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No green paint. "ADI" and "12" headstamps. It's F1.
I'm not too bent out of shape about it. I would have ordered if it was listed as F1 anyway. It's still quality, brass-cased, reloadable 5.56 at 28 cents a round. I was just curious as to if anyone actually got the newer load. I haven't been able to search too much on the MV difference. Most places put both loads below M855. One source says F1 is higher than 855. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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[#3]
I didnt even open it and look, i was in a hurry to get to work. i will report what I received when I get home... seeing as it's Halloween it could be tomorrow before I get there ;)
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[#4]
Here is a link that details the difference....
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[#5]
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Here is a link that details the difference.... http://rogueadventurer.com/2012/11/16/australian-f1a1-ball-ammunition/ View Quote Thanks, will compare to what arrives today |
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[#6]
I'm guessing that some will get F1 and some will get F1A1. The photos of F1A1 that bulkammo has posted were taken by someone...
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[#9]
Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed...
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... View Quote Some people are never pleased. |
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... Some people are never pleased. It's not like they advertised ADI 5.56 and shipped Wolf .223 or some shit. They sold "Australian FMJ 62gr 5.56"(at half the price of anyone else). That's what I got. I can't complain, but I can see how others might feel otherwise. I now notice other vendors have pics of F1A1 but state "F1" in the description. Everyone must have received mixed lots. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... Some people are never pleased. Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased and you just say, oh well, no problem. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few bucks since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. |
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[#14]
How many people who ordered actually knew what F1 and F1a1 were and the difference between them ....
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Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... Some people are never pleased. Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? 900 Rounds of 5.56x45 M855 Ammo by ADI - Includes Ammo Can - 62gr FMJ Ammo Overview Quantity - 18 plastic sleeves per ammo can, 50 rounds per sleeve Manufacturer - Australian Defense Industries (ADI) Bullets - 62 grain full metal jacket (FMJ) M855 steel core Casings - Boxer-primed brass |
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You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... Some people are never pleased. Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? 900 Rounds of 5.56x45 M855 Ammo by ADI - Includes Ammo Can - 62gr FMJ Ammo Overview Quantity - 18 plastic sleeves per ammo can, 50 rounds per sleeve Manufacturer - Australian Defense Industries (ADI) Bullets - 62 grain full metal jacket (FMJ) M855 steel core Casings - Boxer-primed brass I would be willing to bet that 90% of the ones who are going to cry its not F1A1, wouldn't know what that is or the differences without looking it up |
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[#18]
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I would be willing to bet that 90% of the ones who are going to cry its not F1A1, wouldn't know what that is or the differences without looking it up View Quote +1 I sure didnt know the difference between the two until today. Dont care either way what i get,its a great deal and im happy to have gotten in on it regardless of what they send me. |
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You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even though I haven't received mine yet I emailed them to let them know what folks were getting. I asked if the whole lot was F1 instead of what was advertised and she offered to send me a shipping tag to return it or keep it and get a $10 credit on my next purchase, no thanks you can have it back and pay the shipping both ways. Not impressed... Some people are never pleased. Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? 900 Rounds of 5.56x45 M855 Ammo by ADI - Includes Ammo Can - 62gr FMJ Ammo Overview Quantity - 18 plastic sleeves per ammo can, 50 rounds per sleeve Manufacturer - Australian Defense Industries (ADI) Bullets - 62 grain full metal jacket (FMJ) M855 steel core Casings - Boxer-primed brass Not sure where I've stated I'm happy that it's going to cost them, your reading comprehension appears to be about the same as your standards for what's expected to arrive after a purchase, crap mainly. If you can't understand why what's being delivered is different than what was advertised based on the description, which despite your efforts isn't confined to simply text, then carry on, it's your dime if you've bought some! |
