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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:40:22 AM EDT
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:41:22 AM EDT
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:41:39 AM EDT
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<--- Air Force Fire Protection Journeyman, and NOT an EMT. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:48:17 AM EDT
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:06:36 AM EDT
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The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. x2 for places where they want everyone to be emt-p (even so they have contracted ALS transport) and most FF/EMT-Ps rarely get a chance to even practice their skills due to the ambulance company getting on scene at the same time (or before) fire and taking over from there. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:12:53 AM EDT
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The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:13:00 AM EDT
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Tucson Fire is all EMT, many are Paramedics and can transport depending on the situation. Other depts. around here can also. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:17:56 AM EDT
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x2 for places where they want everyone to be emt-p (even so they have contracted ALS transport) and most FF/EMT-Ps rarely get a chance to even practice their skills due to the ambulance company getting on scene at the same time (or before) fire and taking over from there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. x2 for places where they want everyone to be emt-p (even so they have contracted ALS transport) and most FF/EMT-Ps rarely get a chance to even practice their skills due to the ambulance company getting on scene at the same time (or before) fire and taking over from there. They are looking to dump privates here in a big way and go straight up fire transport instead of the 50/50 they do right now. It is causing much butthurt with AMR. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:18:13 AM EDT
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Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. Then call for some assistance. As a tax payer I'm very tired of watching a 4 man truck crew leave the station with lights on for a medical which has about an 80% change of not needing anything but a ride to the ER. Around here it's about $1000 per truck response. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:19:26 AM EDT
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I think all firefighters (besides maybe woodland) and cops should at least have be an EMT Basic.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:20:36 AM EDT
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In SECT most of our buses are run by FF/EMT FD staff, both paid and volunteer depending on the town. If we need medics we get intercept medics from the local hospitals.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:21:14 AM EDT
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They are looking to dump privates here in a big way and go straight up fire transport instead of the 50/50 they do right now. It is causing much butthurt with AMR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. x2 for places where they want everyone to be emt-p (even so they have contracted ALS transport) and most FF/EMT-Ps rarely get a chance to even practice their skills due to the ambulance company getting on scene at the same time (or before) fire and taking over from there. They are looking to dump privates here in a big way and go straight up fire transport instead of the 50/50 they do right now. It is causing much butthurt with AMR. Considering the pay and benefit differences between public and private please explain how that could possibly be cheaper for the patient or the tax payers. They tried the same thing in Salem and it cost double. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:23:50 AM EDT
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Because smoke-eaters best eaters. Don't be jelly.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:31:49 AM EDT
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Then call for some assistance. As a tax payer I'm very tired of watching a 4 man truck crew leave the station with lights on for a medical which has about an 80% change of not needing anything but a ride to the ER. Around here it's about $1000 per truck response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. Then call for some assistance. As a tax payer I'm very tired of watching a 4 man truck crew leave the station with lights on for a medical which has about an 80% change of not needing anything but a ride to the ER. Around here it's about $1000 per truck response. As someone who, with no offense intended, doesn't understand the process, you opinion is moot. Engines are not rolled out for every call. There are 4 levels of call, at least in every system I've worked in. Alpha to Delta. Alphas and Bravos you'll get a rescue to show. These calls are the bullshit calls we get, stubbed a toe, legal holds, etc. Charlies and Deltas especially will warrant a engine and rescue because these are the calls where we know extra hands will be needed. It could be anything from an extrication to a full blown code. The dispatch grade the calls when they receive them and will allocate resources accordingly. People are not always honest when calling either. Grandma and grandpa may mean well but are forgetful or stubborn. I would rather have the extra hands and not need them, then need them and not have them. People are only charged for what they use. You take an ambulance ride, you pay for the ambulance ride. Having the engine show up doesn't change a thing for billing or for the guys on it as they are getting paid either way. Would you rather have them there, god forbid you or your family needs them? Or would you rather have them collect a check sitting on their asses watching the game? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:37:52 AM EDT
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Considering the pay and benefit differences between public and private please explain how that could possibly be cheaper for the patient or the tax payers. They tried the same thing in Salem and it cost double. The fire guys are going to be there either way, so now they are just mandating they transport instead of pass them along to the private rigs, on top of that AMR has been less than compliant with their contract obligations over the last few years. Lots of shady dealings and competition buy outs. Ridding themselves of the contract as is and sub letting overflow calls to other smaller companies is more cost effective for the county. Stripping this contract is also allowing the county to have a tighter leash on the privates who do run the overflow calls. If they aren't meeting obligations they are fined, if the fines arent working they are dumped for someone else, "contracts" be damned. It's increasing continuity of care by a lot and the cost is a wash. Edit in red. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:41:13 AM EDT
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Because not all of us are stuck in a city responding to medial calls.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:44:56 AM EDT
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The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. The fire engine is there so they actually have a call load to justify their existence. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:45:03 AM EDT
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Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. Because I'm not lifting that fat fuck stuck inbetween the tub and toilet by myself with whatever 120lb female EMT they decide to saddle me with when I pick up extra shifts on my days off. Where the fuck are you finding 120lb female EMTs? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:47:49 AM EDT
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Because not all of us are stuck in a city responding to medial calls.
