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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:08:18 PM EDT
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Professionally, I work with and contact a crap-ton of MDs, PhDs, and MD/PhDs. When they're dumb, they are some of the dumbest people on the planet I would have no issue with a DO. this... A whole lot of mds are rain man smart. Good test scores don't make you good with your hands or able to think quickly on your feet. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:09:28 PM EDT
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Why are bartenders better than psychiatrists?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:10:51 PM EDT
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My cousin is a DO and teaches MD's
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:11:45 PM EDT
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Ask 100 MDs if they applied to a DO school. Ask 100 DOs if they applied to an MD school.  |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:11:54 PM EDT
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Look at who the world's most important and powerful people go to when their lives are on the line. It ain't a DO, however, my dad and brother are both gastroenterologists, so I'm biased towards MDs. Chris Do you mean like Dr. Edward Yob, D.O.? I guess if a D.O. was good enough for a sitting US Presidents parents, they're probably good enough for you. ETA: There are others. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:13:20 PM EDT
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Ask 100 MDs if they applied to a DO school. Ask 100 DOs if they applied to an MD school.
lulz so true. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:15:35 PM EDT
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True, and that's why I said there are good DOs and bad MDs. But in general, smarter people, better faculty, better funding, equipment, research etc are all at the MD schools. That's just how it is. That doesn't mean that you can't go to DO school and become an excellent doc. But if I had to blindly choose between two doctors to treat me that I know nothing about....I'll take the MD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being smartand being skilled are not the same things. True, and that's why I said there are good DOs and bad MDs. But in general, smarter people, better faculty, better funding, equipment, research etc are all at the MD schools. That's just how it is. That doesn't mean that you can't go to DO school and become an excellent doc. But if I had to blindly choose between two doctors to treat me that I know nothing about....I'll take the MD. I would want to know more about their residencies/fellowships than their med school. They are all equal morons in their first residencies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:17:15 PM EDT
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I have a DO, MD and TCMP
each have their specialty areas.. however, the only "tool" most MD's have, IME, are "here's some Motrin and a referral to a specialist" the Surgeon MD's are usually pretty well skilled and get shit done. YMMV ~ |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:17:47 PM EDT
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DO = Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine MD = Medical Doctor (Allopathic) PA = Physician's Assistant (can be either Osteopathic or Allopathic, has prescribing powers by proxy of his supervising physician) NP = Nurse Practitioner (similar to PA but may practice medicine independant of a supervising physician, has prescribing powers) All are considered competent to practice as a primary medical care provider Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahh....What's a DO? Vulcan94 DO = Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine MD = Medical Doctor (Allopathic) PA = Physician's Assistant (can be either Osteopathic or Allopathic, has prescribing powers by proxy of his supervising physician) NP = Nurse Practitioner (similar to PA but may practice medicine independant of a supervising physician, has prescribing powers) All are considered competent to practice as a primary medical care provider Where do Chiropractors fit it, that DC, right? The courts sure love Chiropractors for some odd reason, or at least around here. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:21:40 PM EDT
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If your MD or DO is Board Certified then trust him or her! It is amazing how many doctors have degrees from the Philippines or Malaysia, Dominican republic…AVOID! The largest medical school in the whole country is a DO school. LECOM. Lake Erie College of osteopathic medicine. They have a location in Lake Erie and of course and Bradenton Florida. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:23:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would want to know more about their residencies/fellowships than their med school. They are all equal morons in their first residencies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Being smartand being skilled are not the same things. True, and that's why I said there are good DOs and bad MDs. But in general, smarter people, better faculty, better funding, equipment, research etc are all at the MD schools. That's just how it is. That doesn't mean that you can't go to DO school and become an excellent doc. But if I had to blindly choose between two doctors to treat me that I know nothing about....I'll take the MD. I would want to know more about their residencies/fellowships than their med school. They are all equal morons in their first residencies. That said, it is tough for DOs to get into most competitive MD programs such as ortho, neurosurgery, ENT, opthalmology. Also, since DO is generally much more expensive, see lots of .mil DOs that went on the HPSP scholarship to pay for it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:25:20 PM EDT
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DO is like going to a NP. No thanks. Do you always open your mouth to speak before you know anything remotely close to what you're talking about? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:25:40 PM EDT
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Michigan State University has (or had) both a MD and a DO medical school. Most of the first two years of basic science, anatomy, etc. are common to both, DO and MD students take the same classes. The pass rate was set 5 percentage points lower for the DO program. True story.
One wit from the Osteopathic side was heard to comment, "Doctor begins with DO!" to which an MD student replied, "So does doo-doo." In the wild there is little practical difference between the two, with good docs and hacks on both sides. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:40:25 PM EDT
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Ask 100 MDs if they applied to a DO school. Ask 100 DOs if they applied to an MD school.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:49:52 PM EDT
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Pure truth I know PAs with many years of experience who can perform at a very high level A first year resident is an MD. If you trust a first year resident more than an experienced PA you are a moron. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's interesting to me that it seems the less a person understands about biology/physiology/medicine the more inclined they are to think an MD is superior to a DO. By the same token, PA's and NP's can be superior to either for certian applications. Pure truth I know PAs with many years of experience who can perform at a very high level A first year resident is an MD. If you trust a first year resident more than an experienced PA you are a moron. First year residents cannot practice unsupervised, you know 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:50:13 PM EDT
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If I've never met/worked with them, between an MD and a DO, I'll take the MD any time.
