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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:06:07 AM EDT
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Not a fan of this idea.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:10:21 AM EDT
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OK. What are your objections?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:10:35 AM EDT
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I don't think an Internet petition is going to fix Washington. I prefer option #5.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:10:35 AM EDT
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:11:25 AM EDT
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Not a fan of this idea. Me neither. I don't trust the Democrat controlled states. To live up to their word. They would like nothing more to limit the power of the citizens. They rule over. Ever met a Democrat, that wants to limit government? 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:22:35 AM EDT
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Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:23:27 AM EDT
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Not a fan of this idea. The opportunity for fucked up shenanigans. As said above, no way would I trust dem, progressive representatives to abide by any agreed upon rules. "A well armed military and police, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the military and police to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How's that sound? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:29:11 AM EDT
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If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress."
Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Me neither. I don't trust the Democrat controlled states. To live up to their word. They would like nothing more to limit the power of the citizens. They rule over. Ever met a Democrat, that wants to limit government? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a fan of this idea. Me neither. I don't trust the Democrat controlled states. To live up to their word. They would like nothing more to limit the power of the citizens. They rule over. Ever met a Democrat, that wants to limit government? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:39:20 AM EDT
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The opportunity for fucked up shenanigans. As said above, no way would I trust dem, progressive representatives to abide by any agreed upon rules. "A well armed military and police, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the military and police to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How's that sound? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a fan of this idea. The opportunity for fucked up shenanigans. As said above, no way would I trust dem, progressive representatives to abide by any agreed upon rules. "A well armed military and police, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the military and police to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How's that sound? Can't happen because it doesn't comply with the purpose of the application AND any proposed amendments coming out of the convention must be ratified by 38 states. It would only take 13 states to block something like that. And remember, We the People own this country. Elected representatives are our servants, not vice versa. We have the power - and we simply need to exercise it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:47:39 AM EDT
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I don't really see a downside. This will either speed up the war or maybe, just maybe get us on the road to a better future...
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:51:50 AM EDT
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If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress." Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Last time that happened, we ended with a completely different constitution. Odds are a con-con ends the USA. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:52:03 AM EDT
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I don't really see a downside. This will either speed up the war or maybe, just maybe get us on the road to a better future... "The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. ... I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace" Thomas Paine.. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:57:09 AM EDT
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Last time that happened, we ended with a completely different constitution. Odds are a con-con ends the USA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress." Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Last time that happened, we ended with a completely different constitution. Odds are a con-con ends the USA. With all due respect, it is not a constitutional convention. It's a Convention of States and it hasn't been done before. Article V provides a means of amending, not replacing or rewriting, our constitution. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:00:44 AM EDT
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I don't think an Internet petition is going to fix Washington. I prefer option #5. It's actually much more than "an Internet petition". Here's a recent article about it: Momentum Building For a Convention of States |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:04:51 AM EDT
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Can't happen because it doesn't comply with the purpose of the application AND any proposed amendments coming out of the convention must be ratified by 38 states. It would only take 13 states to block something like that. And remember, We the People own this country. Elected representatives are our servants, not vice versa. We have the power - and we simply need to exercise it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a fan of this idea. The opportunity for fucked up shenanigans. As said above, no way would I trust dem, progressive representatives to abide by any agreed upon rules. "A well armed military and police, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the military and police to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How's that sound? Can't happen because it doesn't comply with the purpose of the application AND any proposed amendments coming out of the convention must be ratified by 38 states. It would only take 13 states to block something like that. And remember, We the People own this country. Elected representatives are our servants, not vice versa. We have the power - and we simply need to exercise it. We have the power alright. To bad we will never use it until it is way to late. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:05:01 AM EDT
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious. Not clicking until this question is answered 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:08:12 AM EDT
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Not clicking until this question is answered
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious. Not clicking until this question is answered
Answered previously, here it is again: Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found. Good night and all the best. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:09:08 AM EDT
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With all due respect, it is not a constitutional convention. It's a Convention of States and it hasn't been done before. Article V provides a means of amending, not replacing or rewriting, our constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last time that happened, we ended with a completely different constitution. Odds are a con-con ends the USA. With all due respect, it is not a constitutional convention. It's a Convention of States and it hasn't been done before. Article V provides a means of amending, not replacing or rewriting, our constitution. Call it what you will. The convention gets to write their own rules, and nothing can be guaranteed except a big fight come time for ratification. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:16:22 AM EDT
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What was the last amendment proposed? The ERA?
