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Posted: 3/25/2015 7:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankDrebin:
No offense, but whoever told you that sounds like they are full of shit. It is the DOJ handling the litigation and not the ATF's lawyers. It seems to me that the DOJ lawyers are over confident in their position given the fact that they had an opportunity to file a reply to the sur-reply and chose to say nothing. That is not the mark of someone running scared. That is the mark of someone being over confident. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By endofdays:
any word on the pa case? A little birdie I hear from on occasion who very familiar with the case said that the ATF is going to request a delay. Also that the ATF lawyers were impressed/shocked by the quality of the case presented. "Best case against us we've ever seen. We weren't ready for that." It has obviously got ATF very concerned that they can't come up with something to defend themselves with, if they are asking for more time. No offense, but whoever told you that sounds like they are full of shit. It is the DOJ handling the litigation and not the ATF's lawyers. It seems to me that the DOJ lawyers are over confident in their position given the fact that they had an opportunity to file a reply to the sur-reply and chose to say nothing. That is not the mark of someone running scared. That is the mark of someone being over confident. That was the TX Case. The response you quoted concerns the PA case (Watson V. Holder) |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 7:41:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrankDrebin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
That was the TX Case. The response you quoted concerns the PA case (Watson V. Holder) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By endofdays:
any word on the pa case? A little birdie I hear from on occasion who very familiar with the case said that the ATF is going to request a delay. Also that the ATF lawyers were impressed/shocked by the quality of the case presented. "Best case against us we've ever seen. We weren't ready for that." It has obviously got ATF very concerned that they can't come up with something to defend themselves with, if they are asking for more time. No offense, but whoever told you that sounds like they are full of shit. It is the DOJ handling the litigation and not the ATF's lawyers. It seems to me that the DOJ lawyers are over confident in their position given the fact that they had an opportunity to file a reply to the sur-reply and chose to say nothing. That is not the mark of someone running scared. That is the mark of someone being over confident. That was the TX Case. The response you quoted concerns the PA case (Watson V. Holder) It's the same DOJ attorney in both cases. The legal issues are substantially similar. 
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Posted: 3/25/2015 7:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
I'd buy an artist's rendering of NOLO mounting the the defense in a show of dominance  Only if XCR did it, and then I'd buy it!!! |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:11:46 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brich2929:
Nolo, Is the public allowed to attend these oral arguments? If be especially interested to attend the Philadelphia one. Has a date been set for Philadelphia? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:52:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyOrDeath76:
Has a date been set for Philadelphia? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyOrDeath76:
Originally Posted By brich2929:
Nolo, Is the public allowed to attend these oral arguments? If be especially interested to attend the Philadelphia one. Has a date been set for Philadelphia? PA case is waiting for the judge to rule on motions for leave to file. As soon as the judge rules on it, I will post it up. As of now, nothing is happening in PA except waiting. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankDrebin:
No offense, but whoever told you that sounds like they are full of shit. It is the DOJ handling the litigation and not the ATF's lawyers. It seems to me that the DOJ lawyers are over confident in their position given the fact that they had an opportunity to file a reply to the sur-reply and chose to say nothing. That is not the mark of someone running scared. That is the mark of someone being over confident. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By endofdays:
any word on the pa case? A little birdie I hear from on occasion who very familiar with the case said that the ATF is going to request a delay. Also that the ATF lawyers were impressed/shocked by the quality of the case presented. "Best case against us we've ever seen. We weren't ready for that." It has obviously got ATF very concerned that they can't come up with something to defend themselves with, if they are asking for more time. No offense, but whoever told you that sounds like they are full of shit. It is the DOJ handling the litigation and not the ATF's lawyers. It seems to me that the DOJ lawyers are over confident in their position given the fact that they had an opportunity to file a reply to the sur-reply and chose to say nothing. That is not the mark of someone running scared. That is the mark of someone being over confident. This...looking at the whole case though, it is hard to defend an anti-constitutional law given the work NOLO did and the case he has presented. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:13:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AJSully421]
[#7]
I am seriously considering attending.
I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:24:34 PM EDT
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The best thing you can do is be quiet and respectful in the courtroom.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:31:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AJSully421]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK: I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK: Originally Posted By NoloContendere: dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? Be prepared to pay for parking. Texas Club garage is two block west of the federal court. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By AJSully421: I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. I'll be in a black suit and tie... with my BFL lapel pin. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 9:37:04 PM EDT
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Question for Nolo....