PA/NP is a tossup, I'm looking for specialties at that point, as well as experience. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:52:42 PM EDT
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There are DO that are better than MD and vice versa
Most people that didn't get into MD schools went to DO schools. And, that's why people think they aren't as good. In general, I guess you could say MDs proved themselves to be more book smart as they got better test scores which got them in to MD school. But, we can also say that about minorities that get into all schools with lower standards. In the end if I had to chose I'd go with an MD. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:53:01 PM EDT
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Historically, allopathic vs. osteopathic approach to medicine, though you could argue either way which was better. Today, zero practical difference. Agreed. I work with both. I actually prefer the DO's, they generally take a more naturopathic approach to medical care - less pharmaceuticals. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:58:40 PM EDT
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Do you mean like Dr. Edward Yob, D.O.? I guess if a D.O. was good enough for a sitting US Presidents parents, they're probably good enough for you. ETA: There are others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at who the world's most important and powerful people go to when their lives are on the line. It ain't a DO, however, my dad and brother are both gastroenterologists, so I'm biased towards MDs. Chris Do you mean like Dr. Edward Yob, D.O.? I guess if a D.O. was good enough for a sitting US Presidents parents, they're probably good enough for you. ETA: There are others. You mean the Dr. Edward H. Lob, the dermatologist from Oklahoma? He looks competent enough, but I was commenting more on life threatening type crises. I'm sure that you'll agree that M.D.s make up the vast and overwhelming choice in those situations. Chris |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:02:34 PM EDT
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MD schools are harder to get into and as a result "smarter" people go there because there is more competition to get in. So, I guess you would be safer with an MD in general.
With that in mind, I have seen Ivy League MDs that I wouldn't trust with my dog for care. I have also met a lot of DOs that just seem eccentric to say it nicely. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:09:32 PM EDT
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It is like being "mil spec".
Does being mil spec mean that your AR won't break? Nope. Does being mil spec mean it is LESS LIKELY to break? Yep. Does being a MD mean you will be a better Dr? Nope. Does it increase the odds compared to a DO? Yep. MD vs DO is about admission standards, but that is just the beginning. What you do with what you have is more important. As has already been said, I have worked with very good DO's and pretty bad MD's, but the MD's will on average have higher scores on GPA and MCAT |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:16:27 PM EDT
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There are differences in medical school admission standards but the real difference comes out at residency training. DO residency programs are generally not as well funded or staffed as their MD counterparts, and the training is subsequently not the same.
I'm an MD orthopaedic resident and I've interacted with a few from DO residencies and there are massive differences in the quality of training between MD based residencies and the DO counterparts (caveat: it may be different in non-surgical specialties). The good DO physicians that are practicing in the community are those that matched into an MD based residency. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:48:15 PM EDT
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Very true.That said, it is tough for DOs to get into most competitive MD programs such as ortho, neurosurgery, ENT, opthalmology.Also, since DO is generally much more expensive, see lots of .mil DOs that went on the HPSP scholarship to pay for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being smartand being skilled are not the same things. True, and that's why I said there are good DOs and bad MDs. But in general, smarter people, better faculty, better funding, equipment, research etc are all at the MD schools. That's just how it is. That doesn't mean that you can't go to DO school and become an excellent doc. But if I had to blindly choose between two doctors to treat me that I know nothing about....I'll take the MD. I would want to know more about their residencies/fellowships than their med school. They are all equal morons in their first residencies. This is why you should look at the residency not the degree. If a DO got in to a competitive residency program and completed it you can bet they are just as qualified as a MD that did the same program. it likely means they didn't do quite as well in during their undergrad education which means exactly squat now. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:53:09 PM EDT
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My primary doc is a DO, best I've ever had.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:58:46 PM EDT
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I wouldn't have known the difference. I'm sure there are competent and incompetent in both practices.
However, when I was young I remember hearing my grandmother say, "Well, he's not a real doctor. He's an Osteopath..." Yeh, I'm an old fart and that was a long time ago. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:58:02 PM EDT
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I wish I would have known DO schools existed when I was first in college. I would have went to school to be a DO.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:30:42 PM EDT
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I wish I would have known DO schools existed when I was first in college. I would have went to school to be a DO. I don't think they teach "DO" at Vo-Tech school. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:45:16 PM EDT
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I have worked w both in the last 29 yrs Depends on the person more than the degree MD med school faculty for 22 yrs here Thank you, doctor. I've woeked with both. Individual is what matters most. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:46:28 PM EDT
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I don't think they teach "DO" at Vo-Tech school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish I would have known DO schools existed when I was first in college. I would have went to school to be a DO. I don't think they teach "DO" at Vo-Tech school. so close, 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:04:20 AM EDT
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MD waving at a DO lurker. You know who you are
BKI |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:29:21 AM EDT
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Ask 100 MDs if they applied to a DO school. Ask 100 DOs if they applied to an MD school.
