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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:52:19 AM EDT
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I don't get it. Is this CAR technique something you practice just in case you ever get in a shootout inside a phone booth? Assuming phone booths are still a thing. Airplane lavatories. Fierce battle ensues for control of the shitter. Are you prepared? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:06:46 AM EDT
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Shit reload.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:22:44 AM EDT
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I approve of your teaching technique, but you might need to adjust your "Get the hell out of my classroom" just a little bit earlier.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've long wondered what the soup sandwich shooting technique that the fellow who brought the FN 5.7 to take my CCW class was called. I've taught hundreds of CCW classes, and this guy came in already an "expert." Bad-mouthed my technique in my own class, giving me "suggestions" on my stance, grip, etc. Very much "that guy." Well, we come to the range portion of the class, and buddy pulls out his 5.7, takes his target, and he's such an expert that I figured I'd just tell him how many rounds he needs to put in the practice and test target, and we'd be good to go. I could focus on my other students, a mixed bag of blue-haired old ladies, younger couples, and the like, all shooting my .22 pistols. As I walk down the line, I see ol boy about whack himself in his shooting glasses with the slide shooting like the videos. Stop and watch him for a bit, and at 7 yards, my class "expert" is all over the fucking place. The 70 year old women in class are turning in softball sized groups in the center of the target and this guy has holes on every edge of the 24X45 inch B-27 target. He had to re-take the test after I unfucked his technique while the rest of the class waited, and that shamed him into shooting like a normal human being. He also ran out of 5.7 ammo so had to use a .22 target pistol. I approve of your teaching technique, but you might need to adjust your "Get the hell out of my classroom" just a little bit earlier. This fella was a walking, talking stereotype. From New York, knew it all and didn't need anyone to tell him how to shoot, just wanted to get the class in so he could carry. Stupid comment after stupid comment, but his eye-roll inducing questions and comments served as pretty good teaching moments for the class. There were many times in that class where the phrase "well, that's one way to go about it, but here's why I teach ______ this way, and you have to decide what's going to work for you" passed my lips. Teaching CCW classes to the unwashed masses is not something that you do for very long before you run into "that guy." |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:04:43 AM EDT
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I don't know about the technique, but it looks really fresh on screen. Love how many times he shot the guys and made more of a attempt than other action movies to keep them down. Reeves is supposedly pretty pro gun from an interview I read about Street Kings, which had some good gunfights too.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:45 AM EDT
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I love how bad guy is still on his feet, but waits for wick to finish his reload before he charges him. C.A.R seems like just a fancy name for shooting from retention.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:26:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryTop Agencies. Top... Agencies. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:31:18 AM EDT
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Holy shit I just watched the full trailer.
The whole movie happens because some dudes killed his dog?! 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:38:54 AM EDT
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Holy shit I just watched the full trailer. The whole movie happens because some dudes killed his dog?! He's probably a GDer. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:55:43 AM EDT
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Holy shit I just watched the full trailer. The whole movie happens because some dudes killed his dog?! Been done before. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:56:37 AM EDT
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WTF is a "black shirt graduate"? Shills don't tend to last long so enjoy your stay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly Founder, Director & Instructor
Civilian Arms Training Source was founded in 1992 by Tim George. Tim has trained under the excellent instruction of Max Joseph and co- instructors of T.F.T.T. Tactical Firearms Training Team. Tim is a black shirt graduate and has accomplished disciplines in: Tactical handgun levels l ll lll. Advanced Weapons Skills l ll (AWS) Defensive Tactical Shotgun Tactical Rifle (Tac Rifle) Advanced Firearms Training Structure Entry (A.F.T.S.E.) Defensive edge Conceal carry Defensive Tactical Night shoots. Accomplished Certificate of completion. Department of Justice (DOJ) Certified Firearms Instructor National Rifle Association (NRA) Certified Pistol & Shotgun Instructor Firearms Training Association (FTA) conceal carry qualification. Sabre Tactical Certified to teach Center Axis Relock (C.A.R.) WTF is a "black shirt graduate"? Shills don't tend to last long so enjoy your stay. lol Max Joseph and the TFTT are what these CAR morans only claim to be. You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Now, whether having trained under a real trainer makes this guy worth a shit, is another question entirely. The fact he has jumped on the CAR thing makes me question things. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:35:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:36:19 AM EDT
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Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? You don't have the clearance to know that son. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:44:55 AM EDT
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You don't have the clearance to know that son. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? You don't have the clearance to know that son. Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:50:41 AM EDT
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It has a very limited use.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:58:02 AM EDT
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Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? You don't have the clearance to know that son. Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:00:29 AM EDT