http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac180/AssSupt/Fire/a2f3becc29dcb3d2b6ae8dc98f3da525.jpg Boom headshot |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:48:10 AM EDT
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Two different jobs
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:50:53 AM EDT
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Because I like breaking windows and cutting holes in roofs.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:58:50 AM EDT
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Firefighter without EMT is a dying entity in many paid departments, and eventually FF/EMT will be too. With the improvement in building codes and fire suppression systems, the number of house and building fires are on a decline, which equates to less funding. Taking over EMS is a great way to supplement a budget.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:01:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two different jobs Around here, wrong.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:06:03 AM EDT
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We transport. The systems where the FD may or may not transport confuse me.
Around here, if you want to be a FF, you better be willing to get your P card. Also, fighting fire is a lot more complicated than 'destroy shit dumping water breaking windows'
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:15:03 AM EDT
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Because some people, like me, are really good at putting out fires but not so good at blood and guts. If I liked blood and guts I would have become a doctor and made a lot more money. As it is I'm in charge of all medical and fire emergencies aboard my vessel.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:20:21 AM EDT
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Firefighter without EMT is a dying entity in many paid departments, and eventually FF/EMT will be too. With the improvement in building codes and fire suppression systems, the number of house and building fires are on a decline, which equates to less funding. Taking over EMS is a great way to supplement a budget. IN populated areas, yes. But in places like Kansas, where most towns are covered by volunteer FD's and county EMS services, that will never happen. All the paid departments in my area, which is a whopping TWO, require EMT jto even get considered for fire. THen you have to get your P within three years or lose your job, and the FD doesn't pay for it. THe County EMS will pretty much not even look at you unless your are an AEMT or Paramedic. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:25:13 AM EDT
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Where I live the nearest fire house is 11 miles away and has a two man crew. The next 25 miles away and has 4 men. Far as I know they're all dual qualified and severely under manned . Doesn't make me sleep well.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:32:09 AM EDT
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IN populated areas, yes. But in places like Kansas, where most towns are covered by volunteer FD's and county EMS services, that will never happen. All the paid departments in my area, which is a whopping TWO, require EMT jto even get considered for fire. THen you have to get your P within three years or lose your job, and the FD doesn't pay for it. THe County EMS will pretty much not even look at you unless your are an AEMT or Paramedic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Firefighter without EMT is a dying entity in many paid departments, and eventually FF/EMT will be too. With the improvement in building codes and fire suppression systems, the number of house and building fires are on a decline, which equates to less funding. Taking over EMS is a great way to supplement a budget. IN populated areas, yes. But in places like Kansas, where most towns are covered by volunteer FD's and county EMS services, that will never happen. All the paid departments in my area, which is a whopping TWO, require EMT jto even get considered for fire. THen you have to get your P within three years or lose your job, and the FD doesn't pay for it. THe County EMS will pretty much not even look at you unless your are an AEMT or Paramedic. Fuck Volunteers. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:37:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fire engine is there so they actually have a call load to justify their existence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aww. Let me guess, you went to medic school being told it would get you a fire job guaranteed and now that you have it and tested you couldn't get past the video. It's alright scro, AMR is always hiring. you hit the nail on the head The real question is why are there FF/EMT P's in systems where the FD does not transport. Lots of money flushed down the tube in redundancies, not to mention the loss of proficiency when not dealing with patients start to finish. Then the other question most often asked by the patients and patients families "Why is the fire engine here". Usually couldn't come up with a good answer for that one. The fire engine is there so they actually have a call load to justify their existence. That is exactly why FDNY took over NYC-EMS....To justify their enormous budget in the face of a declining fire load and impending firehouse closures.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:48:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Volunteers. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:54:01 AM EDT
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I mean all they do is destroy shit dumping water breaking windows what a waste. The angus has been peppered. Yeah, that's all we do....walking around all day, wasting water and breaking shit. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:56:55 AM EDT
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Where the fuck are you finding 120lb female EMTs? That's it, post of the day!!!
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:23:34 AM EDT
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Fuck Volunteers.
I'm a volunteer.... But, whatever |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:24:12 AM EDT
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One of the side effects of high unemployment has been an abundance of people becomming volunteer FFs and EMTs. In my area Most fire chiefs wont hire a new firefighter without an EMT cert now, and that's becomming more prevalent with police too. Personally I think it's great.
