government and we got everything we want. Maybe if the entire world was libertarian, free, and prosperous it wouldn't matter, but as things are I'm not even a fan of legal immigration. There's already way too many people for our infrastructure and many of the best places to live in this country are being ruined by it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 4:04:54 AM EDT
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Not true at all. Some of us are anarchists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because Libertarians are deaf, dumb and blind. Nothing but repressed anarchist-wanna-be's. Not true at all. Some of us are anarchists. 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 4:28:27 AM EDT
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Libertarians haven't proven their ability to actually get anything done. Their candidates typically seem much more interested in fund raising from the fringe instead of actually accomplishing something.
As far as issues go, they're wrong on Abortion, or at least how the party seems to approach the issue, and the neo-libertarian stance on foreign policy is retarded. Its like they don't understand that libertarianism only works when there is a central force ensuring that everyone plays by the rules. Guess what, we don't have that on a global scale, unless its us. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 4:47:40 AM EDT
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Because this is a "Republic" not a "Libertublic" or a "Democracy" - Because Republicans at least claim to hold the first principals of our founding as ideals to strive towards and adhere to whenever it's at all possible. However far they fall short, that position is better than, "Screw all that outdated stuff. Let's try this wacky shit here." - There are still a few (R)'s who have at least read Madison and Jefferson and understand the truth of it and why it's no less true today than then. Ocassionally they even actually govern that way, rather than the racing ass over tea kettle towards tyranny, anarchy and genocidal slippery-slopes you get from other parties.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 5:04:42 AM EDT
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Because this is a "Republic" not a "Libertublic" or a "Democracy" - Because Republicans at least claim to hold the first principals of our founding as ideals to strive towards and adhere to whenever it's at all possible. However far they fall short, that position is better than, "Screw all that outdated stuff. Let's try this wacky shit here." - There are still a few (R)'s who have at least read Madison and Jefferson and understand the truth of it and why it's no less true today than then. Ocassionally they even actually govern that way, rather than the racing ass over tea kettle towards tyranny, anarchy and genocidal slippery-slopes you get from other parties. So it's because you're totally delusional? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 5:36:28 AM EDT
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Well. I make it a point to stay out of political threads. And now after reading this one I see that a lot of this has been done before. For any retreading I apologize.
But I'd also like to say thnk you for all of the opinions even though most seemed to have missed the point about it not being a libertarian bash and more about the strengths and benefits to the Republican Party... but I think I got the gist and gathered the general idea. Appreciate all the responses. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 5:46:37 AM EDT
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Because this is a "Republic" not a "Libertublic" or a "Democracy" - Because Republicans at least claim to hold the first principals of our founding as ideals to strive towards and adhere to whenever it's at all possible. However far they fall short, that position is better than, "Screw all that outdated stuff. Let's try this wacky shit here." - There are still a few (R)'s who have at least read Madison and Jefferson and understand the truth of it and why it's no less true today than then. Ocassionally they even actually govern that way, rather than the racing ass over tea kettle towards tyranny, anarchy and genocidal slippery-slopes you get from other parties. So it's because you're totally delusional? No. It's just that I understand like Madison did that there has to be at least some government, and since I don't get to design and implement one all by my lonesome, I'll vote for the least worst one from the available choices. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:30:41 AM EDT
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Because they have a child like view of the way the world works
Because they say they believe in liberty but support abortion Because they think if they use the words "liberty", "freedom" and "constitution" repeatedly in a debate or one sentence they somehow win it no matter how ridiculous their position is Because they allow nutjobs as party candidates and say "we can't tell them what to think". 
Because literally EVERYTHING that happens is he result of a grand conspiracy led by "they" I could go on but I have to go somewhere Gr |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:35:23 AM EDT
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Because I understand the American political system. This, voting libertarian has only hurt the clause by insuring Democrat candidate gets elected in close elections. It is better to work within the Republican Party and get something instead of nothing. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:16:28 AM EDT
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor. Steve Bullock (D) 48.9% Rick Hill (R) 47.3% Ron Vandevender (L) 3.8% Thanks a lot.  I'll start voting Libertarian when the R and L numbers are reversed. Not before then. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:34:46 AM EDT
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Lesser of the 2 evils.
I would vote for another party ( not necessarily the libertarian party ) if there was a viable choice OP. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:39:08 AM EDT
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Because I understand the American political system. This and first post. It's that simple |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:50:47 AM EDT
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I vote libertarian for some positions on the local and state level.
