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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:50:21 AM EDT
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7.62x39 is way cheaper and a 100FPS hotter then .300BO and it can be loaded subsonic just as easy if need be. Other than that i cant think of anything.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Does anyone make AR lowers that accept AK mags beside MGI?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:55:16 AM EDT
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Does anyone make AR lowers that accept AK mags beside MGI? RRA ETA- looks like the RRA LAR47 may use a proprietary upper |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:55:29 AM EDT
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Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? Can't think of one. Kind of want to play with one of the new Sig rifles and get all the stuff to shoot both, just because though. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:02:29 AM EDT
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... Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? It gave me an AR (my favorite rifle platform, hands down) in a better caliber than .223 for hunting deer here (small whitetail, short distances) long before other larger-caliber ARs became so common. I shaved the FS on a Colt 20" FT 7.62x39mm upper and it was surprisingly accurate with traditional glass on it. But, being honest, I only used it a few times going after deer, then went back my old lever guns. Did the same again years later when I built a 6.8 AR for the very same reason. For some reason (habit, nostalgia, etc.), I always go back to a .30-30 like I grew up with eventually. 
Sold the 20" to a friend who hunts a lot more than I do, and he loves it. I still have 2 carbines in that caliber (old Colt 16" uppers), but they are more of a "just because" thing. I have a bunch of ARs in a bunch of different chamberings, and I like the oddballs for some reason. FWIW, they both work fine with the old original Frankenmags and the later CP/ASC mags, as well as the one Chinese drum I was able to come up with (from the EE here years ago, IIRC). So I honestly can't make a very good case for "need"... but "want" has always been enough for me. YMMV. (Oh, and I have several other rifles in that caliber, so it isn't like I keep it on hand just for those carbines... heck, I can't tell you the last time either one was even fired.  )
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:04:51 AM EDT
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What is the appeal? I understood the benefits of 5.45 because of how cheap 7n6 was, but steel case .223 and steel case 7.62x39 are within 2 CPR of each other. Apparently there are magazine reliability issues (of course this could be resolved by using a LAR-47 or MGI lower), from my understanding reloading for 7.62x39 is more difficult than reloading for 5.56, and even with the longer sight radius provided by an AR15 with irons as opposed to an AK the round itself is not as accurate as 5.56. The only potential positive I see to having an AR in 7.62x39 is having a familiar platform with high parts interchangeability available to shoot 7.62x39 in a SHTFantasy situation (which is still unrealistic since the Russians and Chinese have adopted newer calibers in their main battle rifles). Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? No advantage, the tapered commie round is not something Stoner had in mind when he designed the AR. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:06:32 AM EDT
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For the same ballistics with better reliability, 300 Blk is a much better (albeit more expensive per round) option than 762x39 in an AR platform.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:08:50 AM EDT
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:13:37 AM EDT
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No advantage, the tapered commie round is not something Stoner had in mind when he designed the AR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the appeal? I understood the benefits of 5.45 because of how cheap 7n6 was, but steel case .223 and steel case 7.62x39 are within 2 CPR of each other. Apparently there are magazine reliability issues (of course this could be resolved by using a LAR-47 or MGI lower), from my understanding reloading for 7.62x39 is more difficult than reloading for 5.56, and even with the longer sight radius provided by an AR15 with irons as opposed to an AK the round itself is not as accurate as 5.56. The only potential positive I see to having an AR in 7.62x39 is having a familiar platform with high parts interchangeability available to shoot 7.62x39 in a SHTFantasy situation (which is still unrealistic since the Russians and Chinese have adopted newer calibers in their main battle rifles). Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? No advantage, the tapered commie round is not something Stoner had in mind when he designed the AR. This. To get the true parts commonality that's such an advantage for the AR pattern, you have to give up feeding reliability. If you want the ballistics, go 6.8 or 300blk. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:15:30 AM EDT
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac. For those who reload, or those who don't insist on large stockpiles of ammo, maybe. For me, .300 makes far less sense than 7.62x39mm. (Or .308, for that matter.) But I don't reload and commonality of calibers is a huge deal to me, and it isn't for everyone... in fact, I'm probably well in the minority on that issue. If .300 ever becomes more widely available in bulk and comes down in price, I'm sure I'll be tempted to try it. Ain't there yet. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:23:24 AM EDT
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I have one.