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Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? Some of the advanced TFTT shooting classes have a performance standard that, if met, awards you the "level III" certification and... a black t-shirt. It show that you didn't just complete the class, but you can shoot, too. Using it to tout your creds as a "trainer" is a bit much. TFTT does not open their training to the general public, so I guess there's a market for people purporting offering second degree "CBA" authority. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:28:15 AM EDT
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That website is horrible 
Looks like more tactical-ninja cool kid wannabe stuff, but I'm sure it's a useful technique to have in the toolbox. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks like more tactical-ninja cool kid wannabe stuff, but I'm sure it's a useful technique to have in the toolbox. My best friend is a SWAT guy on his PD and he intro'd it to me after he went to the course |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:46:45 AM EDT
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seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the arm.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l3p4Z5Xs4
ho lee shit. that looks dangerous to all of man kind spraying bullets around like that. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:07:55 AM EDT
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Some of the advanced TFTT shooting classes have a performance standard that, if met, awards you the "level III" certification and... a black t-shirt. It show that you didn't just complete the class, but you can shoot, too. Using it to tout your creds as a "trainer" is a bit much. TFTT does not open their training to the general public, so I guess there's a market for people purporting offering second degree "CBA" authority. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Using it to tout your creds as a "trainer" is a bit much. TFTT does not open their training to the general public, so I guess there's a market for people purporting offering second degree "CBA" authority. So I'm a dumbass for not knowing about the uber award some L.A. shooting school that doesn't even accept the "general public" hands out? I searched their site before posting that and didn't see any reference to a black shirt. OK. Too bad I'm not professional enough. And yes I googled black shirt graduate and got a bunch of black T-shirt ads. It may be a sign of decent shooting skill but it doesn't quite have the same name recognition as Six Sigma. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:29:15 AM EDT
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Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? You don't have the clearance to know that son. Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! Paygrade issue. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:31:06 AM EDT
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It has a very limited use. I like their shotgun techniques for using a 18" shotgun in confined spaces. There was a video of a French special forces guy who used CAR on youtube a while back. The video was pretty badass. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:33:54 AM EDT
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Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:31:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I thought before doing some research. It wouldn't kill anyone to do some themselves before throwing out "videogame superhero stuff", especially if you are just a weekend range shooter. While I personally wouldn't use it on a daily basis, it is a technique to put in the toolbox. ETA After rereading that, I thought I should say, that wasn't directed at anyone or meant to be demeaning, but it sure looks that way. lol It's just a technique that may or maynot be useful at some point, but it definitely isn't from Cory and Erika.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw it yesterday. Typically videogame superhero stuff. Very meh. That's what I thought before doing some research. It wouldn't kill anyone to do some themselves before throwing out "videogame superhero stuff", especially if you are just a weekend range shooter. While I personally wouldn't use it on a daily basis, it is a technique to put in the toolbox. ETA After rereading that, I thought I should say, that wasn't directed at anyone or meant to be demeaning, but it sure looks that way. lol It's just a technique that may or maynot be useful at some point, but it definitely isn't from Cory and Erika. I was actually commenting on the movie. I have no opinion on C.A.R. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:33:01 AM EDT
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Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:53:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? You don't have the clearance to know that son. Clearance? We don't need no stinkin' clearance! We have clearance Clarence. Unger? Ober?
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:27:36 PM EDT
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Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata. http://youtu.be/U02E2sjwlLM?t=1m36sWhen you are Batman, the leader of the resistance against Skynet, everything pales in comparison to your skillset. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 2:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat dude is going to fuck up one day and put a round in his forearm. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:04:19 PM EDT
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Seems like it's nothing more than a compressed high ready/retention method.
The problem is that the CAR disciples think it's great for any distance in any circumstance. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:35:48 PM EDT
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*piqued And man, those CG muzzle flashes look horrible. Did they get the Walking Dead SFX guys to do it? Should have gotten Freddie Wong to help out. Its bad when they give the "non guns" to the lead actor |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:10:13 PM EDT
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I am finally able to watch the clip in the OP, I see nothing in that scene that is uniquely "Center Axis Relock." During the the two brief snippets of a canted close hold that might have came close, I did not see him going to his left eye to aim. Some of the shooting from a lower position of retention was done very differently from the stuff in those CAR videos - note the one handed shooting so the non shooting hand could contend with the threat at contact range, and then the aiming well away from the other arm to not risk a booboo. Some of the non-Hollywood stuff was solid, makes me wonder where he trained.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:15:47 PM EDT
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Fucking stupid movie.