Are the oral arguments in Dallas a sure thing? Or is there a possibility the defense will ask for a continuance and try to drag it out?? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 10:16:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryHOLY FUCK, ROST! |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 10:18:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chris0013:
Question for Nolo.... Are the oral arguments in Dallas a sure thing? Or is there a possibility the defense will ask for a continuance and try to drag it out?? It is only as sure as the court directs. We agreed on a time frame before the Court set the hearing. Something would have to come up on an already agreed upon date, which would be odd. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 10:46:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2015 10:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
http://www.examiner.com/article/hearing-on-government-s-motion-to-dismiss-machine-gun-case-set-for-april Nice read, looks like someone from subguns has already hit the comments section 
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Posted: 3/25/2015 11:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz:
Nice read, looks like someone from subguns has already hit the comments section Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
http://www.examiner.com/article/hearing-on-government-s-motion-to-dismiss-machine-gun-case-set-for-april Nice read, looks like someone from subguns has already hit the comments section That's actually completely different than what they would write. It would start with defamation. That comment doesn't. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 11:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 12:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. so one of these is not appropriate? 
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Posted: 3/26/2015 12:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conju:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. No kidding. I've been in a lot of federal courts, and anyone that wants their side to do well shows up in the best suit they own. Be damn careful who you talk to and what you say if you go. Playing with the media is a dangerous game. Nothing you can say can really help, Federal court doesn't depend on anythibf you could do to sway public opinion , and nolo will tell us if he needs more donors. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 12:34:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 00Dan]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
so one of these is not appropriate? http://a.abcnews.com//images/WN/ht_three_wolf_moon_090527_mn.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Conju:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. so one of these is not appropriate? http://a.abcnews.com//images/WN/ht_three_wolf_moon_090527_mn.jpg Not nearly as appropriate as this: 
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Posted: 3/26/2015 1:17:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 00Dan:
Not nearly as appropriate as this: http://carnikcon.com/images/Merchandise/opmoonshirt.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 00Dan:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Conju:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. For the love of God, this times about eleventy trillion. so one of these is not appropriate? http://a.abcnews.com//images/WN/ht_three_wolf_moon_090527_mn.jpg Not nearly as appropriate as this: http://carnikcon.com/images/Merchandise/opmoonshirt.jpg Is that shirt real?  
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Posted: 3/26/2015 1:26:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2015 1:33:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cougarlover]
[#25]
Dear Lord, bless our side, and help these brave men led our side, the side of Liberty, Righteousness and Light against the forces of Tyranny, Evil, and Darkness.
Amen. Guys, please say a prayer. I can not harm our chances. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 4:50:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:17:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:56:03 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak:
What does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak:
What does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. search for the various terms, in a legal dictionary it's all very understandable, you just have to recognise that a word may have a different (but usually not entirely distinct from its common) meaning in the legal context |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 3:39:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By bullz_aye: Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Nolo, Have you been practicing for more than seven years? Nolo Profile Off topic: Horry clap! Nolo, you and I graduated Southern the same year. Let me know if you want a copy of Vas-tie Jackson's "Eagle Fever 2001"... think I've still got it on a hard drive somewhere, along with that horrific "eagle scream" they started playing at the games when we scored. On topic: Go get 'em, brother! |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 3:58:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Day 30
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Posted: 3/26/2015 8:14:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Although I live in Colorado, I'm left wondering whether I should form a Texas trust.
Get'em Nolo! |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 8:53:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NoloContendere]
[#32]
PRESS RELEASE:
https://hellerfoundation.org/hvh/ The Heller Foundation is pleased to announce that it has teamed with Jay Hollis and attorneys Stephen Stamboulieh and Alan Beck to fight the federal restrictions on machine gun ownership. Complying with the onerous registration requirements for automatic firearms and paying the $200 tax to exercise his right, Mr. Hollis filed a Form 1 with the BATFE to manufacture an M16 machine gun. The BATFE then approved that Form 1, giving Mr. Hollis permission to manufacture the M16. Shortly afterward the BATFE erroneously and without due process revoked Mr. Hollis’ approval. On October 30, 2014 Mr. Hollis filed his complaint against Eric Holder and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“BATFE”) seeking to overturn both the National Firearms Act and the ban on private ownership of machine guns manufactured after May 19, 1986. The case, Hollis v. Holder, et al, Civil Action No.3:14-cv-03872-M, is being led by attorneys Stephen Stamboulieh and Alan Beck. It is currently pending in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Dallas Division. “The M16 is the quintessential militia arm and is thus protected under any reading of Miller or Heller,” said attorney Stephen Stamboulieh. “Winning this case is critical to the security of the nation’s citizens,” added Dick Heller, Chairman of the Heller Foundation. “We think it’s important enough that donors to the Heller Foundation can now make a directed contribution on our web site, HellerFoundation.org, for the support of this case.” Almost seven years ago the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Heller Foundation, a non-profit exempt organization as described in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, was founded shortly after the landmark ruling by plaintiff Dick Heller to continue to expand gun owner rights through the judicial system. District of Columbia v. Heller became the cornerstone for gun owners nationwide to push other important wins through the federal court system. Jay Hollis, Stephen Stamboulieh, Alan Beck, and the Heller Foundation intend to build on those wins in the ongoing battle for the Second Amendment by targeting the National Firearms Act and the machine gun ban. Donation Link http://www.hollisvholder.com |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 8:56:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:03:11 PM EDT
[#34]
Look at you go!
