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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:00:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Ibtp
Eh depends on the felony. Violent crime yes. Non violent no. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: I've personally always though that this was the worst and most accepted gun control our nation has ever seen. Your thoughts? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:01:20 PM EDT
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Nope.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:01:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Nope.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:02:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:03:00 PM EDT
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There was a thread about this that I was involved in, that had an effect on me and my thoughts on the subject.
I'll sum it up simply: Why should a free man be disbarred the use and ownership of arms? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:03:38 PM EDT
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:04:00 PM EDT
[#8]
No.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:04:15 PM EDT
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:05:34 PM EDT
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:05:52 PM EDT
[#11]
can't do the time, don't do the crime and all.
there has to be some consequence to commiting a crime or crimes. losing 2a rights is fitting for certain crimes, also voting rights. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:06:27 PM EDT
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Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? The Gov't seems to have trouble funding the restoration process for some reason. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:06:50 PM EDT
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:07:31 PM EDT
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:08:08 PM EDT
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If they are locked up, then yeah, they should be. Once out and off probation then no. If we can't trust them to be back out in society, keep them locked up.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:08:29 PM EDT
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Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? They willingly gave up those rights when they violated the rights of others (see Crime) |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:10:40 PM EDT
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I voted no, but that would only be for non violent crimes, violent crimes have shown society they are a danger.
non violent should have full rights restored after paying their due.. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:10:41 PM EDT
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. I agree. But knowing that we wont keep them in prison where they belong, I'm fine with them not legally possessing guns, or voting, or holding political office. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:11:28 PM EDT
[#19]
If you can't be trusted with a gun, you can't be trusted to live with civilized people.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:11:58 PM EDT
[#20]
No. Though I'd accept murder, and rape being the exception.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:12:09 PM EDT
[#21]
I think once you have served the time that the court felt was fitting for the crime you commited then you should get all your rights back. At that point you payed the penalty, if that is not good enough then they need to make the sentence longer.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:12:25 PM EDT
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I don't really care that much about the issue.
Ask me after I've committed a felony. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:12:40 PM EDT
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This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. I vote kill them or put them to work earning their keep. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:12:54 PM EDT
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Ibtp Eh depends on the felony. Violent crime yes. Non violent no. Agreed. There's a lot of crimes that make someone a felon that don't involve violence or weapons. I'd say that there should be something done to address this issue. If you've paid your debt to society, and in most cases you weren't a murdering fuckwad or similar, then rights should be restored afterwards. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:12:59 PM EDT
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Ibtp Eh depends on the felony. Violent crime yes. Non violent no. I agree, same with voting rights. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:13:05 PM EDT
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You should be swinging from a rope if you've done something so heinous you can't be trusted with full restoration of rights on release.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:13:35 PM EDT
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Felonies are too broad now. They should be for very serious crimes. Murder, rape, kidnapping, etc.
Everything else should me misdemeanors |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:13:37 PM EDT
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This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Bullshit. We just don't have our priorities in order. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:13:43 PM EDT
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No. Though I'd accept murder, and rape being the exception. In a perfect world both of those crimes would warrant death. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:14:45 PM EDT
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This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. ^^^ Yep. It should be that way, but it isn't and never will be. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:15:08 PM EDT
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There was a thread about this that I was involved in, that had an effect on me and my thoughts on the subject. I'll sum it up simply: Why should a free man be disbarred the use and ownership of arms? Simply because a man is not incarcerated, does not make him free. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:15:15 PM EDT
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The real question is how are you planning on stopping them from arming themselves? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:15:50 PM EDT
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Non violent crimes they should retain their gun rights. Violent crimes, sorry but they have lost that right.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:16:04 PM EDT
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I don't think anybody should be stripped of any rights. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:16:34 PM EDT
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This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Maybe if we boiled down criminal laws to the ones that actually violate another person's rights, we could. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:16:38 PM EDT
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even child molesters? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Again petition. It does not mean you will be granted the rights back. It's a means of determining if you have actually been rehabilitated back into society. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:17:08 PM EDT
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This.. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:17:29 PM EDT
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I don't think anybody should be stripped of any rights. Child molesters? Kidnappers? Rapists? Murderers? Politicians? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:17:48 PM EDT
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They willingly gave up those rights when they violated the rights of others (see Crime) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? They willingly gave up those rights when they violated the rights of others (see Crime) That is not an apt description of "crime" in our legal system. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:17:56 PM EDT
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You are either safe to be in public as a citizen, or you are not.
If the GOP really wants to gain some minority ballots, they ought to pursue and end to felons being prevented from voting and owning guns. Vote gains aside, it is the right thing to do. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:18:03 PM EDT
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The real question is how are you planning on stopping them from arming themselves? A strongly worded letter of course. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:18:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Hmmmm, ive manage to go over 40yrs without a felony, so yeah fuck em, if they can't obey the law
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:18:24 PM EDT
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I don't really care that much about the issue. Ask me after I've committed a felony. Do you mean after you are caught committing a felony? As the gov continues to grow and pass more and more laws,well,you know the rest of the story. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. This is true but not realistic.. We simply can't afford to house them all. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:19:06 PM EDT
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Ibtp Eh depends on the felony. Violent crime yes. Non violent no. Yep. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:20:09 PM EDT
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I agree. But knowing that we wont keep them in prison where they belong, I'm fine with them not legally possessing guns, or voting, or holding political office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've personally always thought if they were too dangerous to have guns, they shouldn't be out with the general public. I agree. But knowing that we wont keep them in prison where they belong, I'm fine with them not legally possessing guns, or voting, or holding political office. Because Martha Stewart having a gun is dangerous. I would bet a lot of convicted felons vote....just like the dearly departed. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:21:25 PM EDT
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There was a thread about this that I was involved in, that had an effect on me and my thoughts on the subject. I'll sum it up simply: Why should a free man be disbarred the use and ownership of arms? YES! Because the judicial system is all fucked up, that's why. There are some really violent people walking around today that shouldn't be. The last Officer that was shot to death was done in by a shitbag with 14, yes 14 that's not a typo, violent felony convictions. There is no reason in the world that piece of trash should have been walking around outside of the prison. But he was. Then there was the early out by Nikko Jenkins. He randomly killed 4 people inside about 3 weeks from his release. I also realize that neither of these shitbags obtained guns legally. But why make it easier on them? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:22:13 PM EDT
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Well if they can own guns they should certainly be able to vote too. Can't restore one right and not the others now can we?
Dems would just love the shit out of that. Careful what you wish for. 
Or....They could just go through the established process of "rights" restoration that's available in their state. You know why they don't? It's because it's a lengthy process over years that requires them to stay crime free. Most prove within a year or two upon release that they can't. 
But OK lets let the banger use his discharge check at the first LGS he sees. Yep, makes perfect GD sense to me. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:23:12 PM EDT
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That is not an apt description of "crime" in our legal system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Once their probation and time is served, they can petition to have their rights restored. Why should they have to petition to get their "rights"? They willingly gave up those rights when they violated the rights of others (see Crime) That is not an apt description of "crime" in our legal system. No, I think it does... You have an unalienable right not be harmed (Assault, theft, rape, murder etc). You have a right to freedom of movement (kidnapping, imprisonment, etc). |
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