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Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:08:30 PM EDT
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I'm fiscally and socially conservative, with emphasis on the social part. Just about every libertarian I've ever talked to was NOT socially conservative. Therefore I wouldn't vote for one.
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This is an interesting statement considering the last two Republican Presidential Candidates.  Apparently social conservative means anti-gay and anti-drug, but it doesn't mean anti-socialism.

ETA: Might as well throw in GWB too, he was a good president but he raised social spending by creating the prescription drug benefit to medicare.  His hat has a socialist feather in it too.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

Thanks a lot.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:09:24 PM EDT
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Exactly this^
besides, the #1 priority of most libertarians is the legalization of dope and I'm not for that in any way, shape or form.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:11:20 PM EDT
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

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So R's deserve the vote of everyone who voted L?  Like they own them and shit?  
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:12:59 PM EDT
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Because libertarians are irrelevant. And I am not.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:14:26 PM EDT
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So R's deserve the vote of everyone who voted L?  Like they own them and shit?  
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

Thanks a lot.


So R's deserve the vote of everyone who voted L?  Like they own them and shit?  


I's pretty well know that libertarian candidates get the majority of their votes from people who would otherwise vote republican.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:14:49 PM EDT
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Yeah!! We can't have them gays getting equal rights!!!
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I'm fiscally and socially conservative, with emphasis on the social part. Just about every libertarian I've ever talked to was NOT socially conservative. Therefore I wouldn't vote for one.

Yeah!! We can't have them gays getting equal rights!!!

09er sheesh......
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:16:34 PM EDT
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Libertarians smoke dope.

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Good!  Dope is just like machine guns, no one needs them.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:16:34 PM EDT
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first and second post nails it.

As much as I do not care for RINOs...the level of contempt I hold for Democrats is behind measure.

Everything I love to do...EVERYTHING...is something that Democrats attempt to restrict, ban, stop, limit, whatever.  Cars, guns, fishing, hunting, lawn darts, loud music, fireworks, explosives, whatever...all that stuff...they jack with...constantly.

Then, they completely and royally screw up everything they touch...everything.

They are sympathetic to the enemies of this nation...and genome rally hold the view that "we have it coming" and that America is not hope for the world, but the worlds number 1 problem.

Fuck democrats.


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first and second post nails it.

As much as I do not care for RINOs...the level of contempt I hold for Democrats is behind measure.

Everything I love to do...EVERYTHING...is something that Democrats attempt to restrict, ban, stop, limit, whatever.  Cars, guns, fishing, hunting, lawn darts, loud music, fireworks, explosives, whatever...all that stuff...they jack with...constantly.

Then, they completely and royally screw up everything they touch...everything.

They are sympathetic to the enemies of this nation...and genome rally hold the view that "we have it coming" and that America is not hope for the world, but the worlds number 1 problem.

Fuck democrats.



This. I really have no idea why these types are in this country.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:17:22 PM EDT
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This is an interesting statement considering the last two Republican Presidential Candidates.  Apparently social conservative means anti-gay and anti-drug, but it doesn't mean anti-socialism.

ETA: Might as well throw in GWB too, he was a good president but he raised social spending by creating the prescription drug benefit to medicare.  His hat has a socialist feather in it too.
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I'm fiscally and socially conservative, with emphasis on the social part. Just about every libertarian I've ever talked to was NOT socially conservative. Therefore I wouldn't vote for one.


This is an interesting statement considering the last two Republican Presidential Candidates.  Apparently social conservative means anti-gay and anti-drug, but it doesn't mean anti-socialism.

ETA: Might as well throw in GWB too, he was a good president but he raised social spending by creating the prescription drug benefit to medicare.  His hat has a socialist feather in it too.


Social conservative means different things to different people.

