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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:34:04 PM EDT
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. Yes. "There will be no free will around here, mister." |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:34:32 PM EDT
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Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Might want to do a little investigation and find out how the British and Canadian systems work. I'll clue you in, they don't.
For instance, there are more CT scanners in Amarillo, Texas than there are in Canada. If your Canadian Dr thinks you might have a brain tumor, your wait to have a diagnosis confirming CT is about a year. I'm not interested in practicing medicine this way. YMMV Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy If you really want to measure health outcomes, the best way to do it is at the point of medical intervention. If you have a heart attack, how long do you live in the U.S. vs. another country? If you’re diagnosed with breast cancer? In 2008, a group of investigators conducted a worldwide study of cancer survival rates, called CONCORD. They looked at 5-year survival rates for breast cancer, colon and rectal cancer, and prostate cancer. I compiled their data for the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, and western Europe. Guess who came out number one? Car accidents and homicides don’t tell us much about health care quality http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:36:46 PM EDT
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Well, which am I, a communist or a fascist? Actually, I'm voting straight Republican next week (because of the gun issue). Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Leave it to a fascist to compare a miniscule portion of the 60s to today's economic and social issues. Well, which am I, a communist or a fascist? Actually, I'm voting straight Republican next week (because of the gun issue). Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. I don't think you're necessarily either. I think you are letting your natural empathy prevent you from looking at the issue completely. You want to help people that need it, so does pretty much everybody - the difference is in being able to identify ways which will be effective, not merely expedient. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:37:52 PM EDT
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Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. Then you'd better move, quickly. You've lost 3 seconds of your life expectancy by just delaying. These life expectancy figures are national averages. There's much more local variation in the U.S. than in Britain or Canada. (That's partly due to the different health care model.) My ZIP code has a much higher life expectancy than the U.S. national average. Actually, this variation is an injustice in itself. I say this even though I'm a beneficiary of the existing system. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:38:16 PM EDT
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Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Really? Where is that it the Bill of Rights? Let's vote to make whatever you do for a living a "right". Then, we'll destroy your income and call you names if you try to do anything about it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:43:11 PM EDT
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214k out of almost 900,000 physicians That's going to increase. Talked to a neurosurgeon who saw a patient in the office, worked them up for a radiculopathy, including an MRI (they have one in the office). He got paid about $25  Every business has things that make more money than others. Before he calls the wambulance over taking a hit on that, ask how much he clears on surgeries. I have taken a hit on some jobs, as an "in" to get jobs that made me thousands more. That's not far from how things work in the medical field, either. I once worked for a large health care company, on their payroll program, and got to see how much many doctors make. I don't buy into their Boohoo any more. When someone can afford to put fully half of their pay into retirement or savings (and that was very common), I can't feel that they are hurting. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:44:05 PM EDT
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Well, which am I, a communist or a fascist? Actually, I'm voting straight Republican next week (because of the gun issue). Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Leave it to a fascist to compare a miniscule portion of the 60s to today's economic and social issues. Well, which am I, a communist or a fascist? Actually, I'm voting straight Republican next week (because of the gun issue). Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. If you advocate forced policies (i.e.: authoritarian socialism) youre a fascist. And I'd agree with above to some extent, but at your age you should know better by now. Your letting your emotion cloud your critical thinking skills. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:44:10 PM EDT
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Really? Where is that it the Bill of Rights? Let's vote to make whatever you do for a living a "right". Then, we'll destroy your income and call you names if you try to do anything about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Really? Where is that it the Bill of Rights? Let's vote to make whatever you do for a living a "right". Then, we'll destroy your income and call you names if you try to do anything about it. Want to bet he doesn't work? Any bets that he's a beneficiary of our system? In fact, if he went to college during the 60's, he's probably Medicare age... hence his concern about Medicare. It's naked self-interest after all.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:45:53 PM EDT
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Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Might want to do a little investigation and find out how the British and Canadian systems work. I'll clue you in, they don't.
For instance, there are more CT scanners in Amarillo, Texas than there are in Canada. If your Canadian Dr thinks you might have a brain tumor, your wait to have a diagnosis confirming CT is about a year. I'm not interested in practicing medicine this way. YMMV Measure the results. British life expectency is 81.5 years and Canadian life expectancy is 81.24 years (2012 figures) versus U.S. life expectancy which is 78.74 years. They also have better infant mortality statistics. The fact that they don't count the majority of premature babies and the children need to be sent home before they are counted has nothing to do with the better rates. Nothing at all. Pick up the can citizen. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:46:49 PM EDT
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No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Send in the I.R.S.! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's someone's troll account. No idea how it hasn't been banned yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Not sure if serious It's someone's troll account. No idea how it hasn't been banned yet. High schooler, pro Russian socialist entitlement herp and derp.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:47:37 PM EDT
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Funny this subject should come up today. I just got of a meeting to go over our insurance for next year. Basically to keep the same plan that I have, I will go from 93/mo to 250/mo not including dental.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:48:22 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:49:25 PM EDT
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I'm shocked and amazed that people who spend decades working hard academically and then spend $1mm or more in tuition, costs, and opportunity cost to enter a profession, would opt out of a scheme that controls and dictates their work and pays them a pittance.