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Not sure where I've stated I'm happy that it's going to cost them, your reading comprehension appears to be about the same as your standards for what's expected to arrive after a purchase, crap mainly. If you can't understand why what's being delivered is different than what was advertised based on the description, which despite your efforts isn't confined to simply text, then carry on, it's your dime if you've bought some! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? 900 Rounds of 5.56x45 M855 Ammo by ADI - Includes Ammo Can - 62gr FMJ Ammo Overview Quantity - 18 plastic sleeves per ammo can, 50 rounds per sleeve Manufacturer - Australian Defense Industries (ADI) Bullets - 62 grain full metal jacket (FMJ) M855 steel core Casings - Boxer-primed brass Not sure where I've stated I'm happy that it's going to cost them, your reading comprehension appears to be about the same as your standards for what's expected to arrive after a purchase, crap mainly. If you can't understand why what's being delivered is different than what was advertised based on the description, which despite your efforts isn't confined to simply text, then carry on, it's your dime if you've bought some! You're right. My reading comprehension is so poor that I cannot discern if you are calling my reading comprehension crap or the ammo people are receiving crap. Either way, I share these deals for the benefit of a community that I am proud to be a part of, and at this point I have wasted enough time on one little freeloading special butterfly butthurt member of the digital FSA for one day. |
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I already thanked you for posting the deal, which still stands, however you don't have to take personal responsibility for the deal not being quite what it was advertised to be. But the notion that something clearly different (albeit maybe insignificant to some) showing up not being a notable issue is non-sense. I also gave the company props for taking care of the issue without excuses, and like I stated unfortunately this ones probably going to cost them a few bucks.
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[#24]
Also have no clue whatsoever where you're coming up with freeloading or FSA, might want to put that coffee down...
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You're right. My reading comprehension is so poor that I cannot discern if you are calling my reading comprehension crap or the ammo people are receiving crap. Either way, I share these deals for the benefit of a community that I am proud to be a part of, and at this point I have wasted enough time on one little freeloading special butterfly butthurt member of the digital FSA for one day. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pretty simple concept, wasn't what they advertised, so absolutely it's going back, on their dime. There are businesses across the globe who dream of customers like you when what arrives isn't what was purchased. The company does get points for taking care of the return shipping and will refund my full purchase price including the original shipping, my guess is this one is gonna cost them a few buck since they used stock photos instead of one of the actual product. You seem so happy that this is going to cost them money. Is F1A1 so fundamentally better than F1? I'm seriously not understanding the butthurt. The description did not claim it was F1A1, even if the picture showed it. In what way did the product you received differ from their description? 900 Rounds of 5.56x45 M855 Ammo by ADI - Includes Ammo Can - 62gr FMJ Ammo Overview Quantity - 18 plastic sleeves per ammo can, 50 rounds per sleeve Manufacturer - Australian Defense Industries (ADI) Bullets - 62 grain full metal jacket (FMJ) M855 steel core Casings - Boxer-primed brass Not sure where I've stated I'm happy that it's going to cost them, your reading comprehension appears to be about the same as your standards for what's expected to arrive after a purchase, crap mainly. If you can't understand why what's being delivered is different than what was advertised based on the description, which despite your efforts isn't confined to simply text, then carry on, it's your dime if you've bought some! You're right. My reading comprehension is so poor that I cannot discern if you are calling my reading comprehension crap or the ammo people are receiving crap. Either way, I share these deals for the benefit of a community that I am proud to be a part of, and at this point I have wasted enough time on one little freeloading special butterfly butthurt member of the digital FSA for one day. I agree. The paper targets I'll be punching won't know the difference. Thanks for the link. |
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One of the problems with M855 types is that the ~ 100 fps lower velocity gives it a shorter fragmentation range than M193 as it is. SS109 generally has even lower velocity than M855, making matters worse.
