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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:42:42 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Thanks for your input Comrade. Aren't you late for your "Entitlements Anonymous" meeting?    
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:46:25 PM EDT
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They can't make people come to work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. True that. Massive dr walk out? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:47:22 PM EDT
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Snip... Good point. And if you read the Ebola threads, a few posters DO seem to think they can FORCE doctors and nurses to come to work. One of our classes was taught by someone who had a J.D. in addition to his medical credentials. He asked the class 'if you have a patient with a potentially life threatening disease such as AIDS, and he's combative...and you need to draw blood (putting you at higher risk for transmission)...would you do it anyway?"....90+% of the class said 'yes'....he asked a class of law students the same question (told them to assume they were Doctors or Nurses)...90% said 'no'... 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:54:20 PM EDT
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But I keep hearing that obama care is working Hey, if you like your Insurance plan, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep him Well maybe if you are a MINORITY, on medicade. OR an Illegal Alien, you can. All you White Mother fuckers that had good insurance . Can just go suck a big dick. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. We's presdent now Mutherfuker. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:56:13 PM EDT
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Couple of the Socialists seem to confuse the "right to health care" with the "right to have someone else pay for health care".
You have a right to health care in the US....you can get whatever treatment you can afford to pay for. As healthcare is expensive (due to a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest causes is lifestyle choices), it makes sense to pool your risk...i.e...insurance. You pay for your own insurance, buy a plan that meets what you determine you might need, and proceed about your life.... You don't have a right to assume anyone else should pay for you...taxpayers, other insured by regulations requiring specific treatments/coverages into a plan.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:04:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In some aspects you're right. For one, college was a hell of a lot cheaper and better and getting people ready for jobs that actually existed. And now it's very expensive with plenty of useless degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. In some aspects you're right. For one, college was a hell of a lot cheaper and better and getting people ready for jobs that actually existed. And now it's very expensive with plenty of useless degrees. Perhaps government taking over student loans had something to do with the "hockey stick" in education prices along with the diminished return of exponential costs. Nope. Wait. Government should run it all. Then it would be perfectly micro managed into such a clusterfuck that it reaches critical mass... a massive chain reaction happens, Satan and Stalin rise from great flaming fissures in the earth, selectively murdering everyone on earth with shoulder things that go up and leave only the most superior and illogical of mind, pure of spirit, and true believers alive to selectively terminate each other over the scraps of civilization. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:04:23 PM EDT
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The thing is that the policies being put in place through the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) are being adopted by the private insurance agencies. See the private sector often looks to the Federal practices for standardization bullshit like billing codes and so forth. That way electronic health management systems can handle billing more easily and hospitals can operate on a single set of billing standards rather than 20 different ones.
All the private sector investment being put into transitioning to this new "standard" helps insure that Obamacare will survive, because those private interests will not want their investments and time to go to waste. We'll be stuck with the Affordable Care Act for the rest of our lives. Some provisions might be done away with, but we're not past the point of no return really. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:04:46 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. I knew it wouldn't be long until the commies showed up
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:05:19 PM EDT
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No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Yeah, I need to pay for my kids education.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:06:51 PM EDT
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No, but they can make sure that NO ONE gets healthcare. No doctors = no healthcare Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No, but they can make sure that NO ONE gets healthcare. No doctors = no healthcare They would open the floodgates of foreign doctors. You could replace all the doctors in the U.S. with foreign ones within a year if they relaxed testing and licensing requirements. There are already a boatload of foreign doctors here as it is. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:08:13 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:08:18 PM EDT
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We've already lost enough older docs to retirement out of disgust in the last couple of years. That would just cause a stampede to the exits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. We've already lost enough older docs to retirement out of disgust in the last couple of years. That would just cause a stampede to the exits. No. I need to feed my family and medicine is the only thing I do well. I'm going to ride this plane right into the ground. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:20:40 PM EDT
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You didn't read what I wrote. What you say is based on a "private practice" model. What I am proposing is a "public clinic" model in which all the overhead is covered by the National Health System (the government). The doctors wouldn't be concerned about the overhead. They would be paid a generous salary, and it would all be a take-home for them. As in Britain, there could be parallel private practices for those willing to pay a premium for their care. The competition from the public clinics, however, would tend to place a lid on what the private clinics could charge. What would be prohibited would be "double dipper" doctors who would work for the public system, but maintain private practices on the side. The incentives for doctors to work for the government system would be guaranteed employment, relief from the overhead expenses, and full-scholarship medical education for those willing to sign an employment contract for after they complete their training. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you have a Medicare patient or Obamacare patient come to your practice and your cost to see that patient is $100 but you get reimbursed $35 for the care. You are giving away $65 away in free treatment.