I got my money back, heheheheh. How'd it end? Hopefully everyone dies...including the crew, backers, and writers. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I THOUGHT I wanted to see that when it hit video... |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:21:30 PM EDT
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"Peaked"?
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:22:02 PM EDT
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Yea but did you know...
He was blind the whole time.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:27:36 PM EDT
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Yea but did you know... He was blind the whole time. I thought he was dead the whole time. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:30:14 PM EDT
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I thought he was dead the whole time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yea but did you know... He was blind the whole time. I thought he was dead the whole time. That was his mother. He only talked about her as if she were alive. Kept her body up in the house. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:36:31 PM EDT
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Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata. http://youtu.be/U02E2sjwlLM?t=1m36sOmg what the fuck was that? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:39:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Omg what the fuck was that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata. http://youtu.be/U02E2sjwlLM?t=1m36sOmg what the fuck was that? What are you, new? lol Equilibrium... |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:49:06 PM EDT
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What are you, new? lol Equilibrium... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Center axis Relock pales in comparison to my Gun Kata. http://youtu.be/U02E2sjwlLM?t=1m36sOmg what the fuck was that? What are you, new? lol Equilibrium... I had no idea that piece of shit even existed... I love the opening of that video... Is that Sean Bean with a "holy shite, I'm not dead yet" look? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:12:20 PM EDT
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I love the opening of that video... Is that Sean Bean with a "holy shite, I'm not dead yet" look? He doesn't last long. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:20:56 PM EDT
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Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:You not knowing what a Black Shirt graduate is, is your own problem. Or... you could say what it is? Seriously, what is it? I have more than one black shirt. they're in my closet. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:22:19 PM EDT
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It sure exposes your side to the threat.
I was always taught to present with your armor forward. You take one through the side like you would there and say good night gracie. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airplane lavatories. Fierce battle ensues for control of the shitter. Are you prepared? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get it. Is this CAR technique something you practice just in case you ever get in a shootout inside a phone booth? Assuming phone booths are still a thing. Airplane lavatories. Fierce battle ensues for control of the shitter. Are you prepared? Won't that set off the smoke detector? That's against federal law.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:44:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:05:49 PM EDT
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Oh look, Gun Kata 2.0
There is nothing this offers that is in any way superior to a mix of firing from Retention (step 2), Close Isosceles (step 3) and Isosceles (step 4). All of which are part of a correct draw, as has been taught for thirty years. Hell, replace Isosceles with Modified-whatever or Weaver for all I care. Still better than Gun Kata. Mainly because they are... You know... Actual techniques... |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:15:03 PM EDT
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In my personal experience as a Tier 1 Tetragrammaton, I feel Center Axis Relock is vastly inferior to Gun Kata.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:35:12 PM EDT
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It looks like the intention of this style is close-quarters only. For targets at distance, the guy seems to revert to normal isosceles/weaver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ho Lee Hale. That looks like a good way to have unaccounted for rounds outside of 5ft. It looks like the intention of this style is close-quarters only. For targets at distance, the guy seems to revert to normal isosceles/weaver. Beat me to it. It does make a fair amount of sense if you're inside of about 30 feet, which as I've been led to believe is as far as the majority of gun fights happen. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:41:06 PM EDT
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Beat me to it. It does make a fair amount of sense if you're inside of about 30 feet, which as I've been led to believe is as far as the majority of gun fights happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ho Lee Hale. That looks like a good way to have unaccounted for rounds outside of 5ft. It looks like the intention of this style is close-quarters only. For targets at distance, the guy seems to revert to normal isosceles/weaver. Beat me to it. It does make a fair amount of sense if you're inside of about 30 feet, which as I've been led to believe is as far as the majority of gun fights happen. How is it better than firing from Retention at physical-contact distances? How is it better than firing from Close Isosceles or Isosceles beyond that? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:10:54 PM EDT
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Watched that movie "John Wick" and it had some great action scenes. I noticed the main character using some Center Axis Relock shooting techniques and it's peaked my curiosity. I've heard of it before and seen it with the video game "Splinter Cell," but I've never taken it seriously at all. Has anyone here taken a Center Axis Relock course? If so, what was your opinion of it and did you take anything useful away from it? I don't think I'd adopt every aspect of the doctrine, but was wondering whether a few things they teach might be useful. Here is one of the scenes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPagmeLm-g I believe Mr. Reeves is left handed. That may explain the right hand/left eye issue. Didn't really look like CAR that much. Definitely like the strike to the throat with the business end of the pistol. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:11:42 PM EDT
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