If that couldn't pass how will anything like term limits, anti-free shit army, balanced budget, what hope do those have? The majority of our population is on the govt tit in some form now. They won't EVER vote to curtail their "paycheck". |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:26:52 AM EDT
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Answered previously, here it is again: Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found. Good night and all the best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious. Not clicking until this question is answered
Answered previously, here it is again: Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found. Good night and all the best. Right. But I'm talking more specifically the recruiter ID thats in the link. Do you get a place in the new order? A vacation trip for selling the most cookies? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:33:01 AM EDT
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I always wonder what (if any) unique support I could offer, since I actually live in DC and know some of the politicians.
I thought about picketing or something... But I've got a job to do during the day. Besides, I'd probably just focus on protesting the ATF and I'm mostly sure that no one else in the city (except Emily Miller?) hates those guys. 
I'm honestly pretty skeptical that any of the 4 options in the OP will be any more effective than my one-man picketing campaign against the ATF. I feel like we passed the "point of no return" a long time ago, but are just starting to realize it lately. The system is broken and too many people like it that way to ever allow it to be fixed. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:40:32 AM EDT
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Right. But I'm talking more specifically the recruiter ID thats in the link. Do you get a place in the new order? A vacation trip for selling the most cookies? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious. Not clicking until this question is answered
Answered previously, here it is again: Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found. Good night and all the best. Right. But I'm talking more specifically the recruiter ID thats in the link. Do you get a place in the new order? A vacation trip for selling the most cookies? Thank you Foxy. I want to know what the OP gains for getting people to click on his referral link. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:53:06 AM EDT
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Amend the document that the Federal government already routinely ignores?
Why? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:02:24 AM EDT
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wasnt this in one of the " enemies foreign and domestic" books? they open up the convention for something simple... and it gets hijacked and the bill of rights is raped by corrupt gov/ business, and fsa?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:03:04 AM EDT
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wasnt this in one of the " enemies foreign and domestic" books? they open up the convention for something simple... and it gets hijacked and the bill of rights is raped by corrupt gov/ business, and fsa? Wouldn't matter. The bill of rights doesn't do much these days. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:56:55 AM EDT
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Right. But I'm talking more specifically the recruiter ID thats in the link. Do you get a place in the new order? A vacation trip for selling the most cookies? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a recruiter, what do you get out of this for driving people to that site? Just curious. Not clicking until this question is answered
Answered previously, here it is again: Fair question. America has been incredibly good to me and to our family for over 160 years. And I believe the biggest threat to future generations of Americans (including future generations of our family) is an out of control federal bureaucracy that has gotten too big, too powerful, and too intrusive. I'm going to do my part to help rein it in and restore our republic. And this is the best solution I have found. Good night and all the best. Right. But I'm talking more specifically the recruiter ID thats in the link. Do you get a place in the new order? A vacation trip for selling the most cookies? No prizes, vacations, or other perks. It's simply a way of tracking how many supporters are recruited and measuring the results of one's efforts. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:58:25 AM EDT
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Sure, I can help fix it. But I don't have access to a tactical nuke.