Range trips are too few and far between, so I haven't put many rounds through it. I have not seen .300 Blackout ammo for sale at Walmart. No 6.8 SPC, no 6.5 Grendel either. But I have seen plenty of 7.62X39 ammo for sale. Plus, I am in Illinois, so without a suppressor, there isn't much appeal to .300 Blackout, for me. Your mileage may vary. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:30:37 AM EDT
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The only reason I can see is if you were gonna add an AR to your collection of AKs, SKSs, and Mini-30s. Other than having a lot already invested in 7.62 x 39, I can't see any reason to start out with one, especially when .300 Blk is so readily available.
For reloading, it's just as senseless, b/c the 7.62 uses a .310" bullet instead of the .308" common to .300 Blk and most other .30 cal rounds (to say nothing of other issues, like Berdan primers). |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:34:06 AM EDT
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For those who reload, or those who don't insist on large stockpiles of ammo, maybe. For me, .300 makes far less sense than 7.62x39mm. (Or .308, for that matter.) But commonality of calibers is a huge deal to me, and it isn't for everyone... in fact, I'm probably well in the minority on that issue. If .300 ever becomes more widely available in bulk and comes down in price, I'm sure I'll be tempted to try it. Ain't there yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac. For those who reload, or those who don't insist on large stockpiles of ammo, maybe. For me, .300 makes far less sense than 7.62x39mm. (Or .308, for that matter.) But commonality of calibers is a huge deal to me, and it isn't for everyone... in fact, I'm probably well in the minority on that issue. If .300 ever becomes more widely available in bulk and comes down in price, I'm sure I'll be tempted to try it. Ain't there yet. if you're shooting an AR and not reloading, then you should be shooting 5.56. 7.62x39 in an AR makes no sense at all. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:50:26 AM EDT
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac. Yeah except for drastically cheaper ammo. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:51:37 AM EDT
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if you're shooting an AR and not reloading, then you should be shooting 5.56. 7.62x39 in an AR makes no sense at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac. For those who reload, or those who don't insist on large stockpiles of ammo, maybe. For me, .300 makes far less sense than 7.62x39mm. (Or .308, for that matter.) But commonality of calibers is a huge deal to me, and it isn't for everyone... in fact, I'm probably well in the minority on that issue. If .300 ever becomes more widely available in bulk and comes down in price, I'm sure I'll be tempted to try it. Ain't there yet. if you're shooting an AR and not reloading, then you should be shooting 5.56. 7.62x39 in an AR makes no sense at all. Yeah unless you want something significantly more powerful and cheaper to shoot. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:53:58 AM EDT
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I'm thinking of one of the lowers that uses AK mags, but since there's no hold open feature, a side-charging handle upper would make more sense than the ordinary T handle. Right...? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:55:51 AM EDT
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More powerful than 5.56. More available and cheaper than .300 and 6.8. Cheaper than .308. Some states prohibit deer hunting with .223.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:24:34 PM EDT
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For the same ballistics with better reliability, 300 Blk is a much better (albeit more expensive per round) option than 762x39 in an AR platform. +1 |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:33:38 PM EDT
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if you're shooting an AR and not reloading, then you should be shooting 5.56. 7.62x39 in an AR makes no sense at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AK and 7.62x39 guy here but in an AR-15 you'd be stupid to try to shoot 7.62x39 through one when you could simply use 300 aac. For those who reload, or those who don't insist on large stockpiles of ammo, maybe. For me, .300 makes far less sense than 7.62x39mm. (Or .308, for that matter.) But commonality of calibers is a huge deal to me, and it isn't for everyone... in fact, I'm probably well in the minority on that issue. If .300 ever becomes more widely available in bulk and comes down in price, I'm sure I'll be tempted to try it. Ain't there yet. if you're shooting an AR and not reloading, then you should be shooting 5.56. 7.62x39 in an AR makes no sense at all. I do shoot 5.56, and that's what the majority of my ARs are. But I have ARs in a bunch of different chamberings that are shot less frequently, and I think 7.62 fits nicely in the mix whether you think it "makes sense" or not. 