If a good one gets in on the larger positions I would vote for them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:00:58 AM EDT
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What about us religious types? Do those of use that strictly adhere to the bible get a pass on abortion because of the 1st Amendment? I mean, the Old Testament does law out the rules of aborting babies, by clergy no less, so I reckon my clans religious freedoms outweigh your being a tyrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. What about us religious types? Do those of use that strictly adhere to the bible get a pass on abortion because of the 1st Amendment? I mean, the Old Testament does law out the rules of aborting babies, by clergy no less, so I reckon my clans religious freedoms outweigh your being a tyrant. With all due respect this is a blatant lie. Be so kind as to stop repeating it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:03:37 AM EDT
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I am both. But only one of those categories has a political party that can beat Democrats, so that's how I always vote.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:08:42 AM EDT
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................... It is obvious how many of them have embraced the left wing narrative about Republicans. They love to hype up these fake issues just like the Left does. No shortage of useful idiots it would seem. That is because, if there were no libertarian party, they would vote democrat. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:12:07 AM EDT
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. Another first post nailing it. We need the Green party, or the Anarchy party, or the Welfare party to take root, to dilute the Dems, before we splinter off on the Republican party. Common sense, and a rational understanding of numbers, and all. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:13:12 AM EDT
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I'm frankly surprised by the responses in this thread. Unless a huge free-the-weed rally or streaming video of Ron Paul been canonized has drawn the thirpers away from GD, it appears there's a very slim chance that the country may avoid the horror of a Hillabeth presidency. This, of course, remains contingent on convincing Republican politicians to stop saying retarded shit in public and the socons to support a small government, fiscally conservative, socially moderate candidate. To be honest, I'm not hopeful. It is certainly worth a try but I have come to the conclusion that libertarians might not really take more votes away from republicans............I am honestly beginning to think that at least 50 percent of them would vote democrat if there was no libertarian party. But to your larger point..........I agree........basically completely. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:14:36 AM EDT
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Another first post nailing it. We need the Green party, or the Anarchy party, or the Welfare party to take root, to dilute the Dems, before we splinter off on the Republican party. Common sense, and a rational understanding of numbers, and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. Another first post nailing it. We need the Green party, or the Anarchy party, or the Welfare party to take root, to dilute the Dems, before we splinter off on the Republican party. Common sense, and a rational understanding of numbers, and all. I'm tellin' you........I honestly think the libertarian vote dilutes the democrat party every bit as much as the republican party. I could be wrong but subjectively that is what I honestly believe based on what I see many of them post and the flavor of what many of them post...........so it is subjective and I cannot prove it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:15:18 AM EDT
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I don't smoke pot or espouse anarchist ideals.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:18:45 AM EDT
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. +1 |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:19:23 AM EDT
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I'm tellin' you........I honestly think the libertarian dilutes the democrat party every bit as much as the republican party. I could be wrong but subjectively that is what I honestly believe based on what I see many of them post and the flavor of what many of them post...........so it is subjective and I cannot prove it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. Another first post nailing it. We need the Green party, or the Anarchy party, or the Welfare party to take root, to dilute the Dems, before we splinter off on the Republican party. Common sense, and a rational understanding of numbers, and all. I'm tellin' you........I honestly think the libertarian dilutes the democrat party every bit as much as the republican party. I could be wrong but subjectively that is what I honestly believe based on what I see many of them post and the flavor of what many of them post...........so it is subjective and I cannot prove it. That may be what you see where you live, it's not what I see where I live. I'm not discounting your position, but that isn't how I see it here. And, unfortunately, there are a LOT of electoral votes up for grabs here. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:25:37 AM EDT
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............. That may be what you see where you live, it's not what I see where I live. I'm not discounting your position, but that isn't how I see it here. And, unfortunately, there are a LOT of electoral votes up for grabs here. Yeah, I admit my feeling is totally subjective and could be wrong. ETA: About the only objective thing I can remotely bring up, well it is still a bit subjective is..................aren't most libertarians young people? If so, most young people vote for democrats............so some get disgruntled and go for the libertarians.........which is good because they would have voted for democrats. I know..........convoluted crap but maybe? 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:54:21 AM EDT
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I'm tellin' you........I honestly think the libertarian vote dilutes the democrat party every bit as much as the republican party. I could be wrong but subjectively that is what I honestly believe based on what I see many of them post and the flavor of what many of them post...........so it is subjective and I cannot prove it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections. Another first post nailing it. We need the Green party, or the Anarchy party, or the Welfare party to take root, to dilute the Dems, before we splinter off on the Republican party. Common sense, and a rational understanding of numbers, and all. I'm tellin' you........I honestly think the libertarian vote dilutes the democrat party every bit as much as the republican party. I could be wrong but subjectively that is what I honestly believe based on what I see many of them post and the flavor of what many of them post...........so it is subjective and I cannot prove it. No one knows how a majority of people who vote for Libertarian party candidates would vote in the absence of those candidates. In fact, no one knows if the majority of them would bother to cast ballots if there were no Libertarian candidates. Despite that reality, it is an article of faith (that is, belief without proof) among some Republicans that the majority of people who vote for Libertarian candidates would vote for Republicans if the Libertarian candidate did not exist. Thus Libertarians are blamed by some if a Republican loses an election where a Libertarian is on the ballot. The truth is that some would vote Republican, some would vote Democrat and some would stay home. Shockingly  the proportions vary from election to election based on such boring fundamentals as how good the candidate's message is, how effective the candidate and the campaign are at conveying the message and the effectiveness of the campaign's GOTV effort (both identifying voters who are likely to support the candidate AND motivating them to cast a ballot).