Some social conservatives oppose most abortion. Some only oppose late term abortion and taxpayer funded abortion. Some opposes gay marriage while others only oppose special rights for gays.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:17:28 PM EDT
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Why not both?  If Republicans actually went to bat for limited government and personal freedom, it could be.
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No they don't.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:18:29 PM EDT
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I's pretty well know that libertarian candidates get the majority of their votes from people who would otherwise vote republican.
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

Thanks a lot.


So R's deserve the vote of everyone who voted L?  Like they own them and shit?  


I's pretty well know that libertarian candidates get the majority of their votes from people who would otherwise vote republican.


It's ASSUMED but since it's also asserted that L voters only care about dope how does that compute with them voting republican? It doesn't.  

Summary: It's a scapegoat excuse.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:04 PM EDT
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This and because I believe abortion is ABSOLUTLY wrong.
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This and because I believe abortion is ABSOLUTLY wrong.


What about us religious types?  Do those of use that strictly adhere to the bible get a pass on abortion because of the 1st Amendment?  I mean, the Old Testament does law out the rules of aborting babies, by clergy no less, so I reckon my clans religious freedoms outweigh your being a tyrant.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:34 PM EDT
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Social conservative means different things to different people.

Some social conservatives oppose most abortion. Some only oppose late term abortion and taxpayer funded abortion. Some opposes gay marriage while others only oppose special rights for gays.
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I'm fiscally and socially conservative, with emphasis on the social part. Just about every libertarian I've ever talked to was NOT socially conservative. Therefore I wouldn't vote for one.


This is an interesting statement considering the last two Republican Presidential Candidates.  Apparently social conservative means anti-gay and anti-drug, but it doesn't mean anti-socialism.

ETA: Might as well throw in GWB too, he was a good president but he raised social spending by creating the prescription drug benefit to medicare.  His hat has a socialist feather in it too.


Social conservative means different things to different people.

Some social conservatives oppose most abortion. Some only oppose late term abortion and taxpayer funded abortion. Some opposes gay marriage while others only oppose special rights for gays.


So it's just a vague statement that doesn't really define a political view at all. Nor does it necessarily match the candidate they vote for.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:52 PM EDT
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

Thanks a lot.
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Perhaps the RNC should be paying attention.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:22:20 PM EDT
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Yep. The republican party is a mix of socual and fiscal conservatives and libertarians.   The democrat party is a mixture of socialists and free shit army.  The libertarian party isnt going to divide the democrats it can easily divide the republicans.

 
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:22:28 PM EDT
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I's pretty well know that libertarian candidates get the majority of their votes from people who would otherwise vote republican.
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

Steve Bullock (D)        48.9%
Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

Thanks a lot.


So R's deserve the vote of everyone who voted L?  Like they own them and shit?  


I's pretty well know that libertarian candidates get the majority of their votes from people who would otherwise vote republican.


But, GD told me libertarians are just fallen liberals.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:23:31 PM EDT
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No they don't.
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No they don't.

Libertarians take the approach that its a personal liberty position" I knoew this before I looked this up.

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

for a politcal party it kinda the right one really.  it should go to the states. in the end those who choose to murder their child. will have to settle with God in the end.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:25:22 PM EDT
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I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat.


I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged.
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You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece.
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This and because I believe abortion is ABSOLUTLY wrong.
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections.
This and because I believe abortion is ABSOLUTLY wrong.


I'm sad to sad, but these are the things that make me shy away from calling myself a libertarian at times.



I'm all for liberty and a strict interpretation of the constitution.  I am 100% with liberarians when it comes to over-bearing government regulations.  I'll even concede the government should get their grimy little hands out of the marriage process beyond simply enforcing general contract law.  This would allow gay marriage, which I find detestable.  It would also allow polygamy or even marrying your computer.  But as a wise man once said "it doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg".



I can't fathom the legality of abortion as it is today - I believe abortion is murder and can only be just when it's a life-saving emergency procedure to save the life of the mother.  Which is pretty damn rare.



