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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:36:47 PM EDT
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If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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General consensus is that Exchange 2013 wasn't fully baked when it was released. Exchange 2015 is due in a year. Yup... I can believe that. There are features in the Admin "console" that just don't work at all. I'm in a week and have already run up against that several times. 
If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it. Uggggghhhhh.... I hate shell/CLI stuff. I can do it, but I much prefer the GUI environment. And that's because I have to work on so many platforms throughout the day. In theory, a web-browser based GUI is how EVERYTHING should run its best -- and commonalty of function between vendors would be nice too! Yeah... I know... I'm dreaming so hard right now... 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:37:53 PM EDT
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They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. Has anyone tried telling them their email is not a filing system? Good luck with that one. I think I try and explain this concept once a week to someone. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:37:57 PM EDT
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Google Apps has different ToS than free Google services. I own my data and no advertising. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Cuz giving Google access to your companies confidential information is a great idea  Google Apps has different ToS than free Google services. I own my data and no advertising. It's also FISMA certified for federal government secure access, which would cover the needs of most state and local governments. They also has several other security certifications and audits. 45 state governments are using it, as well as some federal departments. My local city government fought with one of the last Exchange update (a year or more ago) and in the middle of almost a months worth of downtime and upgrade issues switched to Office 365. With Office 365, Google Apps and hosted exchange, you'd be silly to run your own email server now-a-days. I have 4500 users in Google Apps for Education (Faculty and Staff) and another 25,000 students. Imagine the number of servers I'd need for 30K mailboxes. I'm certainly glad I switched over years ago. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:39:25 PM EDT
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Uggggghhhhh.... I hate shell/CLI stuff. I can do it, but I much prefer the GUI environment. And that's because I have to work on so many platforms throughout the day. In theory, I web-browser based GUI is how EVERYTHING should run its best -- and commonalty of function between vendors would be nice too! Yeah... I know... I'm dreaming so hard right now...
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General consensus is that Exchange 2013 wasn't fully baked when it was released. Exchange 2015 is due in a year. Yup... I can believe that. There are features in the Admin "console" that just don't work at all. I'm in a week and have already run up against that several times.
If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it. Uggggghhhhh.... I hate shell/CLI stuff. I can do it, but I much prefer the GUI environment. And that's because I have to work on so many platforms throughout the day. In theory, I web-browser based GUI is how EVERYTHING should run its best -- and commonalty of function between vendors would be nice too! Yeah... I know... I'm dreaming so hard right now...
In all seriousness - powershell is pretty awesome if you take the time to learn some basic stuff. I'm out of the server side admin game - and thankful for it. When I was doing it and finally took the time to learn PS, my life became much easier. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:40:10 PM EDT
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Seriously... we migrated from our Exchange 2010 physical server last Thursday to a new Exchange 2013 VM and it's been hellish ever since. Seems like many of our 800 users have a myriad of issues that show no consistency regarding OS, Outlook version, etc. What a nightmare. I'm spending all of my time on PCs troubleshooting client issues instead of on the network where I belong. What a nightmare. Seems like Microsoft took the full "hope and change" movement to heart and made sure to just make a mess of everything for the sake of change. I don't care for the Exchange Admin interface either (though I like the fact that I can administer it from my browser). Microsoft... oh how I despise thee!!!  I havent messed with Exchange 2013 yet, but I've dealt with my share of Outlook 2013 client issues. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:40:43 PM EDT
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This is where we have been for the past several years, but with the new contextual based firewalls (mainly Cisco ASA CX/Firepower) this shouldn't be a problem moving forward. I have a couple of 5585-X's to install which will initiate a chain reaction of redeploying 5525-Xs to replace 5520s. As soon as the 5525-Xs are in place, we are going to POC the CX/Firepower stuff as supplemental to our Fireeye deployments and possibly as a replacement for our websense deployments. I was a little concerned when Cisco bought Sourcefire, but it looks like they are going to do it right. I have been able to sit on the sidelines somewhat for our Exchange 2013 upgrade, but I felt from the outset that this was Microsoft's way of forcing everyone to Office365. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Won't fly. Because of the public safety apps on our network and the security concerns that we're up against right now, we are buried behind multiple levels of firewalls. One of them is run by our ISP (the State) and they are clamping down on many/most of these cloud-based, peer-to-peer, WAN-based apps. Our users have come to depend on many of them and aren't too happy about it. This is where we have been for the past several years, but with the new contextual based firewalls (mainly Cisco ASA CX/Firepower) this shouldn't be a problem moving forward. I have a couple of 5585-X's to install which will initiate a chain reaction of redeploying 5525-Xs to replace 5520s. As soon as the 5525-Xs are in place, we are going to POC the CX/Firepower stuff as supplemental to our Fireeye deployments and possibly as a replacement for our websense deployments. I was a little concerned when Cisco bought Sourcefire, but it looks like they are going to do it right. I have been able to sit on the sidelines somewhat for our Exchange 2013 upgrade, but I felt from the outset that this was Microsoft's way of forcing everyone to Office365. Could not agree more with that part in red. This "thing" is already half in the cloud and half local. I fully understood that the moment it was installed and it made my very uncomfortable. We use Dell SonicWall firewalls and VPN solutions. LOVE them so far! But I have no idea what our ISP upstream uses and they tend to be illogical "network nazis" about stuff. I laugh every time one of my users looks at us with that "you guys are harshing my buzz" kind of look. Nope... we're not the nazis. They live upstream. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:42:03 PM EDT
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I've not read where Google won't mine your data though. Yes, you own it, but I don't see where they say they won't have their own access to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Cuz giving Google access to your companies confidential information is a great idea Google Apps has different ToS than free Google services. I own my data and no advertising. I've not read where Google won't mine your data though. Yes, you own it, but I don't see where they say they won't have their own access to it. No advertising, no need to mine data to target advertising. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:42:48 PM EDT
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I would love to help. My official title where I work is Messaging Engineer. However, that causes me to be involved in a lot. I am setting up Lync 2013 and SharePoint 2013 right now but my main responsibility is Exchange which causes me to be involved in Active Directory which I am secondly responsible for. We do all on-premisis stuff since I work for a law firm. There is no way we would migrate to Office 365. They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me know if you have any questions or if you need any help. I have quite a bit experience with Exchange 2013 and it's undocumented features. Seriously. This is all I do all day long... I read people's email. Very cool. I've dreamed of being able to be a specialist like that for years. But I'm probably too used to my schizo environment to ever try something that sane at this point!
May shoot a couple of things your way if our consultant doesn't come through. Mostly just venting in this thread about how much I HATE microsoft. From the very top, to the very bottom. I would love to help. My official title where I work is Messaging Engineer. However, that causes me to be involved in a lot. I am setting up Lync 2013 and SharePoint 2013 right now but my main responsibility is Exchange which causes me to be involved in Active Directory which I am secondly responsible for. We do all on-premisis stuff since I work for a law firm. There is no way we would migrate to Office 365. They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. We have a couple of high-ranking users here (legal, administration, law-enforcement) who have mailboxes and PSTs full of 15+ years of messages! It's ridiculous... especially since we have an Intradyne emaill archive appliance. But these users won't let go of their precious emails. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:44:28 PM EDT
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It's also FISMA certified for federal government secure access, which would cover the needs of most state and local governments. They also has several other security certifications and audits. 45 state governments are using it, as well as some federal departments. My local city government fought with one of the last Exchange update (a year or more ago) and in the middle of almost a months worth of downtime and upgrade issues switched to Office 365. With Office 365, Google Apps and hosted exchange, you'd be silly to run your own email server now-a-days. I have 4500 users in Google Apps for Education (Faculty and Staff) and another 25,000 students. Imagine the number of servers I'd need for 30K mailboxes. I'm certainly glad I switched over years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Cuz giving Google access to your companies confidential information is a great idea Google Apps has different ToS than free Google services. I own my data and no advertising. It's also FISMA certified for federal government secure access, which would cover the needs of most state and local governments. They also has several other security certifications and audits. 45 state governments are using it, as well as some federal departments. My local city government fought with one of the last Exchange update (a year or more ago) and in the middle of almost a months worth of downtime and upgrade issues switched to Office 365. With Office 365, Google Apps and hosted exchange, you'd be silly to run your own email server now-a-days. I have 4500 users in Google Apps for Education (Faculty and Staff) and another 25,000 students. Imagine the number of servers I'd need for 30K mailboxes. I'm certainly glad I switched over years ago. Yikes... I hope that isn't a crystal ball into our future here...