Your practice overhead (lights, staff, supplies, insurance, taxes, etc) will not be giving you the money to make up for the free care and you will go out of practice bankrupt. I realize you will never understand this but its called 'facts'. You didn't read what I wrote. What you say is based on a "private practice" model. What I am proposing is a "public clinic" model in which all the overhead is covered by the National Health System (the government). The doctors wouldn't be concerned about the overhead. They would be paid a generous salary, and it would all be a take-home for them. As in Britain, there could be parallel private practices for those willing to pay a premium for their care. The competition from the public clinics, however, would tend to place a lid on what the private clinics could charge. What would be prohibited would be "double dipper" doctors who would work for the public system, but maintain private practices on the side. The incentives for doctors to work for the government system would be guaranteed employment, relief from the overhead expenses, and full-scholarship medical education for those willing to sign an employment contract for after they complete their training. Where does the Government get the money from? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:21:47 PM EDT
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Let's say that in some bizarro universe that healthcare was a right. You still couldn't argue that Obamacare is about right to healthcare cause it's FORCED on everyone. Kinda like making a law where gun ownership is mandatory for everyone and calling it a 2a right.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:27:16 PM EDT
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Where does the Government get the money from? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a Medicare patient or Obamacare patient come to your practice and your cost to see that patient is $100 but you get reimbursed $35 for the care. You are giving away $65 away in free treatment.
Your practice overhead (lights, staff, supplies, insurance, taxes, etc) will not be giving you the money to make up for the free care and you will go out of practice bankrupt. I realize you will never understand this but its called 'facts'. You didn't read what I wrote. What you say is based on a "private practice" model. What I am proposing is a "public clinic" model in which all the overhead is covered by the National Health System (the government). The doctors wouldn't be concerned about the overhead. They would be paid a generous salary, and it would all be a take-home for them. As in Britain, there could be parallel private practices for those willing to pay a premium for their care. The competition from the public clinics, however, would tend to place a lid on what the private clinics could charge. What would be prohibited would be "double dipper" doctors who would work for the public system, but maintain private practices on the side. The incentives for doctors to work for the government system would be guaranteed employment, relief from the overhead expenses, and full-scholarship medical education for those willing to sign an employment contract for after they complete their training. Where does the Government get the money from? They print it of course!
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:30:32 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens.
Son, you clearly don't understand Medicare. Also, double to your last line.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:31:46 PM EDT
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Couple of the Socialists seem to confuse the "right to health care" with the "right to have someone else pay for health care". You have a right to health care in the US....you can get whatever treatment you can afford to pay for. As healthcare is expensive (due to a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest causes is lifestyle choices), it makes sense to pool your risk...i.e...insurance. You pay for your own insurance, buy a plan that meets what you determine you might need, and proceed about your life.... You don't have a right to assume anyone else should pay for you...taxpayers, other insured by regulations requiring specific treatments/coverages into a plan.... The first amendment does not require the government to give every citizen a printing press. The second doesn't require a free gun. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:37:10 PM EDT
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Medical education would be on a full scholarship for those willing to sign an employment contract with the National Health Service, for a term of years after graduation. It would be like ROTC scholarships for those who undertake a service obligation. No student loan burden to pay off. But if the graduates renege on their contracts, then they would have to pay the full cost retroactively. Quote HistoryQuoted:
LOL. And how many people are going to go through med school when they'll never earn enough to pay it off?
Medical education would be on a full scholarship for those willing to sign an employment contract with the National Health Service, for a term of years after graduation. It would be like ROTC scholarships for those who undertake a service obligation. No student loan burden to pay off. But if the graduates renege on their contracts, then they would have to pay the full cost retroactively. How when they can't make any money? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:41:47 PM EDT
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My nephew is a doc who supported Obama. He's getting screwed and when I see him over Christmas im going to rub that shit in.  
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:56:56 PM EDT
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Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA Yeah, except those are all pretty much engineering schools, with a few liberal arts majors available for the football players. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:03:51 PM EDT
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Couple of the Socialists seem to confuse the "right to health care" with the "right to have someone else pay for health care". You have a right to health care in the US....you can get whatever treatment you can afford to pay for. As healthcare is expensive (due to a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest causes is lifestyle choices), it makes sense to pool your risk...i.e...insurance. You pay for your own insurance, buy a plan that meets what you determine you might need, and proceed about your life.... You don't have a right to assume anyone else should pay for you...taxpayers, other insured by regulations requiring specific treatments/coverages into a plan.... DING DING DING! A wiiiiinah! That's exactly what ACA was about - we NEVER had a health care problem in this country (at least not in the last 114 years.) We did have have a relatively small number of people without insurance, and a large number of people who somehow got the idea that they should be able to go to a doc for every sniffle and ache, without having to pay for it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:05:35 PM EDT
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Amnesty for illegal doctors and lowered standards on the medical boards.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:07:42 PM EDT
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. Yet. First Black President revives slavery. How is that for history. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:08:39 PM EDT
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Or hold federal Medicare subsidies to states contingent on Medicare acceptance being mandatory for physician licensing. 