I can't fathom why anyone thinks open borders are a good idea.



Sadly, I really dislike most Republican candidates as well, they are rarely in favor of liberty, and simply the softer, gentler form of tyrannical leaders.



I honestly have considered whether I should bother voting for any candidate any longer.  Sometimes I just don't see the point.  If they are pro-liberty, they will lose.  If I were a wealthy man in today's world, I'd go Galt with a vengeance.



 
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first and second post nails it.




As much as I do not care for RINOs...the level of contempt I hold for Democrats is behind measure.




Everything I love to do...EVERYTHING...is something that Democrats attempt to restrict, ban, stop, limit, whatever.  Cars, guns, fishing, hunting, lawn darts, loud music, fireworks, explosives, whatever...all that stuff...they jack with...constantly.




Then, they completely and royally screw up everything they touch...everything.




They are sympathetic to the enemies of this nation...and genome rally hold the view that "we have it coming" and that America is not hope for the world, but the worlds number 1 problem.




Fuck democrats.








Quoted for posterity.  I like your style...







 
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:29:22 PM EDT
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It's in their platform.  Yes they do.
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No they don't.

It's in their platform.  Yes they do.


You're free to not have an abortion.  If you like your fetus, you can keep your fetus.
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections.
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Because I prefer beating Democrats rather than helping them win elections.


This.

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Because I understand the American political system.



And this.

A third party is going to fuck whichever party it more closely aligns with based on our current election process.  Until we require a simple majority I will vote for whatever party best serves my interests AND has a chance to win the election.  Like it or not, splitting up the conservative vote is certainly not helping us.
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Libertarians take the approach that its a personal liberty position" I knoew this before I looked this up.

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

for a politcal party it kinda the right one really.  it should go to the states. in the end those who choose to murder their child. will have to settle with God in the end.
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The libertarian party supports abortion ....



No they don't.

Libertarians take the approach that its a personal liberty position" I knoew this before I looked this up.

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

for a politcal party it kinda the right one really.  it should go to the states. in the end those who choose to murder their child. will have to settle with God in the end.


So they believe that late term abortion of a viable child should be legal. As if a couple hours of labor is the dividing line between murder and choice.
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It's in their platform.  Yes they do.
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No they don't.

It's in their platform.  Yes they do.


http://www.lp.org/platform#1.5

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
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I'm both.
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You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece.
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I'm not a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat.


I cant get behind the Libertarian's open borders position. Illegal immigration is far to damaging to this countryto be ignored or even encouraged.


You do realize that Libertarians only believe in open borders because they also do not believe in welfare. In the Libertarian utopia, Jose couldn't come here and leech tax dollars. You have to look at the big picture to understand each piece.


Being poor and unemployed in America will always be better than poor an unemplyed in Mexico, even without welfare.
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Why are you a statist at all?
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The biggest gripe i have with libertarians is their ideas on foreign policy.  The isolationist/non-interventionalist platform they run on is a bad idea.  Cause aint nobody going to lookout for the US's interests on the global stage other than the US.  Certainly not other global powers like Russia and China.
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http://www.lp.org/platform#1.5

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No they don't.

It's in their platform.  Yes they do.


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Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


No protections for unborn children is pro abortion IMO.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:38:31 PM EDT
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Because I am not dumb enough to waste my important vote for a symbolic candidate that has no hope of winning.
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What have federal Republicans done since Roe v Wade to protect unborn children?  Blocked some funding, which btw would be advocated as well by a libertarian.  They've really turned things around I tell ya!
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FPNI as usual.

Plus I am a social conservative and libertarians hold some views I do not share on several issues (immigration, defense policy etc.).
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So you are a libertarian



who votes Republican.
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What have federal Republicans done since Roe v Wade to protect unborn children?  Blocked some funding, which btw would be advocated as well by a libertarian.  They've really turned things around I tell ya!
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No protections for unborn children is pro abortion IMO.