I can deal with the lower velocity of true M855, but cutting it even further as a lot of foreign SS109 types do (like F1) is not acceptable to me. I could just buy steel case or PMC bronze for general plinking ammo at a cheaper price. I want full power / performance 5.56 when I pay 5.56 prices. I passed up $0.30 / round shipped XM193 a month ago (which I prefer to M855 anyway), but decided to give this a go. I guess I'll wait till the black Friday specials to buy ammo now. I give them credit for resolving the problem without issue, however, their second option wasn't the best way to go. $10 off to spend on a future purchase? How about a $20 - $30 credit on this order right now to save them the time, cost, and hassle of having to ship it back? That's probably their profit margin anyway, and it seems like it would be a better solution, it's going to cost them at least that much to ship back, and then they have to worry about reselling it, etc. |
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[#28]
Bulk ammo's pictures now show it as F1, but still show green tipped ammo. Someone just edited out "A1" with Photoshop!
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One of the problems with M855 types is that the ~ 100 fps lower velocity gives it a shorter fragmentation range than M193 as it is. SS109 generally has even lower velocity than M855, making matters worse. I can deal with the lower velocity of true M855, but cutting it even further as a lot of foreign SS109 types do (like F1) is not acceptable to me. I could just buy steel case or PMC bronze for general plinking ammo at a cheaper price. I want full power / performance 5.56 when I pay 5.56 prices. I passed up $0.30 / round shipped XM193 a month ago (which I prefer to M855 anyway), but decided to give this a go. I guess I'll wait till the black Friday specials to buy ammo now. I give them credit for resolving the problem without issue, however, their second option wasn't the best way to go. $10 off to spend on a future purchase? How about a $20 - $30 credit on this order right now to save them the time, cost, and hassle of having to ship it back? That's probably their profit margin anyway, and it seems like it would be a better solution, it's going to cost them at least that much to ship back, and then they have to worry about reselling it, etc. View Quote Not sure I'd keep it (for some of the same reasons you mentioned above) even if they did offer something better but found their offer odd as well. They'll be refunding almost $30 for my shipping and then paying to ship it back, that'll cost them $50 to $60. |
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Not sure I'd keep it (for some of the same reasons you mentioned above) even if they did offer something better but found their offer odd as well. They'll be refunding almost $30 for my shipping and then paying to ship it back, that'll cost them $50 to $60. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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One of the problems with M855 types is that the ~ 100 fps lower velocity gives it a shorter fragmentation range than M193 as it is. SS109 generally has even lower velocity than M855, making matters worse. I can deal with the lower velocity of true M855, but cutting it even further as a lot of foreign SS109 types do (like F1) is not acceptable to me. I could just buy steel case or PMC bronze for general plinking ammo at a cheaper price. I want full power / performance 5.56 when I pay 5.56 prices. I passed up $0.30 / round shipped XM193 a month ago (which I prefer to M855 anyway), but decided to give this a go. I guess I'll wait till the black Friday specials to buy ammo now. I give them credit for resolving the problem without issue, however, their second option wasn't the best way to go. $10 off to spend on a future purchase? How about a $20 - $30 credit on this order right now to save them the time, cost, and hassle of having to ship it back? That's probably their profit margin anyway, and it seems like it would be a better solution, it's going to cost them at least that much to ship back, and then they have to worry about reselling it, etc. Not sure I'd keep it (for some of the same reasons you mentioned above) even if they did offer something better but found their offer odd as well. They'll be refunding almost $30 for my shipping and then paying to ship it back, that'll cost them $50 to $60. And then have to worry about moving it again. They might as well offered a $40 or $50 credit then just to keep them as "satisfied customers" and not have to worry about the hassle of shipping it back and reselling it. |
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[#32]
Can anyone verify the MV of this stuff? The only number I find repeated is 2969 out of a 20" and one source of 2935 out of a 16". Approximately 60FPS slower than M855. That's not too bad.
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Bulk ammo's pictures now show it as F1, but still show green tipped ammo. Someone just edited out "A1" with Photoshop! And added $60 to the price... Have to make up for the shipping costs of returns. Quoted:
Also, how accurate is it? Anyone who speaks of its accuracy says it is accurate ammo. There's really not a lot out there on it. More on accuracy than velocity, though. I might be able to get out to the range Sunday. I don't have a chrono, but I can shoot for accuracy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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[#35]
Hrm. Maybe I can swoop in on the super sale after all the neckbeards return it because it isn't "F1A1".