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:46:24 PM EDT
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In all seriousness - powershell is pretty awesome if you take the time to learn some basic stuff. I'm out of the server side admin game - and thankful for it. When I was doing it and finally took the time to learn PS, my life became much easier. Good to know. I may have to dive-in to that whether I want to or not. Admin console just sucks. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:50:19 PM EDT
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Good to know. I may have to dive-in to that whether I want to or not. Admin console just sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In all seriousness - powershell is pretty awesome if you take the time to learn some basic stuff. I'm out of the server side admin game - and thankful for it. When I was doing it and finally took the time to learn PS, my life became much easier. Good to know. I may have to dive-in to that whether I want to or not. Admin console just sucks. Yeah, it's really quite nice once you get into it. I was able to to some serious bulk AD changes to fix 22,000 users (students). I have to take a CSV export file from our student management database and I use that to populate the student's AD area. Recently, we had to add in grade level, etc. A simple change, run the script again and bam! all entries properly edited and updated nightly. When dealing with mass changes in AD, it's very useful and not at all hard to pick up. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:54:02 PM EDT
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Not to mention - in all likelihood someone has probably already done what you're trying to do, or something close enough.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:54:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is Active Directory... and yes it is still around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Haven't played with it in years. Does it still have that weird "forest and the trees" thing on setup? That is Active Directory... and yes it is still around. Going from an old complicated GAL to Active Directory was a bitch. I ended up having to delete the entire GAL and generate a new one because one item had a bad attribute. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:54:27 PM EDT
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Still on Exchange 07 here baby. Still on Exchange 03 here baby 
It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone tried telling them their email is not a filing system? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. Has anyone tried telling them their email is not a filing system? I spent years fighting users over public folders.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:58:11 PM EDT
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Still on Exchange 03 here baby
It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still on Exchange 07 here baby. Still on Exchange 03 here baby
It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. You're going to be in for a world of pain one day. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:59:01 PM EDT
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You can have my postfix / dovecot setup when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:48:35 PM EDT
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You can have my postfix / dovecot setup when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands I tried this on a personal basis, but could never get spamassassin working well enough for it to be usable. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:53:42 PM EDT
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You're going to be in for a world of pain one day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still on Exchange 07 here baby. Still on Exchange 03 here baby
It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. You're going to be in for a world of pain one day. WERD! We've leap-frogged versions of Exchange over the years, but never been more than two versions behind. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:55:14 PM EDT
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Microsoft did a poor job with the prerequisites. Office 2007 is basically a nogo with Exchange 2013 and if you have 2010 on the clients, it has to be on the latest SP. You will get used to the admin stuff. Client problems are a bitch.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:04:23 PM EDT
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Enjoy what happens when the -index- of the db goes corrupt.