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:00:58 AM EDT
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Serious question. If you are a republican instead of a libertarian.. Why? What exactly is it that makes you feel the Republican Party is the better route? I'd be willing to bet Jebus has something to do with it |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:02:39 AM EDT
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.............. No one knows how a majority of people who vote for Libertarian party candidates would vote in the absence of those candidates. In fact, no one knows if the majority of them would bother to cast ballots if there were no Libertarian candidates. Despite that reality, it is an article of faith (that is, belief without proof) among some Republicans that the majority of people who vote for Libertarian candidates would vote for Republicans if the Libertarian candidate did not exist. Thus Libertarians are blamed by some if a Republican loses an election where a Libertarian is on the ballot. The truth is that some would vote Republican, some would vote Democrat and some would stay home. Shockingly the proportions vary from election to election based on such boring fundamentals as how good the candidate's message is, how effective the candidate and the campaign are at conveying the message and the effectiveness of the campaign's GOTV effort (both identifying voters who are likely to support the candidate AND motivating them to cast a ballot).
Those facts are lost when one paints with a very broad brush. As usual.........good points. I really don't know objectively. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:09:22 AM EDT
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I wont join a party that has a plank that supports the legalization of drugs
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:24:23 AM EDT
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Because I understand the American political system. This. I'm 26. When I was young and naïve I either didn't vote in some elections (both candidates were bad) or voted for the independent or libertarian. Now that I know how it works/saw the assault on gun rights I'm ashamed that I threw away my vote. Never again. The way I look at it, in 99% of cases, a vote for anything other than the republican is a vote for gun control. Now mind you, I don't think that republicans are FOR gun rights, but I know that most of them can't be against them because of their constituents. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:26:17 AM EDT
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I'm a Christian conservative not an anarchist wannabe.
I don't hate everything, don't use pot, don't fantasize about how to start a Civil War or balkanize America, and prefer to live in the real world and work towards real conservative solutions. I don't see self-inflicted losers as that intelligent nor do I find any worthy of being a leader of anything. If Ron Paul is your poster child, you're a titanic loser without a life raft. I swore to protect and defend the Constitution not turn it into a fantasy abortion. Even Ann Rand couldn't take their BS and that is as far right as I'll go on an issue. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:27:58 AM EDT
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Because I don't wan't to see another Liberal Democrat Supreme Court Justice nominee. And I don't agree with isolationism. When America doesn't get involved in foreign policy, world wars will fester.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:33:13 AM EDT
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I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat. I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged. You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece. So what happens if the open borders piece is in place before the doing away with welfare piece is, as it absolutely would be? What would the big picture look like then? They can disbelieve in welfare all they want, but it is an integral part of the way America exists in the real word, and it will be until this country comes crashing down. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:34:42 AM EDT
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Libertarians take the approach that its a personal liberty position" I knoew this before I looked this up. 1.5 Abortion Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration. for a politcal party it kinda the right one really. it should go to the states. in the end those who choose to murder their child. will have to settle with God in the end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The libertarian party supports abortion .... No they don't. Libertarians take the approach that its a personal liberty position" I knoew this before I looked this up. 1.5 Abortion Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration. for a politcal party it kinda the right one really. it should go to the states. in the end those who choose to murder their child. will have to settle with God in the end. You might have a stronger argument if you argued people who object to fetal murder shouldn't be forced to pay for it. We both know that isn't going to happen. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:40:40 AM EDT
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I'm a member of the me ego party, there are millions of these parties. Not one will ever win anything but a circle jerk contest.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:51:17 AM EDT
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I vote Tea Party or Libertarian because I'm in it for a long term strategy.
The GOP is just as responsible for the state of our nation as Democrats. Who the fook do you think worked together for the last 75 years to get this nation to the point we're at now?? Keep voting GOP if you want more of the same. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:09:23 AM EDT
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I don't to waste my vote
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:30:47 AM EDT
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Granted that there really is no libertarian party to speak of, that's a whole different set of problems. No, that is pretty much THE problem with the Libertarian party. Look at Ron Paul, he is a past LP candidate and highly regarded by Libertarians. What party does he belong to? The LP doesn't vet their candidates for shit. If you have a pulse and any chance of getting them media coverage, the LP will run you as their nominee. You could campaign on forced confiscation of kittens to be fed into stomping machines via a 200% tax increase and the LP would nominate you if they thought you might finish with better than 10% of the vote. As an instrument for actually advancing libertarian thought in government, the LP has won something like 113 races nationwide since its inception in the 1970s - not a great record. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:54:47 AM EDT
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Because I have values, and morals. Do you? Do you really? From which part of voting for liars and theives do you form your sense of values, and morals? |
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