The main rifle rounds I have stacked deep are 5.56, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, and 7.62x 51. I have ARs in all four and AKs in three of them, as well as other rifles in each. The only rifles I have that are not in one of those calibers are my rimfires, lever-actions, M1s and M1Cs, and a lone .50B (or the PCCs). I keep a good amount of ammo on hand for all but the Beowulf, but nothing like what I keep for the four primary rounds. And I used to have stuff all over the map, but spent years eliminating most odd rounds and streamlining it to those four. I did similarly with handgun calibers, more so in fact, and for the same reasons. Zero regrets, personally, but I realize it ain't for everyone. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:35:49 PM EDT
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies.
 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:39:38 PM EDT
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Yeah unless you want something significantly more powerful and cheaper to shoot.
Significantly more powerful? Maybe mathematically (even that's pretty dubious). No advantage in threat incapacitation. And sure it's cheaper to shoot... if you shoot garbage ammo. AKs are designed to run on garbage ammo... ARs aren't. Other than sitting on a boatload of 7.62X39 or just wanting something different, there really isn't a good reason to do a 7.62X39 AR. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:53:24 PM EDT
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I have one and use it with 5 and 10 round mags only to deer hunt with. It makes a great medium range medium game platform. The lower cap mags are completely reliable. Of course I use usa made hunting ammo for that purpose. I have hunted with the 556 as well but have more confidence in the 7.62 for reliably leaving an exit wound. It works great for me. I find the terminal performance to be on par with that of the 30-30 150 grain load which is perfect deer medicine.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:21:04 PM EDT
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. Is it loud in the office when he is breathing through his mouth? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:24:06 PM EDT
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. Is it loud in the office when he is breathing through his mouth? Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:37:03 PM EDT
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Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. Is it loud in the office when he is breathing through his mouth? Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. I bet he sings the praises of the $100 tent stake Mosin Nagant, too.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:38:02 PM EDT
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Because you need more ARs OP.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:40:07 PM EDT
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For the same ballistics with better reliability, 300 Blk is a much better (albeit more expensive per round) option than 762x39 in an AR platform. just as cheap, if you reload. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:40:46 PM EDT
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AR in 7.62x39... Why?
Because this: 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. The look on their face was  |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:42:23 PM EDT
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I bet he sings the praises of the $100 tent stake Mosin Nagant, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. Is it loud in the office when he is breathing through his mouth? Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. I bet he sings the praises of the $100 tent stake Mosin Nagant, too. it may not be a great rifle, but if you think a mosin is a BAD rifle, you're delusional. it is easily the most cost-effective rifle a new shooter can buy, for almost any purpose that a bolt gun can serve. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:44:26 PM EDT
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Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a friend at work who has one. He said the only reason he got it is for when the Russians invade the USA he can take the ammo off the dead ruskies. Is it loud in the office when he is breathing through his mouth? Hes not a bad dude he just has terrible fucking taste in firearms.....example:his favorite pistol is a tokarev. Nothing wrong with a TT-33 if you remove the ATF mandated safety. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:45:09 PM EDT
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AR in 7.62x39... Why? Because this: <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/huffskies/media/Video/20140125_172404_27506_zps7d4e5488.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/huffskies/Video/20140125_172404_27506_zps7d4e5488.jpg</a> welp, I'm building one after I finish my 300 blackout pistol now. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:48:12 PM EDT
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I bought a pre-ban Colt a few years ago. For me, the appeal was the low price AND because it was a bit "different" from the crowd.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:51:27 PM EDT
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AR in 7.62x39... Why? Because this: <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/huffskies/media/Video/20140125_172404_27506_zps7d4e5488.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/huffskies/Video/20140125_172404_27506_zps7d4e5488.jpg</a> welp, I'm building one after I finish my 300 blackout pistol now. Enhanced firing pin, good bolt, and cproduct/whatever brand they became mags. Ran like a sewing machine |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:56:58 PM EDT
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Because you need more ARs OP. I already have ARs in .22LR, 5.45, 5.56, .300, and .308. If I want more ARs I'll buy them in a caliber I already own or in a caliber that doesn't do what the other calibers I have do |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:59:57 PM EDT
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Because you need more ARs OP. I already have ARs in .22LR, 5.45, 5.56, .300, and .308. If I want more ARs I'll buy them in a caliber I already own or in a caliber that doesn't do what the other calibers I have do Like I said, you need more! |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:08:19 PM EDT
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... If I want more ARs I'll buy them in a caliber I already own or in a caliber that doesn't do what the other calibers I have do And that was more or less my reasoning back when I first put together my 7.62x39mm ARs. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:18:48 PM EDT
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Why not just get an AK?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:21:46 PM EDT
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Why not just get an AK? Already have a dozen or more. Couple of them SBR'd, even.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:25:55 PM EDT
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Already have a dozen or more. Couple of them SBR'd, even.