I've got the procedure down if you need. Best case is a few hours of that server not working. Real fun. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:12:18 PM EDT
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Enjoy what happens when the -index- of the db goes corrupt. I've got the procedure down if you need. Best case is a few hours of that server not working. Real fun. Every time I think of the FUBAR mess that is Microsoft product "development"... I think of this guy... 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:14:43 PM EDT
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Still on Exchange 03 here baby
It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Outlook 2013 isn't supported on 2003, how are you getting around this? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:22:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:23:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:29:50 PM EDT
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Office 2013 is to Office as WinME is to Windows. Wish I could roll back to 2010/2007.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:52:49 PM EDT
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Let me know if you have any questions or if you need any help. I have quite a bit experience with Exchange 2013 and it's undocumented features. Seriously. This is all I do all day long... I read people's email. NSA gig? How's the career path? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:05:43 PM EDT
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Let me know if you have any questions or if you need any help. I have quite a bit experience with Exchange 2013 and it's undocumented features. Seriously. This is all I do all day long... I read people's email. NSA gig? How's the career path? Simple. Work for large international firm. Work up the ranks. People come to you when email needs to be read. Actually it is more or less one of those images that shows what my boss thinks I do, what my family thinks I do, what the world thinks I do (which is read their email), and what I actually do which is pull my hair out to stupid requests or as described earlier, tell them that Exchange / Outlook is not a filing system. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:11:54 PM EDT
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You can get away with this if your are dominate in your market .
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:15:46 PM EDT
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Office 365 is terrible, 99% reliability my ass. I'm on a team trying to get all the teachers at my school working with it for lesson plans, file sharing, student tracking, progress monitoring, etc. and it's been nothing but hell to network and operate. All the 2013 programs suck - nothing syncs right, especially OneNote.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:18:09 PM EDT
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My company is on Office 365 and we have had major issues with Lync for nearly two weeks. Phones don't ring, when they do, they cut out worse than a cell phone. I is so bad that I have all my Lync calls forwarded to my cell.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:19:46 PM EDT
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We have a couple of high-ranking users here (legal, administration, law-enforcement) who have mailboxes and PSTs full of 15+ years of messages! It's ridiculous... especially since we have an Intradyne emaill archive appliance. But these users won't let go of their precious emails. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me know if you have any questions or if you need any help. I have quite a bit experience with Exchange 2013 and it's undocumented features. Seriously. This is all I do all day long... I read people's email. Very cool. I've dreamed of being able to be a specialist like that for years. But I'm probably too used to my schizo environment to ever try something that sane at this point!
May shoot a couple of things your way if our consultant doesn't come through. Mostly just venting in this thread about how much I HATE microsoft. From the very top, to the very bottom. I would love to help. My official title where I work is Messaging Engineer. However, that causes me to be involved in a lot. I am setting up Lync 2013 and SharePoint 2013 right now but my main responsibility is Exchange which causes me to be involved in Active Directory which I am secondly responsible for. We do all on-premisis stuff since I work for a law firm. There is no way we would migrate to Office 365. They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. We have a couple of high-ranking users here (legal, administration, law-enforcement) who have mailboxes and PSTs full of 15+ years of messages! It's ridiculous... especially since we have an Intradyne emaill archive appliance. But these users won't let go of their precious emails. Exactly why you should get that email off-site ASAP. PST's shit themselves when they go over 2GB. With Google Apps, each user gets a 30GB mailbox and can buy more space if they need it. The Outlook Sync utility lets them continue to use Outlook if they don't want to switch to GMail. Google Vault ensures that you never lose an email, accidentally or intentionally. Oh, and it's all free for non-profits and educational institutions. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:02:10 PM EDT
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On 2010 no plans of upgrading. Just went through and still fixing the Postini Classic to Google Apps GMS GMV migration. What a cluster. I am still missing 1 month of email except spam from my archive I'm required to have