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:10:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Hmm, no way to do a recurring payment?
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:22:16 PM EDT
[#36]
HELL YEAH!!!!!
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:25:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Wait, so you got teamed up with Heller?
The same Heller that many said would never support your "flimsy" case?  |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:32:59 PM EDT
[#38]
So please explain to us non-lawyer folk what happens after April 23rd if the judge rules in Nolo's favor.
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:34:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak:
What does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak:
What does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. Rational basis = lulz, get outta here Intermediate scrutiny = we're going to take this seriously, get outta here Strict scrutiny = okay for real this time, you win (mostly). |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:41:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zanemasterx:
So please explain to us non-lawyer folk what happens after April 23rd if the judge rules in Nolo's favor. A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:43:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: zanemasterx]
[#41]
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By zanemasterx:
So please explain to us non-lawyer folk what happens after April 23rd if the judge rules in Nolo's favor. A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. Fantastic! Thank you! Donated. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:44:49 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By zanemasterx:
So please explain to us non-lawyer folk what happens after April 23rd if the judge rules in Nolo's favor. A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:47:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ejeviking]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan: Hmm, no way to do a recurring payment? ETA: Will this include the Watson v Holder case also, or will there be a separate donation for that case? |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:01:39 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK:
I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? Nope. Send me a money order for $75. I'll reserve a seat for you.
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:03:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejeviking:
Same question. I asked them in the comments section if there was a way to do that. ETA: Will this include the Watson v Holder case also, or will there be a separate donation for that case? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejeviking:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Hmm, no way to do a recurring payment? ETA: Will this include the Watson v Holder case also, or will there be a separate donation for that case? The Heller Foundation has chosen to focus our attention on the Hollis case in Texas as it is moving much quicker and seems to be having a much more devastating impact at this time. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:04:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mean_sartin:
Nope. Send me a money order for $75. I'll reserve a seat for you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mean_sartin:
Originally Posted By Grendel-OK:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
dress nice. bring an ID. no weapons of any kind. no electronics. I assume these are free to attend? and it's first come-first served when it comes to seating (i.e. be there early)? Any idea on the number of seats available? Nope. Send me a money order for $75. I'll reserve a seat for you. I can do it for $74.99! |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:05:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Rational basis = lulz, get outta here Intermediate scrutiny = we're going to take this seriously, get outta here Strict scrutiny = okay for real this time, you win (mostly). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By dyezak:
What does this mean in relation to the case at hand? I'm sorry I don't speak lawyer. I swear reading stuff like that makes me feel dumb, even though I know it's only ignorance. Rational basis = lulz, get outta here Intermediate scrutiny = we're going to take this seriously, get outta here Strict scrutiny = okay for real this time, you win (mostly). That's about as succinctly as it can be stated |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:09:25 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJSully421:
I am seriously considering attending. I have never been in a federal courthouse, only Tarrant County for Jury Duty... other than the "no electronics", are there any other special rules that anyone can share? Obviously I will leave my CCW and pocket knife in the truck, but anything else beyond "normal"? I'm gonna see about being there as well... |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:13:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuckyDucky:
I can do it for $74.99! 
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Posted: 3/26/2015 11:10:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By zanemasterx:
So please explain to us non-lawyer folk what happens after April 23rd if the judge rules in Nolo's favor. A ruling in our favor is a denial of the governments' motion to dismiss which opens this up to discovery. And by opening this up to discovery you mean the media gets wind of this act of Liberty? |
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