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Why not just get an AK? Already have a dozen or more. Couple of them SBR'd, even.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:27:10 PM EDT
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I shot a 7 point from 285 yards with a Colt AR in 7.62x39 Wolf 154gr SP.
It took 10 steps and dropped. I've shot a few other deer with it, they drop immediately. The rifle is reliable, I enjoy shooting 7.62x39 more than .223, and it's been $0.20 for several months now, whereas .223 has just been getting to the $0.25 range. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:27:54 PM EDT
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Does anyone make AR lowers that accept AK mags beside MGI? RRA ETA- looks like the RRA LAR47 may use a proprietary upper IF you want to use AK magazines in the lower you'll need to modify the upper or use one of the uppers from an AK mag lower. IIRC Knights Armament also offered a 7.62x39 AR. There should be a 7.62x39 FAQ in the AR Variants forum. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:28:20 PM EDT
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I would pick up a cheap factory Colt for the novelty if I ran across one, but that's about it.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:30:38 PM EDT
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C products makes new mags
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:36:59 PM EDT
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I bought a pre-ban Colt a few years ago. For me, the appeal was the low price AND because it was a bit "different" from the crowd. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SD70MAC/Guns/ColtSporter-1.jpg the NM state pen had a bunch they sold off probably 10 years ago threw a local gun shop. I damn near bought one, but I was worried about feeding issues and new magazines so I didn't. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:40:48 PM EDT
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I bought a pre-ban Colt a few years ago. For me, the appeal was the low price AND because it was a bit "different" from the crowd. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SD70MAC/Guns/ColtSporter-1.jpg I had one and it was junk. Trash can junk. Maybe mags have improved but I'm not willing to go down that road again. I'll stick to .308 ARs or an AK for .30 |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:42:27 PM EDT
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Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? For most people, probably not. I have a lot of 7.62x39mm ammo and I like to tinker with ARs. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:07:35 PM EDT
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I have an Olympic 762x39 carbine. I picked it up during the last panic. I like it and it has been reliable with ASC 30 round mags and the 10 round mags. I could always get ammo during the panic.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:11:29 PM EDT
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I have an Olympic 762x39 carbine. I had one of their uppers 15 years ago. Once the FSB issue was sorted out it ran like a top, it would even work with the plastic core ammo. I should never have sold that upper. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:35:30 PM EDT
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What is the appeal? I understood the benefits of 5.45 because of how cheap 7n6 was, but steel case .223 and steel case 7.62x39 are within 2 CPR of each other. Apparently there are magazine reliability issues (of course this could be resolved by using a LAR-47 or MGI lower), from my understanding reloading for 7.62x39 is more difficult than reloading for 5.56, and even with the longer sight radius provided by an AR15 with irons as opposed to an AK the round itself is not as accurate as 5.56. The only potential positive I see to having an AR in 7.62x39 is having a familiar platform with high parts interchangeability available to shoot 7.62x39 in a SHTFantasy situation (which is still unrealistic since the Russians and Chinese have adopted newer calibers in their main battle rifles). Are there any realistic advantages in owning a 7.62x39 AR? The round is accurate, the platform sucks. Shoot steel cased 7.62x39 out of a bolt action CZ 527. I got sub MOA. |
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