 they are "Working" on it. The second fun thing lately has been imposing user limits again on our staff. We had a former admin previously who didn't like complaints so he removed all limits in exchange. He also removed all of the retention policies from all accounts including the service accounts. all said and done when we had a issue one account ballooned to 145GB in one night. This is what happens when you don't set sending limits on error alerts with 100MB logs getting send several times a second. That was a fun day.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:04:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly why you should get that email off-site ASAP. PST's shit themselves when they go over 2GB. With Google Apps, each user gets a 30GB mailbox and can buy more space if they need it. The Outlook Sync utility lets them continue to use Outlook if they don't want to switch to GMail. Google Vault ensures that you never lose an email, accidentally or intentionally. Oh, and it's all free for non-profits and educational institutions. I have crashed my outlook this year with that limit. (not my account)
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:06:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Seriously... we migrated from our Exchange 2010 physical server last Thursday to a new Exchange 2013 VM and it's been hellish ever since. Seems like many of our 800 users have a myriad of issues that show no consistency regarding OS, Outlook version, etc. What a nightmare. I'm spending all of my time on PCs troubleshooting client issues instead of on the network where I belong. What a nightmare. Seems like Microsoft took the full "hope and change" movement to heart and made sure to just make a mess of everything for the sake of change. I don't care for the Exchange Admin interface either (though I like the fact that I can administer it from my browser). Microsoft... oh how I despise thee!!! I used to maintain an Exchange server here. And then we switched to Microsoft hosted Exchange, and I couldn't be happier. Good luck! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:13:34 PM EDT
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from MSFT By default, Personal Folders (.pst) and offline Outlook Data File (.ost) files are in Unicode format in Microsoft Outlook 2010 and Outlook 2013. The overall size of .pst and .ost files has a preconfigured limit of 50 GB. This limit is larger than the limit for Unicode .pst and .ost files in Outlook 2007 and Outlook 2003. For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: I have crashed my outlook this year with that limit. (not my account) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly why you should get that email off-site ASAP. PST's shit themselves when they go over 2GB. With Google Apps, each user gets a 30GB mailbox and can buy more space if they need it. The Outlook Sync utility lets them continue to use Outlook if they don't want to switch to GMail. Google Vault ensures that you never lose an email, accidentally or intentionally. Oh, and it's all free for non-profits and educational institutions. from MSFT By default, Personal Folders (.pst) and offline Outlook Data File (.ost) files are in Unicode format in Microsoft Outlook 2010 and Outlook 2013. The overall size of .pst and .ost files has a preconfigured limit of 50 GB. This limit is larger than the limit for Unicode .pst and .ost files in Outlook 2007 and Outlook 2003. For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: I have crashed my outlook this year with that limit. (not my account) PST files are deprecated; users should really be on cached Exchange mode. My favorite is when a user decides to clean up their inbox with the built-in Archive function. Of course they use the default Outlook \users\username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Outlook path that isn't backed up automatically so they lose their mail when their hard drive crashes. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:35:12 PM EDT
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Still on Exchange 07 here baby. Oh gawd, go to 2010. SOOOOO much better. Easy migration path. Look at the pattern: 5.0 - Half baked - Windows Mail plus a few things 5.5 - Solid. 2000 - Suck city 2003 - Awesome! 2007 - Released three years too soon. 2010 - Kicks ASS! 2013 - ???? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:50:03 PM EDT
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They couldn't support us anyway due to mailbox sizes. Has anyone tried telling them their email is not a filing system? I have a mid sized law office for a client and they were using the deleted items as a filing system. Over half the users had folders and subfolders by client name, case type, etc in their DELETED ITEMS folder. Never seen anything like it. They said they didn't want to delete the emails because they MIGHT be needed in the future. I had to remind them how cheap drives are and I don't care how damn big their mailboxes get as long as it was legit and Larry the IT janitor could dump their ENTIRE deleted items on a regular basis. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:29:27 AM EDT
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It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Outlook 2013 isn't supported on 2003, how are you getting around this? My department on campus is still on Office 2010. The rest of the campus (SDSU) migrated to Gmail. I fought tooth and nail to keep my deaprtments Exchange server. New boss came in and while I was ready to migrate to gmail, he told me to wait because he wants to move campus to AD and hosted Exchange. Campus has no central identity management so he wants active directory. That seems to be the biggest problem with gmail, no ldap of any kind. Anyways, in holding pattern now. I hope to at least move to 2010 soon. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:48:13 AM EDT