As I've said in other Obamacare threads - if my profession ever gets like that, I'm quitting, moving to Albania, and just driving an ice cream truck. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:50:19 PM EDT
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Fuck that. I want GOOD doctors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Fuck that. I want GOOD doctors. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:52:34 PM EDT
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It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. And forcing doctors to treat people and/or accept a pittance for it can be argued as unconstitutional under the 13th Amendment. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:53:14 PM EDT
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Fuck that. I want GOOD doctors. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. And the 99% ahead of him wont even enter the profession without any incentive. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:56:19 PM EDT
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It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. Not convincingly, unless one is already convinced through political affiliation or other forms of brain damage. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:56:36 PM EDT
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:59:02 PM EDT
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Excuse Me. As in "excuse me, can I get a side of ranch with my fries". |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:02:13 PM EDT
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In some aspects you're right. For one, college was a hell of a lot cheaper and better and getting people ready for jobs that actually existed. And now it's very expensive with plenty of useless degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Speaking of the 60's as opposed to today, I'm firmly convinced that my generation had it much better than today's young people. The decline in prospects is all due to human shortsightedness and mismanagement. There's no objective reason things have to be this way. In some aspects you're right. For one, college was a hell of a lot cheaper and better and getting people ready for jobs that actually existed. And now it's very expensive with plenty of useless degrees. yeah, more government involvement fucked that all up for us all didnt it? so yeah, lets get even more government involvement, this time into health care fucking brilliant |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:10:47 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? He argues the same commie talking points in every Obungocare-related thread. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:11:54 PM EDT
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yeah, more government involvement fucked that all up for us all didnt it? so yeah, lets get even more government involvement, this time into health care fucking brilliant Government-guaranteed Student Loans pushed an enormous amount of money into Education. And Education expanded to absorb that extra money. It led to encouraging everyone to go to college, generated useless degrees, and created entire courses of useless knowledge ("grievance studies" of various sorts, etc). So now we have baristas with college degrees. ETA: it also led to tremendous inflation in the cost of education. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:13:20 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. Wat? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:15:33 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. NTSA... 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:17:20 PM EDT
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What Obungocare will likely create is a strong gray/black market for quality medical services by actual qualified, English-speaking docs..
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No. But they can do their damndedest to put them out of work if the don't submit. It's the govt way!
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:19:03 PM EDT
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What Obungocare will likely create is a strong gray/black market for quality medical services by actual qualified, English-speaking docs.. ...or a Draft for Doctors. You too can/will be a Doctor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:20:02 PM EDT
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What Obungocare will likely create is a strong gray/black market for quality medical services by actual qualified, English-speaking docs.. I think you get it ... Also note Congress don't get ACA |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:22:01 PM EDT
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I think you get it ... Also note Congress don't get ACA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What Obungocare will likely create is a strong gray/black market for quality medical services by actual qualified, English-speaking docs.. I think you get it ... Also note Congress don't get ACA Our own politicians thought it was such a good idea, they exempted themselves from it. Forward! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:31:24 PM EDT
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:32:34 PM EDT
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Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA I smell a ring-knocker. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:37:36 PM EDT
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Or possibly Sir. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/top-public Rank School #1 United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD #2 United States Military Academy West Point, NY #3 United States Air Force Academy USAF Academy, CO #4 Virginia Military Institute Lexington, VA I smell a ring-knocker. Not me-my parents were married. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:37:53 PM EDT
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Dr's will be imported from every 3rd world country they can fly them out of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No, but they can make sure that NO ONE gets healthcare. No doctors = no healthcare Dr's will be imported from every 3rd world country they can fly them out of. This! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:39:16 PM EDT
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Or they'll just quit. And all of the Taco Bell workers that want $15 an hour will be promoted to "doctor". They'' get their raise and you'll have plenty of "doctors" to choose from. See, win - win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. Or they'll just quit. And all of the Taco Bell workers that want $15 an hour will be promoted to "doctor". They'' get their raise and you'll have plenty of "doctors" to choose from. See, win - win. Actually, under Obamacare, a registered nurse with a PhD = doctor, a physican's assistant can = doctor, and a nurse practicioner can = doctor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:41:04 PM EDT
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. No, but they can make you wish you had. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:41:33 PM EDT
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They will be replaced by crappy doctors/nurses/techs.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. They will be replaced by crappy doctors/nurses/techs.... They are already forcing the medical schools to admit more underqualified applicants in the name of "diversity." Candidates who are barely qualified for nursing school will soon be admitted into medical school, and the requirements for gruelling residencies and internships will watered down in order to license more doctors. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:43:00 PM EDT