Being a medic is a very noble thing, I've seen them do some amazing things on the side of the road. Unfortunately a good portion of the work involves hoisting fat people out from underneath furniture and frequent flier junkies with needles still hanging out of their arms. And poo. There's always poo. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:27:54 AM EDT
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All firefighters here are EMT-B at a minimum. Hell, even dispatchers are EMT-B.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:28:19 AM EDT
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I mean all they do is destroy shit dumping water breaking windows what a waste. The angus has been peppered. Some body didn't pass firefighter 1.  By the way I am a firefighter and I don't ride on the band aid box.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:29:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where the fuck are you finding 120lb female EMTs? The ME here likes sending cute little females to try to wrangle dead bodies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:34:01 AM EDT
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Firefighter without EMT is a dying entity in many paid departments, and eventually FF/EMT will be too. With the improvement in building codes and fire suppression systems, the number of house and building fires are on a decline, which equates to less funding. Taking over EMS is a great way to supplement a budget. IN populated areas, yes. But in places like Kansas, where most towns are covered by volunteer FD's and county EMS services, that will never happen. All the paid departments in my area, which is a whopping TWO, require EMT jto even get considered for fire. THen you have to get your P within three years or lose your job, and the FD doesn't pay for it. THe County EMS will pretty much not even look at you unless your are an AEMT or Paramedic. Fuck Volunteers. Many fucks to you to my friend. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:35:06 AM EDT
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My department only sends the Engine on medical calls that are severe like a choking, CPR in progress or similar. We never get an Engine for chest pain, allergic reaction, seizure or other less severe calls. I work for a department that is run on a shoe string and a prayer and we do not have enough man power to run the Engine unless it is truly needed. As far as spraying water and breaking stuff, okay I guess we can forget about haz-mat, high angle rescue, confined space and the myriad other things that are the responsibility of the fire department. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:36:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Volunteers. You post a lot of stupid shit.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:37:39 AM EDT
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I was always grateful when the big red truck (actually yellow where I worked) showed up when we got toned out.
Just getting a 400lb whale strapped into the stair chair could be sporty, never mind getting them down from the third floor
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:40:19 AM EDT
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I mean all they do is destroy shit dumping water breaking windows what a waste. The angus has been peppered. Pay for me to go to medic school. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:41:47 AM EDT
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Fuck Volunteers. Said like a true union hack. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:42:46 AM EDT
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Firefighter without EMT is a dying entity in many paid departments, and eventually FF/EMT will be too. With the improvement in building codes and fire suppression systems, the number of house and building fires are on a decline, which equates to less funding. Taking over EMS is a great way to supplement a budget. IN populated areas, yes. But in places like Kansas, where most towns are covered by volunteer FD's and county EMS services, that will never happen. All the paid departments in my area, which is a whopping TWO, require EMT jto even get considered for fire. THen you have to get your P within three years or lose your job, and the FD doesn't pay for it. THe County EMS will pretty much not even look at you unless your are an AEMT or Paramedic. Fuck Volunteers. Why would you say that
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:42:53 AM EDT
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Fuck Volunteers. You post a lot of stupid shit. If you've experienced what I have over the past 2 decades you'd understand. Drunks showing up on medical calls, guys running into fires without gear because they forgot it at the firehouse, a fire chief that refused to land a helicopter at an accident scene because he wasn't consulted first on whether the patient needed one, guys causing accidents because they felt that their blue light allowed them to run a couple off the road. I saw a crew start CPR on someone talking to them. My list goes on forever. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:46:43 AM EDT
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Fuck Volunteers. You post a lot of stupid shit. Paid guys are usually ok. The union hacks often call volunteers scabs, and all kinds of other shit. The only reason my area got past it was by letting paid guys get extra retirement credit for joining an area vfd. Eventually that lead to the city dept training us, and we're now a combo dept, trained to the same level as them. They make 60kish a year, we make minimum wage. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:47:44 AM EDT
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If you've experienced what I have over the past 2 decades you'd understand. Drunks showing up on medical calls, guys running into fires without gear because they forgot it at the firehouse, a fire chief that refused to land a helicopter at an accident scene because he wasn't consulted first on whether the patient needed one, guys causing accidents because they felt that their blue light allowed them to run a couple off the road. A saw a crew start CPR on someone talking to them. My list goes on forever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Volunteers. You post a lot of stupid shit. If you've experienced what I have over the past 2 decades you'd understand. Drunks showing up on medical calls, guys running into fires without gear because they forgot it at the firehouse, a fire chief that refused to land a helicopter at an accident scene because he wasn't consulted first on whether the patient needed one, guys causing accidents because they felt that their blue light allowed them to run a couple off the road. A saw a crew start CPR on someone talking to them. My list goes on forever. Yet you've chosen to do nothing? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:50:54 AM EDT
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Wilderness fire stations need more firefighter & less paramedic.
I know of one county that had Deputy Sheriff paramedics. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:51:04 AM EDT
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Fuck Volunteers. Said like a true union hack. I'm not union, I'm a man that watched the volunteers chase a paid ambulance service out of town so they could have all the interfacility transports for themselves, but then couldn't produce a crew over 50% of the time for patients that needed critical care from larger hospitals. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:55:25 AM EDT
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Because of my localities requirement for pretty much all ff to also be emt is the reason Im not a ff. I just want to break shit and put out a fire not have to respond at 3am because some fat lady has some knee pains.
Instead I think I'll be a good cop that doesn't trample your rights.
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