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Runway heading to at LEAST 1000 feet....... Then, and ONLY THEN, think about turning...... IF it all quits, point it straight ahead, and aim for something cheap and soft...... Turning back to the runway almost NEVER works out well.......Engine out, in a bit of a panic, airspeed drops, steep turn, and STALL......with NO ROOM or altitude to recover..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My local news said the plane lost an engine on takeoff Tried to turn back and didn't make the runway. Runway heading to at LEAST 1000 feet....... Then, and ONLY THEN, think about turning...... IF it all quits, point it straight ahead, and aim for something cheap and soft...... Turning back to the runway almost NEVER works out well.......Engine out, in a bit of a panic, airspeed drops, steep turn, and STALL......with NO ROOM or altitude to recover..... That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. |
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. View Quote not with a proficient pilot. |
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My local news said the plane lost an engine on takeoff Tried to turn back and didn't make the runway. Runway heading to at LEAST 1000 feet....... Then, and ONLY THEN, think about turning...... IF it all quits, point it straight ahead, and aim for something cheap and soft...... Turning back to the runway almost NEVER works out well.......Engine out, in a bit of a panic, airspeed drops, steep turn, and STALL......with NO ROOM or altitude to recover..... That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. |
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Uggh
They are saying it was a King Air "super" B200. Probably loaded with a lot of fuel too. |
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. not with a proficient pilot. |
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. |
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Mom works one building to the north. Said it is pretty chaotic around there.
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I got my Learjet type rating in that building back in 06. Holy shit!
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fuck!
3 Code black in sims and one on the roof. They didn't know what hit them. |
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Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... Lol I am pretty sure you have no idea what coffin corner is! A clue for you, it doesn't occur on take off! |
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... Don't know what coffin corner has to do with takeoff, maybe it means something different in small aircraft |
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... Not trying to bash you here, but coffin corner has nothing to do with an aircraft losing an engine on takeoff. |
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... You have the wrong definition of coffin corner :) |
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Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. |
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My local news said the plane lost an engine on takeoff Tried to turn back and didn't make the runway. Runway heading to at LEAST 1000 feet....... Then, and ONLY THEN, think about turning...... IF it all quits, point it straight ahead, and aim for something cheap and soft...... Turning back to the runway almost NEVER works out well.......Engine out, in a bit of a panic, airspeed drops, steep turn, and STALL......with NO ROOM or altitude to recover..... That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. He's right you know. Only 121 pilots are professional enough to know how to respond to a stall. Oh wait, too soon? https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/summary/AAR1001.html |
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Don't know what coffin corner has to do with takeoff, maybe it means something different in small aircraft View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... Don't know what coffin corner has to do with takeoff, maybe it means something different in small aircraft That's what everyone called it in private lessons when people tried to make that turn back to the runway after a power loss in the pattern or after takeoff. After further review, I change my answer to "IMPOSSIBLE TURN". Excuse me gods of flight. |
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That's what everyone called it in private lessons when people tried to make that turn back to the runway after a power loss in the pattern or after takeoff. Now is where shitfucks tell me my master's karate is shit or some other epeen enhancing quip. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is what someone would do if they know what they are doing. General aviation, not so much. Coffin corner is covered extensively in private pilot lessons and texts..... Don't know what coffin corner has to do with takeoff, maybe it means something different in small aircraft That's what everyone called it in private lessons when people tried to make that turn back to the runway after a power loss in the pattern or after takeoff. Now is where shitfucks tell me my master's karate is shit or some other epeen enhancing quip. The "Impossible Turn" |
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especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. I won't bash the pilot/crew. Shit happens. A climb out engine failure doesn't give you many options especially in a twin prop plane. If they were at altitude and had this issue it would be a very different story. |
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CNN has some NTSB ditz on babbling. 'She is saying just because he lost an engine is no excuse for crashing', or some such shit. Derp. Um, Yeah, if a twin loses power in one engine on a take off roll it is going to be ugly quick. Very sad situation. not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. Plus, who knows what other contributing factors there were...over gross, CG out of limit... |
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Don't confuse a King Air B200 with a Piper Seminole. King Airs can lose an engine and still climb. Of course, if they were loaded up pretty heavy since someone mentioned it was an ER version, who knows. Sad for all involved.
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Sounds like the plane was being ferried. They are saying there was one person aboard.
They are also saying the building has partially collapsed. 4 dead, 4 injured, 4 missing. |
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I won't bash the pilot/crew. Shit happens. A climb out engine failure doesn't give you many options especially in a twin prop plane. If they were at altitude and had this issue it would be a very different story. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. I won't bash the pilot/crew. Shit happens. A climb out engine failure doesn't give you many options especially in a twin prop plane. If they were at altitude and had this issue it would be a very different story. The only reason I made that comment is because he made the radio call saying he lost the engine. If he had his hands full, talking on the radio has zero priority. Aviate, navigate, communicate. That right there is a fuck up, and not the first time somebody hit the ground talking on the radio instead of flying the aircraft, nor will it he the last. |
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Isn't "coffin corner" where stall and VNE are really close to each other. Wouldn't a engine out on takeoff crash be more likely cause by a failure to maintain VMC.