Maybe I can start a GoFundMe? 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:58:45 AM EDT
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How about not NO, not even HELL NO, but FUCK NO.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:58:49 AM EDT
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I don't think an Internet petition is going to fix Washington. I prefer option #5. Order 66 has commenced. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:06:16 AM EDT
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I don't think an Internet petition is going to fix Washington. I prefer option #5. Order 66 has commenced. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:23:54 AM EDT
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I don't think an Internet petition is going to fix Washington. I prefer option #5. Order 66 has commenced. http://i37.tinypic.com/11v09bd.gif John has a long mustache... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:25:16 AM EDT
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Friends, this effort is being led by Mark Meckler, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots and it has attracted the support of people like Col. Allen West, Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch, Sean Hannity, Sen. Mike Lee and Sen. Ted Cruz.
There are no guarantees that a Convention of States will be successful, but it is the best option for reigning in the power of the federal govt. that I'm aware of. If you have a better idea, please let us know. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:33:38 AM EDT
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Friends, this effort is being led by Mark Meckler, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots and it has attracted the support of people like Col. Allen West, Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch, Sean Hannity, Sen. Mike Lee and Sen. Ted Cruz. There are no guarantees that a Convention of States will be successful, but it is the best option for reigning in the power of the federal govt. that I'm aware of. If you have a better idea, please let us know. Uncle buck, let us all take a turn to sit in the chair that is there against the wall and ponder for a moment..... A Convention might be an option, perhaps a good threat to reign in the abuses of power...but as we sit upon the chair......
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:45:31 AM EDT
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So who gets sent to this, our great elected representatives? No thanks. We know whose best interest they have in mind. If they wanted to limit government expansion, they could do it. It looks to me like they want just the opposite.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:49:18 AM EDT
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Friends, this effort is being led by Mark Meckler, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots and it has attracted the support of people like Col. Allen West, Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch, Sean Hannity, Sen. Mike Lee and Sen. Ted Cruz. There are no guarantees that a Convention of States will be successful, but it is the best option for reigning in the power of the federal govt. that I'm aware of. If you have a better idea, please let us know. It's NOT the best option. You and your supporters don't seem to understand how the culture has shifted in this country. The majority of the population now does not want limited government, they have traded liberty for security and like it that way. You can't simply force people to change their views even via a Constitutional amendment, the people would just elect leaders who would ignore it or repeal it anyway. You have to change the culture and refocus the heart of the people. Terrible as it sounds, the only way I see that happening is a major war for survival, or another great depression type event that wipes away all the cushy benefits and social largesse and forces people to become self reliant again. Beyond that we are going the way of Greece. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:50:57 AM EDT
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So who gets sent to this, our great elected representatives? No thanks. We know whose best interest they have in mind. If they wanted to limit government expansion, they could do it. It looks to me like they want just the opposite. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:55:41 AM EDT
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It's NOT the best option. You and your supporters don't seem to understand how the culture has shifted in this country. The majority of the population now does not want limited government, they have traded liberty for security and like it that way. You can't simply force people to change their views even via a Constitutional amendment, the people would just elect leaders who would ignore it or repeal it anyway. You have to change the culture and refocus the heart of the people. Terrible as it sounds, the only way I see that happening is a major war for survival, or another great depression type event that wipes away all the cushy benefits and social largesse and forces people to become self reliant again. Beyond that we are going the way of Greece. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friends, this effort is being led by Mark Meckler, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots and it has attracted the support of people like Col. Allen West, Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch, Sean Hannity, Sen. Mike Lee and Sen. Ted Cruz. There are no guarantees that a Convention of States will be successful, but it is the best option for reigning in the power of the federal govt. that I'm aware of. If you have a better idea, please let us know. It's NOT the best option. You and your supporters don't seem to understand how the culture has shifted in this country. The majority of the population now does not want limited government, they have traded liberty for security and like it that way. You can't simply force people to change their views even via a Constitutional amendment, the people would just elect leaders who would ignore it or repeal it anyway. You have to change the culture and refocus the heart of the people. Terrible as it sounds, the only way I see that happening is a major war for survival, or another great depression type event that wipes away all the cushy benefits and social largesse and forces people to become self reliant again. Beyond that we are going the way of Greece. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:09:31 AM EDT
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I really won't support any change to the Constitution until the 17th is repealed and the vital balance against the popular vote is restored. Until America can understand the Constitution well enough to get that done, it is too fucking stupid to be messing with any part of the Constitution.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:10:36 AM EDT
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There's only one way to fix things, and it's not going to happen, now or 10 years down the road. The deck is being stacked against us, he is building his army, in the United States and abroad. No man can fight what's happening, may as well sit back and enjoy a cigar before the lid comes off. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:13:52 AM EDT
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# 5 - Group buy on several MOABs |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:30:17 AM EDT
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By the way, all of the proposed amendments coming out of the convention will, by definition, have to do with limiting the power of the federal govt.