What have federal Republicans done since Roe v Wade to protect unborn children?  Blocked some funding, which btw would be advocated as well by a libertarian.  They've really turned things around I tell ya!


Right now certain late term abortions are prohibited (mostly by states laws). Libertarians would lift those prohibitions if their platform is to be believed.
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Yep. The republican party is a mix of socual and fiscal conservatives and libertarians.   The democrat party is a mixture of socialists and free shit army.  The libertarian party isnt going to divide the democrats it can easily divide the republicans.  
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Yep. The republican party is a mix of socual and fiscal conservatives and libertarians.   The democrat party is a mixture of socialists and free shit army.  The libertarian party isnt going to divide the democrats it can easily divide the republicans.  


The Republican party is an alliance of anti-Democrats of varying degree and persuasions.
The Democrat party is an alliance of anti-Americans of varying degree and persuasions.
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Right now certain late term abortions are prohibited. Libertarians would lift those prohibitions if their platform is to be believed.
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No protections for unborn children is pro abortion IMO.


What have federal Republicans done since Roe v Wade to protect unborn children?  Blocked some funding, which btw would be advocated as well by a libertarian.  They've really turned things around I tell ya!


Right now certain late term abortions are prohibited. Libertarians would lift those prohibitions if their platform is to be believed.


If you believe that they are really prohibited I have a bridge for sale you can buy.  There's a thousand loopholes around it with even one mention of "health of the mother".  

You know where abortion is actually being slowed and stopped? At the state level in states that hold large numbers of pro-life voters.  Watch Tennessee on Tuesday amend their state constitution to make abortion more difficult, but still not impossible.

I too believe firmly in the right to life, however I choose for the laws to make sense. The federal government doesn't rightly have the power to dictate medical procedure, it's just that simple.
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The biggest gripe i have with libertarians is their ideas on foreign policy.  The isolationist/non-interventionalist platform they run on is a bad idea.  Cause aint nobody going to lookout for the US's interests on the global stage other than the US.  Certainly not other global powers like Russia and China.
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i'm gonna further add to my post saying that I have gripes with the republicans too, but I find that currently the republicans have the best chance of putting people in office that most closely represent my personal views.
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Not really.  Most of us honestly don't do that at all.  We just don't feel right hurting you if you want to.
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Not really.  Most of us honestly don't do that at all.  We just don't feel right hurting you if you want to.

So I can vote in the Republican primary.... now we want another wife, will you polygamy legal?
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This right here. You Libertarians sure want to show the hell out of the Republican Party.
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Because they are fucking idiots who spoil elections. Here's the results from our last election for Governor.

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Rick Hill (R)                 47.3%
Ron Vandevender (L)   3.8%

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This is a prime example.  Doper isolationists did this in the name of "freedom."  Rich, very rich.
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Most Libertarians I know cannot define the idiology of the party.  They claim to be a Libertarian simply to distance themselves from the Republican or Democratic parties even though they often share many beliefs with both parties.  A Libertarian is NOT someone who dislikes both the Republican or Democratic parties.  That;'s just a sign of intelligence.

On the whole, Libertarianism, at least based upon the most common interpretation, is a little to socially liberal for my tastes.

And...pie
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Because they are irrelevant.

And, as can be seen in this thread, the stupid fuckers seem way too happy when the democraps win as a result of their efforts.
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My beliefs are more libertarian but I am a Republican because I believe we can be more effective in an existing party with seated office-holders than we can trying to start a party from scratch.  

If a Libertarian gets elected, you've made a statement but he won't be able to get anything accomplished.  

Reality is a bitch.  
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Because they are irrelevant.

And, as can be seen in this thread, the stupid fuckers seem way too happy when the democraps win as a result of their efforts.
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Mainly this and there has never been a libertarian candidate that I would want to hold any office.


Basically, if libertarians were relevant, I'd vote for the lesser of three evils, Republicans.


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