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[#36]
That was a great blowjob, except that one stroke where I felt a tooth
Any way you can travel through time and just not blow me at all? Thanks |
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[#38]
I'm happy with whatever I get. F1 and F1A1 are both way better than lake city from everything I've read, and it was cheaper too. It's obvious they were using stock pictures on their website and didn't double check what they were actually selling. Nowhere in the description does it say F1 or F1A1 so I don't know why anyone is complaining about false advertising. If you've ever ordered from Cabelas you know the picture almost never matches what you get when it comes to ammo.
Take a look at this review: http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/29135/62-grains-of-excellence/ 0.67 moa average with the F1 |
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[#39]
Mine arrived. F1 ball.
I am keeping it. If you want serious 100% reliable hot loaded self defense ammo, you shouldn't be looking at military surplus anyway. |
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[#40]
Read this guys, its got lots of info on F1
Compare the two and decide. F1 http://www.australian-munitions.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ARM_AM_5.56-F1-A6-brochure.pdf F1A1 http://www.australian-munitions.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ARM_AM_5.56-F1A1-A6-brochure.pdf |
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I got one of each, but I'm ok with it. Ultimately, I bought it under the understanding of what is basically clean xm855 at less than x193 or .223 plinking ammo prices... and that's what I got. Plus the F1 stuff comes in an older, kinda cool looking can.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't actually prefer the older can. Totally understand those complaining but $10 off seems pretty ok to me - the shit was stupid cheap to start with. |
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[#42]
Are you sayng that you got a batch of F1A1 from your recent order?
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I'm happy with whatever I get. F1 and F1A1 are both way better than lake city from everything I've read, and it was cheaper too. It's obvious they were using stock pictures on their website and didn't double check what they were actually selling. Nowhere in the description does it say F1 or F1A1 so I don't know why anyone is complaining about false advertising. If you've ever ordered from Cabelas you know the picture almost never matches what you get when it comes to ammo. Take a look at this review: http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/29135/62-grains-of-excellence/ 0.67 moa average with the F1 View Quote Impressive.. who wants to send me 30 rounds to verify? |
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Anyone not happy with receiving F1, I'll give you purchase price plus $15 and shipping. IM me.
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Read this guys, its got lots of info on F1 Compare the two and decide. F1 http://www.australian-munitions.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ARM_AM_5.56-F1-A6-brochure.pdf F1A1 http://www.australian-munitions.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ARM_AM_5.56-F1A1-A6-brochure.pdf View Quote Interesting that they have the same specs for both loads. The only difference is they added the M16 and M4 as weapons the F1A1 was designed to function reliably with. Yet the minimum chamber pressure and muzzle energy are the same. Just an FYI(if my math is right): 405MPa = ~58,000 PSI minimum chamber pressure. A bit higher than .223 levels. So theoretically, if you're weapon cycles .223 it should cycle F1 without issue. 1500 j = ~1106 ft-lbs min muzzle energy; which would translate to 2830fps with a 62gr projectile. However, it doesn't specify range or barrel length for that minimum. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: I got one of each, but I'm ok with it. Ultimately, I bought it under the understanding of what is basically clean xm855 at less than x193 or .223 plinking ammo prices... and that's what I got. Plus the F1 stuff comes in an older, kinda cool looking can. I'd be lying if I said I didn't actually prefer the older can. Totally understand those complaining but $10 off seems pretty ok to me - the shit was stupid cheap to start with. View Quote mine was a can of F1. youre saying that you got a can of F1 and of F1A1? |
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[#47]
Anybody send theirs back? F1 ball is ammo that used to go for stupid amounts of money not too long ago. Just Google around and check out the prices.
www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=a556adi Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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[#48]
Im keeping mine, wish i had bought 2 cans instead of just 1.
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