As we should know from the history of the last time a convention to propose amendments was called on this continent, there is no way to control what the delegates to such a convention do or what they propose. They could propose a completely new governing document and new rules for adoption of that document, just as the delegates did last time. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:03:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress." Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Quote HistoryQuoted: If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress." Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Quoted: Quoted: Not a fan of this idea. Me neither. I don't trust the Democrat controlled states. To live up to their word. They would like nothing more to limit the power of the citizens. They rule over. Ever met a Democrat, that wants to limit government? And the convention that formed the Constitution was originally to correct some issues in the Articles of Confederation. It wasn't called up and chaired to draft an entire new form of government.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:07:17 AM EDT
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You do realize that if there is another Constitutional Convention, it likely will not turn out the way you want it to...
How about Rights to Wireless Internet and Cellular Service? How about Rights to Free Medical Care? How about Rights to College Education? How about Rights to Free Housing and Food? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you don't believe that state legislators would want to take back their power from the federal govt.? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So who gets sent to this, our great elected representatives? No thanks. We know whose best interest they have in mind. If they wanted to limit government expansion, they could do it. It looks to me like they want just the opposite. No, because most of them want to be the Federal Government. Those in State Government either create a power base and stay in State Government doing the same their Federal counterparts do or they eventually run for Federal Office and do the same.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:11:41 AM EDT
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NO. If there's a constitutional convention, say goodbye to the 2nd Amendment.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:06:01 PM EDT
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I really won't support any change to the Constitution until the 17th is repealed and the vital balance against the popular vote is restored. Until America can understand the Constitution well enough to get that done, it is too fucking stupid to be messing with any part of the Constitution. Mark Levin has proposed repeal of the 17th Amendment in his book The Liberty Amendments. And its repeal could certainly be proposed under the currently pending applications for a Convention of States. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:08:09 PM EDT
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Yeah, 2A is dead if this happens. Liberals will go all out for that. They would be more than willing to sacrifice in a few other areas in order to kill 2A.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:09:34 PM EDT
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As we should know from the history of the last time a convention to propose amendments was called on this continent, there is no way to control what the delegates to such a convention do or what they propose. They could propose a completely new governing document and new rules for adoption of that document, just as the delegates did last time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By the way, all of the proposed amendments coming out of the convention will, by definition, have to do with limiting the power of the federal govt.
As we should know from the history of the last time a convention to propose amendments was called on this continent, there is no way to control what the delegates to such a convention do or what they propose. They could propose a completely new governing document and new rules for adoption of that document, just as the delegates did last time. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:10:09 PM EDT
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Bracken had a convention of states in one of the "Enemies" books, IIRC. It doesn't turn out well
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:10:52 PM EDT
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And the convention that formed the Constitution was originally to correct some issues in the Articles of Confederation. It wasn't called up and chaired to draft an entire new form of government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you study this project, you will learn that the subject of the convention will be limited to "proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress." Educate yourself on the process and how it works. Then feel free to ask any questions. Quoted:
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Not a fan of this idea. Me neither. I don't trust the Democrat controlled states. To live up to their word. They would like nothing more to limit the power of the citizens. They rule over. Ever met a Democrat, that wants to limit government? And the convention that formed the Constitution was originally to correct some issues in the Articles of Confederation. It wasn't called up and chaired to draft an entire new form of government. |
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