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Plus, who knows what other contributing factors there were...over gross, CG out of limit... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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not with a proficient pilot. Possibly. Even a proficient pilot would have a hand full of shit sandwich. Engine out on climb out in a twin is not a good situation to be in. especially when you are talking on the radio instead of flying to a safe altitude. Plus, who knows what other contributing factors there were...over gross, CG out of limit... like I said in post above, if he had his hands full flying, for what ever additional reason shit went wrong, talking on the radio telling tower he lost an engine equates to fucking up by mis-prioritization . |
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The only reason I made that comment is because he made the radio call saying he lost the engine. If he had his hands full, talking on the radio has zero priority. Aviate, navigate, communicate. That right there is a fuck up, and not the first time somebody hit the ground talking on the radio instead of flying the aircraft, nor will it he the last. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I won't bash the pilot/crew. Shit happens. A climb out engine failure doesn't give you many options especially in a twin prop plane. If they were at altitude and had this issue it would be a very different story. The only reason I made that comment is because he made the radio call saying he lost the engine. If he had his hands full, talking on the radio has zero priority. Aviate, navigate, communicate. That right there is a fuck up, and not the first time somebody hit the ground talking on the radio instead of flying the aircraft, nor will it he the last. You are totally right. Communication outside the cabin is the last thing you do in that situation. |
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Don't confuse a King Air B200 with a Piper Seminole. King Airs can lose an engine and still climb. Of course, if they were loaded up pretty heavy since someone mentioned it was an ER version, who knows. Sad for all involved. No reason to place blame on the crew, yet. View Quote Don't worry Mach is already blaming all of GA, not just the flight crew. |
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You have to really work at it to get a B200 out of CG. As long as the Autofeather works on the engine a loss of power on one engine in a King Air is something a well trained pilot can handle easily. Obviously something went south! Did the pilot get below Vmc? Did the prop not feather? Like you said was it out of CG and or overloaded? Was is a combination of all these things? Im sure the NTSB will figure it out. |
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection.
Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. |
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reported 4 dead and several others unaccounted for. Just pilot onboard so rest from building. I still want to hear about the pilot. US citizen or foreign student pilot or what? Live stream going on now for those interested. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plane-crashes-building-mid-continent-airport-wichita-n237521
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like I said in post above, if he had his hands full flying, for what ever additional reason shit went wrong, talking on the radio telling tower he lost an engine equates to fucking up by mis-prioritization . Harsh but fair. Gravity and physics are unwavering laws. |
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firefighters are reporting one are of building has collapsed and imminent danger of additional areas collapsing. I assume building has been evacuated and none trapped but who knows at this point.
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection. Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. View Quote The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? |
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The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection. Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? Very possible, but maintenance acceptance flights are often VFR, so I don't know if most tracking software would see it. |
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What I am finding is the plane has recently been purchased by Beechcraft, and just finished a phase 1-4 inspections yesterday.
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The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection. Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? Looks like that was the arrival to the airport. FBO? |
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reported 4 dead and several others unaccounted for. Just pilot onboard so rest from building. I still want to hear about the pilot. US citizen or foreign student pilot or what? Live stream going on now for those interested. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plane-crashes-building-mid-continent-airport-wichita-n237521 View Quote one of Al Qaeda's chief targets is flight training schools.... yep .... he sounded pretty American to me on the radio..... |
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Not saying it happened, but flight controls have been known to be incorrectly rigged. However, if that was the case (extremely rare), the pilot should have caught that mistake during preflight checks.
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection. Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? Very possible, but maintenance acceptance flights are often VFR, so I don't know if most tracking software would see it. Heading to Mena, AR. Maintenance in Wichita then refitting in Mena? To the guy who wanted to know where the pilot was from....sounded like an older white guy on LiveATC. |
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The aircraft just got done with a major inspection. Somebody is going to have their shit inspected. Calling it Phase 1-4 major inspection. The last flight shown on Flightaware was September 16, 2014. It is possible that this was the first flight after inspection to verify the airworthiness? Very possible, but maintenance acceptance flights are often VFR, so I don't know if most tracking software would see it. Heading to Mena, AR. Maintenance in Wichita then refitting in Mena? To the guy who wanted to know where the pilot was from....sounded like an older white guy on LiveATC. It sounds like the plane was either sold or in the process of being sold. The owner is still listed in the records. It is a major chain store that used it. |
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