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You guys don't get it Hafrican HATES those racist capitalist pigs the ultimate goal is the destruction of the US ACA provides 2 things more power and control and a much lower standard of care it's not fair that the west has had better health care Comrade this is the goal http://blog.usaid.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/15310387276_7a30de2a80_k.jpg Is that a Cuban health clinic where they recycle bandages? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:48:36 PM EDT
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How do we fix this? without bitching and complaining. Things I can think of
When you go to the doctor, get treated by a doctor= MD or DO. If you get a NP or PA and want a doctor, be firm. Ask to see someone who actually went to medical school(especially if the cost is the same) Ask any doctor you go to if they accept Ocare. If so tell them you are sorry you will refrain from supporting socialistic medicine and will go somewhere else. (This one is a maybe?) Try and pay cash for services. Ask for a cash price up front and let the provider know you are paying cash. It will be you paying for the services. The doctor will be treating the person paying. Not treating you how the insurance company pays them. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:57:09 PM EDT
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in med school? Doctor. Do you know what they call the guy who graduated first in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences? <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/barista3_zpsde55a0a0.jpg</a> Boom! Headshot! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:03:31 PM EDT
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How do we fix this? without bitching and complaining. Things I can think of When you go to the doctor, get treated by a doctor= MD or DO. If you get a NP or PA and want a doctor, be firm. Ask to see someone who actually went to medical school(especially if the cost is the same) Ask any doctor you go to if they accept Ocare. If so tell them you are sorry you will refrain from supporting socialistic medicine and will go somewhere else. (This one is a maybe?) Try and pay cash for services. Ask for a cash price up front and let the provider know you are paying cash. It will be you paying for the services. The doctor will be treating the person paying. Not treating you how the insurance company pays them. IIRC, that's the popular choice to avoid long wait times in Japan for their "free" national health care. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:22:22 PM EDT
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In my lifetime I've watched doctors go from being happy and wealthy to working until old age without building the wealth.
As an IT type guy, I've been inside the practice management offices and seen the bloated receivables they'll hardly see - the whole coding war on insurances - the staff eating up overhead - the insurances required - general overhead... and that general overhead often includes a doc's wife that thinks being married to a doctor entitles her to a Mercedes/swimming pool/mansion type of life. Some docs I know have given up hope, some have sold, some have joined a group of other docs hoping to split overhead. It's a damn shame, that in this era the incentive to go though med school and the other hoops just isn't worth the cost and commitment. I use a couple docs right now, and I wouldn't trade my life for theirs - because they bust their asses with sharks all around them... hoping to eek out an honest living. The only one's I see getting ahead are running concierge practices, limited to high end clients. My observations are limited, and probably not representative of reality - but it represents the doctors I've had interaction with. It's sad really. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:58:17 PM EDT
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It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. When did it become a RIGHT? It can be argued as falling under the 9th amendment. No, it can't. A right cannot create an obligation on another's property or labor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. That sounds like a swell idea. Everyone knows that costs are reduced when government monopolizes an industry. Why didn't we do this earlier!!!! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:28:02 PM EDT
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From what I hear, medical care in Cuba is excellent. It's great if you are foreign and paying big bucks. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:32:44 PM EDT
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. I hope you start to choke to death and the only doctor for miles around reads this post before seeing you. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wheres that money come from? Increase taxes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. And how many people are going to go through med school when they'll never earn enough to pay it off? Medical education would be on a full scholarship for those willing to sign an employment contract with the National Health Service, for a term of years after graduation. It would be like ROTC scholarships for those who undertake a service obligation. No student loan burden to pay off. But if the graduates renege on their contracts, then they would have to pay the full cost retroactively. Wheres that money come from? Increase taxes? Windfall profits from unicorn semen sales. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:36:56 PM EDT
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get forced to go to work have another doctor put you on disability and you do the same for the other doctor. you are now both a protected class getting paid by the gov not to work Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama will punish them by Executive Order or the HHS will regulate them into submission. They can't make people come to work. Yet. get forced to go to work have another doctor put you on disability and you do the same for the other doctor. you are now both a protected class getting paid by the gov not to work it's GENIUS ! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:37:55 PM EDT
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I hope you start to choke to death and the only doctor for miles around reads this post before seeing you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. I hope you start to choke to death and the only doctor for miles around reads this post before seeing you. Never wrassle with a commie. You get dirty, and the commie likes it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:42:31 PM EDT
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That's a great plan: massive spending in medicine + long wait lists and crap care. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another problem (worse in my book) is doctors opting out of Medicare. The practice of medicine should be a calling, not a money-grubbing occupation. The solution is this: Medical education should be free, for candidates who qualify. Thereafter, the doctors should go on the government payroll (paid generously) and all the overhead costs of their practices should be covered by the government (these would be National Health Service clinics). Health care is a right that should be guaranteed to all citizens. That's a great plan: massive spending in medicine + long wait lists and crap care. In other threads, he's never returned to explain how we'll get new technology/drugs/etc....when the whole world (not just the US) loses any profit motive for coming up with new medical advances.... |
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