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Dumped Exchange for Kerio. Works with Outlook and all its functions as well as supports mobile devices (iPhones, Androids). Migrated from Exchange 03 several years back to Kerio with their conversion tools. Couldn't be happier.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:12:29 AM EDT
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My department on campus is still on Office 2010. The rest of the campus (SDSU) migrated to Gmail. I fought tooth and nail to keep my deaprtments Exchange server. New boss came in and while I was ready to migrate to gmail, he told me to wait because he wants to move campus to AD and hosted Exchange. Campus has no central identity management so he wants active directory. That seems to be the biggest problem with gmail, no ldap of any kind. Anyways, in holding pattern now. I hope to at least move to 2010 soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Outlook 2013 isn't supported on 2003, how are you getting around this? My department on campus is still on Office 2010. The rest of the campus (SDSU) migrated to Gmail. I fought tooth and nail to keep my deaprtments Exchange server. New boss came in and while I was ready to migrate to gmail, he told me to wait because he wants to move campus to AD and hosted Exchange. Campus has no central identity management so he wants active directory. That seems to be the biggest problem with gmail, no ldap of any kind. Anyways, in holding pattern now. I hope to at least move to 2010 soon. Google supports Active Directory. You need to run the Google Apps Directory Sync utility on one of your domain controllers. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:15:24 AM EDT
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It just keeps on working. Not sure why I would need to upgrade. Outlook 2013 isn't supported on 2003, how are you getting around this? My department on campus is still on Office 2010. The rest of the campus (SDSU) migrated to Gmail. I fought tooth and nail to keep my deaprtments Exchange server. New boss came in and while I was ready to migrate to gmail, he told me to wait because he wants to move campus to AD and hosted Exchange. Campus has no central identity management so he wants active directory. That seems to be the biggest problem with gmail, no ldap of any kind. Anyways, in holding pattern now. I hope to at least move to 2010 soon. Google supports Active Directory. You need to run the Google Apps Directory Sync utility on one of your domain controllers. Right, but campus does not have a central domain structure. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:42:01 AM EDT
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If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it. You're scaring me with this Lync stuff. I've recently decided to GTFO of my gig and lean back into IT. My last MCSE card was issued in 1998; I'm hoping to have a nice shiny new one in a few months. It can't possibly be as stressful and prematurely aging as the bullshit I'm dealing with now..... ....can it? I'm thinking I'm doing Server 2012 then Sharepoint as the cert path. 410, 411, 412 then 331 and 332 |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:48:02 PM EDT
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Google supports Active Directory. You need to run the Google Apps Directory Sync utility on one of your domain controllers. Right, but campus does not have a central domain structure. With the proper scripting in place, you can sync just about anything to gmail in one form or another. Database, LDAP servers, AD, etc. I even have a nightly database dump from our student database that I populate AD with that syncs to gmail. You can also use different Google Apps Directory Sync configurations for different sources and destinations (so you can use multiple sources to populate a single or multiple gmail domains. Google has a command line utility called GAM (Google Apps Manager) that runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, that you can script account creation and even migrate data. https://github.com/jay0lee/GAM With that, you could take a nightly list of users and create accounts, change settings, reset passwords, etc. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:35:37 PM EDT
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You're scaring me with this Lync stuff. I've recently decided to GTFO of my gig and lean back into IT. My last MCSE card was issued in 1998; I'm hoping to have a nice shiny new one in a few months. It can't possibly be as stressful and prematurely aging as the bullshit I'm dealing with now..... ....can it? I'm thinking I'm doing Server 2012 then Sharepoint as the cert path. 410, 411, 412 then 331 and 332 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it. You're scaring me with this Lync stuff. I've recently decided to GTFO of my gig and lean back into IT. My last MCSE card was issued in 1998; I'm hoping to have a nice shiny new one in a few months. It can't possibly be as stressful and prematurely aging as the bullshit I'm dealing with now..... ....can it? I'm thinking I'm doing Server 2012 then Sharepoint as the cert path. 410, 411, 412 then 331 and 332 You're asking the wrong guy. I stick with voice for a reason. The only reason I got roped into the Lync 2013 thing, was because of its IP-PBX integration. When the guy who was in charge of the implementation kept fucking up (and I kept being good with Google and reading Microsoft's own documentation - I just wanted my shit to work), somebody eventually said "Hey, you're pretty good at this. It's your baby now."