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They will just tell them that they cannot practice medicine at all unless they accept patients with Obamacare coverage. Or hold federal Medicare subsidies to states contingent on Medicare acceptance being mandatory for physician licensing.
that is how it will be done. practice of medicine is regulated by the states. no mandatory acceptance of all Obamacare? no federal Medicaid funding for your state. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:08:39 PM EDT
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Or hold federal Medicare subsidies to states contingent on Medicare acceptance being mandatory for physician licensing.
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They will just tell them that they cannot practice medicine at all unless they accept patients with Obamacare coverage. Or hold federal Medicare subsidies to states contingent on Medicare acceptance being mandatory for physician licensing.
that is how it will be done. practice of medicine is regulated by the states. no mandatory acceptance of all Obamacare? no federal Medicaid funding for your state. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:09:10 PM EDT
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You didn't read what I wrote. What you say is based on a "private practice" model. What I am proposing is a "public clinic" model in which all the overhead is covered by the National Health System (the government). The doctors wouldn't be concerned about the overhead. They would be paid a generous salary, and it would all be a take-home for them. As in Britain, there could be parallel private practices for those willing to pay a premium for their care. The competition from the public clinics, however, would tend to place a lid on what the private clinics could charge. What would be prohibited would be "double dipper" doctors who would work for the public system, but maintain private practices on the side. The incentives for doctors to work for the government system would be guaranteed employment, relief from the overhead expenses, and full-scholarship medical education for those willing to sign an employment contract for after they complete their training. Isn't this basically like the Veterans Affairs healthcare system where healthcare is administration is handled by the government, and doctors are paid by the government too? Or the military system which trains many of the doctors. Not doing to well, and I don't think money has anything to do with it. Just inefficient practices and enormous requirements, and some bad people on the payroll. You could say the same is true in the private sector where some places have troubles, but in that case the doctor or hospital will close up if they are not doing an adequate job and you also have an option of getting treatment somewhere else. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:09:46 PM EDT
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Medical education would be on a full scholarship for those willing to sign an employment contract with the National Health Service, for a term of years after graduation. It would be like ROTC scholarships for those who undertake a service obligation. No student loan burden to pay off. But if the graduates renege on their contracts, then they would have to pay the full cost retroactively. Quote HistoryQuoted:
LOL. And how many people are going to go through med school when they'll never earn enough to pay it off?
Medical education would be on a full scholarship for those willing to sign an employment contract with the National Health Service, for a term of years after graduation. It would be like ROTC scholarships for those who undertake a service obligation. No student loan burden to pay off. But if the graduates renege on their contracts, then they would have to pay the full cost retroactively. They could have done that and beefed up the USPHS to take care of the originally alleged 15 million uninsured. Instead they opted to try fora takeover of the entire health insurance sector. Just like the commies they are. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:10:34 PM EDT
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Shocking.
You can't make a system work without the buy-in of the doctors, who actually have to do the work. I don't what's more surprising, that they actually thought this pile of shit would work, or that they thought the doctors would just go along with it. Amateur, community organizer. Out of his league when it comes to medical care. Redemonstrated yet again with his stellar " Redistribution of Ebola" plan. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:13:56 PM EDT
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What will happen is that all the truly bright and skilled doctors will simply leave the US and open up cash only practices in Mexico or the Bahamas. It will be the best care with the best equipment.
And they will be so busy, they will expand facilities to huge resorts. Anytime the governent gets involved, it gets more expensive and inefficient. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:19:09 PM EDT
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Shocking. You can't make a system work without the buy-in of the doctors, who actually have to do the work. I don't what's more surprising, that they actually thought this pile of shit would work, or that they thought the doctors would just go along with it. Amateur, community organizer. Out of his league when it comes to medical care. Redemonstrated yet again with his stellar " Redistribution of Ebola" plan. I'm sure they're going to replace many of us with extenders and FMGs... or force us into hospital-based practices (due to administrative overhead, EMR requirements, billing complexity, liability, etc) where CMS will tell the hospital what to do, and the hospital leadership will force us to play ball. Bundled Payments to hospitals will cause the hospitals to maximize profit any way they can... by discouraging admissions, limiting consultations/referrals, or firing physicians who won't play ball. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:25:32 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. 