When I was doing my medic clinicals, I worked under a Paramedic tech in a hospital. He had the charge nurse write him a recommendation for DO school. He decided to go this route after not getting into any of the MD programs he had tried the year before. The nurse gave him back his recommendation packet while I was there and said, "It asked if you had the Osteopathic philosophy. I said yes, but I don't really know that that means." He said, "Me neither". There are articles by old-school DOs mourning the fact that most young potential docs don't care about the philosophy, they just want to be a doctor and can't get into MD school. Not to say there aren't good DOs, and that some of them don't practice differently, but to many it's just a path to a license and a career. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally depends on the individual. Also a lot depends on what you are seeing them for. My PA has been the best family medicine person I have had. But I see her for those minor things, like a Rx that I need.. Yep, I prefer to see the PA at my Doc's office. Doc is great too but when I actually go to the doctor I usually know what I am there for (more Flonase, physical, etc.) and my PA can get me in and out easily.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:58:22 AM EDT
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I'll take the practice not grounded in nonsense thanks.
MD for me |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are bartenders better than psychiatrists? In vino veritas Harder to hide things from the bartender.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:02:31 AM EDT
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They both go to the same residency and fellowship programs, where the real learning takes place. No real difference, except DO school adds some courses on manipulation and holistic medicine.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:09:16 PM EDT
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There are differences in medical school admission standards but the real difference comes out at residency training. DO residency programs are generally not as well funded or staffed as their MD counterparts, and the training is subsequently not the same. I'm an MD orthopaedic resident and I've interacted with a few from DO residencies and there are massive differences in the quality of training between MD based residencies and the DO counterparts (caveat: it may be different in non-surgical specialties). The good DO physicians that are practicing in the community are those that matched into an MD based residency. As a DO, lots of truth to this. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:24:52 PM EDT
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I suspect if prop 2 (md weed) passes here, DO's will have a lucrative sideline in giving weed scripts.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:34:01 PM EDT
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My primary care doc is a DO. He has a PhD in pharmacology as well.
Good bedside manner and seems to care about the patient not just the disease. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:43:36 PM EDT
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As far as I know they both have to take the exact same test to practice medicine.
I just started to go to a DO. I was concerned he had a head full of hippy witchcraft. I was wrong. After reading up on it and going in for an appointment, he seems like a good guy and cares about my health. Thats all I care about. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They both go to the same residency and fellowship programs, where the real learning takes place. No real difference, except DO school adds some courses on manipulation and holistic medicine. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:47:05 PM EDT
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The osteopaths i work for are both MD and DO and iirc a couple of them were surgeons before they were an osteopath. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:42:18 PM EDT
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My primary care doc is a DO. He has a PhD in pharmacology as well. Good bedside manner and seems to care about the patient not just the disease. My Brother is a DO. He had a PHD in Bio-Chem and was working in Pharmaceutical research for several years before deciding to become a Doc. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:48:39 PM EDT
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Doc Timothy Bryan from Generation Kill is now a D.O.
I hadn't known about osteopathic doctors until I researched him. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:05:43 PM EDT
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Both can be equally good, it depends upon the person. But, ask a professional liability insurance carrier who they would rather insure... they'll say a MD every time.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:14:37 PM EDT
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Both can be equally good, it depends upon the person. But, ask a professional liability insurance carrier who they would rather insure... they'll say a MD every time. Reality disagrees with you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204310/ http://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/12/5/330.full Rates are influenced by specialty, not where you went to med school. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reality disagrees with you. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204310/ http://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/12/5/330.full Rates are influenced by specialty, not where you went to med school. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Both can be equally good, it depends upon the person. But, ask a professional liability insurance carrier who they would rather insure... they'll say a MD every time. Reality disagrees with you. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204310/ http://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/12/5/330.full Rates are influenced by specialty, not where you went to med school. different for different specialties. The studies you cited are informative, but those in insurance field have been aware of this for a long time... that's why OB/GYNs pay more for coverage than dermatologists. My previous comment was about which physician an insuror would prefer, and I'm confident that if you polled Underwriters at professional liability companies, they would almost always say they prefer MDs. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:48:56 AM EDT
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My Rhuematologist is a DO and he is a friggin genius in his field and very highly sought out/respected.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:09:10 AM EDT
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Thank you, doctor. I've woeked with both. Individual is what matters most. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have worked w both in the last 29 yrs Depends on the person more than the degree MD med school faculty for 22 yrs here Thank you, doctor. I've woeked with both. Individual is what matters most. Quoted:
They both go to the same residency and fellowship programs, where the real learning takes place. No real difference, except DO school adds some courses on manipulation and holistic medicine. Our current dept chairman is a Mayo-trained DO. He more than holds his own in our group of docs from other well-respected anesthesia residencies like Dartmouth, Duke, MGH, Tulane, UC Davis, UW, Virginia Mason, etc. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:15:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask 100 MDs if they applied to a DO school. Ask 100 DOs if they applied to an MD school.  |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:46:34 AM EDT
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Ideally you want a DO for primary care and an MD for emergency care or disease treatment.
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