I thought I was out of this shit.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:37:10 PM EDT
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You're scaring me with this Lync stuff. I've recently decided to GTFO of my gig and lean back into IT. My last MCSE card was issued in 1998; I'm hoping to have a nice shiny new one in a few months. It can't possibly be as stressful and prematurely aging as the bullshit I'm dealing with now..... ....can it? I'm thinking I'm doing Server 2012 then Sharepoint as the cert path. 410, 411, 412 then 331 and 332 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it's anything like Lync 2013, you'd do well to just abandon all of that and get used to using cmdlets instead. I did, and I'm much happier for it. You're scaring me with this Lync stuff. I've recently decided to GTFO of my gig and lean back into IT. My last MCSE card was issued in 1998; I'm hoping to have a nice shiny new one in a few months. It can't possibly be as stressful and prematurely aging as the bullshit I'm dealing with now..... ....can it? I'm thinking I'm doing Server 2012 then Sharepoint as the cert path. 410, 411, 412 then 331 and 332 Depends on where you work and what you do. Me and a few other regular posters have chimed-in about our wishes to get out of our IT careers on many occasions. You may find things different where you land, or maybe you've got a new, fresh, naive view about IT. I'm jaded. Been doing this for 20+ years. Technology does NOT excite me. After work I try to stay the hell away from technology as much as possible. If I could get into a career that paid enough to get-by on that was low-tech, I would do it in a second. It's been on my mind for several years now. I used to load packages in trucks and jets. I enjoyed that gig. I really did. I would go back to doing that in a second (if my body could take it now). At some point, I will bite the bullet and jump the IT ship. For my sanity!
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:41:08 PM EDT
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So glad I got into a special little niche area of IT, even if I have to make up for it with statistical tests.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:44:58 PM EDT
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Cuz giving Google access to your companies confidential information is a great idea Indeed. People suggesting Google need a serious head examination. LOL... but you'll trust Microsoft with your data. OK. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:09:27 PM EDT
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2013 is shit so you move to Ofice 365. Google Apps, brah. Cuz giving Google access to your companies confidential information is a great idea Indeed. People suggesting Google need a serious head examination. Google apps for business is a legit business class service. The user agreement is totally different than the free service offered to the masses. That said, I don't see how or why any small business would use google apps instead of Office365, unless that company were trying to go completely open source. Office365 has different licenses available, but for example. For $10 / user / month you get: Hosted Exchange - which is arguably the premier mailbox / calendaring server side software. Hosted Sharepoint - which again, is one of the best collaboration tools available - if one has the expertise to 'build it' to ones needs. Hosted Lync - an excellent intra and intercompany IM solution - which can also integrate with PBX as the company grows. MS Office Professional - which is pretty much THE Office software for businesses to use. And other assorted licenses are available for MS Project, Visio, and such. All this without ever having to touch a server, pay a server admin, or deal with the myriad issues of running your own gear. As I no longer have access to an MSDN subscription I use Office365 personally for my own email hosting and MS Office needs. I am well satisfied with it. |
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