Go hug a tree. No one is buying your communist crap here. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:35:40 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Like Canada? Then why do my relatives that live there come to the states for medical care? Even their Drs tell them to come here to have things done as it will be faster and they will have better care. So get the fuck out of here with your RIGHT. Show me anywhere it is written that its a right, oh its not only commies think it is |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:38:54 PM EDT
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Good, one step closer to the inevitable. Universal Health Care?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:23:46 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? ....and to think I was ridiculed by those here championing and celebrating judicial activism on gay marriage against the states for saying that playing fast and loose with the Constitution on that issue would lead to others claiming all sorts of human rights magically within the fine print...we just haven't noticed it yet. It's coming. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:39:38 PM EDT
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No. I need to feed my family and medicine is the only thing I do well. I'm going to ride this plane right into the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. We've already lost enough older docs to retirement out of disgust in the last couple of years. That would just cause a stampede to the exits. No. I need to feed my family and medicine is the only thing I do well. I'm going to ride this plane right into the ground. You take cash and have a none douchebag cash rate ? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:00:49 AM EDT
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Yeah, I need to pay for my kids education. Two weeks a month in an all cash clinic in the Bahamas or Cayman Islands treating US citizens who don't want to wait for Obamacare appointments would fix that problem, and you'd likely still have afternoons free to play golf there. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:58:46 AM EDT
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Yeah, except those are all pretty much engineering schools, with a few liberal arts majors available for the football players. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA Yeah, except those are all pretty much engineering schools, with a few liberal arts majors available for the football players. where those football have a guaranteed job/benefits as an O-1 right off the bat. Not surprising at all that those liberal arts programs are ranked so high |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:05:14 AM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? In practice, 1986. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:15:34 AM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? In practice, 1986. Yep. Enshrined under EMTALA |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:27:29 AM EDT
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Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Might want to do a little investigation and find out how the British and Canadian systems work. I'll clue you in, they don't.
For instance, there are more CT scanners in Amarillo, Texas than there are in Canada. If your Canadian Dr thinks you might have a brain tumor, your wait to have a diagnosis confirming CT is about a year. I'm not interested in practicing medicine this way. YMMV Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. Apples to oranges. Cultural differences, not medical care, is at work here. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:33:44 AM EDT
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Actually, under Obamacare, a registered nurse with a PhD = doctor, a physican's assistant can = doctor, and a nurse practitioner can = doctor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. Or they'll just quit. And all of the Taco Bell workers that want $15 an hour will be promoted to "doctor". They'' get their raise and you'll have plenty of "doctors" to choose from. See, win - win.  Actually, under Obamacare, a registered nurse with a PhD = doctor, a physican's assistant can = doctor, and a nurse practitioner can = doctor. No, they are "Care Providers". One of the few things I like about this situation. Medical school needs a complete rebuild, too many fuckwits getting in because of race or gender then coming out with subpar educations. We need a tiered system where you aren't writing orders with 0 years of actual experience but expanding on previous works. Also, specialists need much more autonomy. No reason why specialists in the fields (PT, OT, RT) should be on the hook for orders from people who have 1/100th the education on that particular system. It's like having a GP doing surgery instead of a cardiothoracic surgeon. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:34:27 AM EDT
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My nephew is a doc who supported Obama. He's getting screwed and when I see him over Christmas im going to rub that shit in.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or they'll just quit. And all of the Taco Bell workers that want $15 an hour will be promoted to "doctor". They'' get their raise and you'll have plenty of "doctors" to choose from. See, win - win. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. Or they'll just quit. And all of the Taco Bell workers that want $15 an hour will be promoted to "doctor". They'' get their raise and you'll have plenty of "doctors" to choose from. See, win - win. Why bother with colonoscopies when a couple of beef oatmeal tacos a day will keep you clean? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:51:02 AM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? It isn't and can't be. With rights there are responsibilities. If one is seriously asserting that health care is a "right," then they must believe that health care workers are OBLIGATED to treat people, even if not paid to do so. No. Fucking. Way. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:06:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:25:37 PM EDT
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DING DING DING! A wiiiiinah! That's exactly what ACA was about - we NEVER had a health care problem in this country (at least not in the last 114 years.) We did have have a relatively small number of people without insurance, and a large number of people who somehow got the idea that they should be able to go to a doc for every sniffle and ache, without having to pay for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Couple of the Socialists seem to confuse the "right to health care" with the "right to have someone else pay for health care". You have a right to health care in the US....you can get whatever treatment you can afford to pay for. As healthcare is expensive (due to a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest causes is lifestyle choices), it makes sense to pool your risk...i.e...insurance. You pay for your own insurance, buy a plan that meets what you determine you might need, and proceed about your life.... You don't have a right to assume anyone else should pay for you...taxpayers, other insured by regulations requiring specific treatments/coverages into a plan.... DING DING DING! A wiiiiinah! That's exactly what ACA was about - we NEVER had a health care problem in this country (at least not in the last 114 years.) We did have have a relatively small number of people without insurance, and a large number of people who somehow got the idea that they should be able to go to a doc for every sniffle and ache, without having to pay for it. Preach. |
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