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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:34:20 AM EDT
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So Liberaltarians are spoiling elections again costing our freedoms.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:34:51 AM EDT
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Blame the voters if they're so easily beguiled or tricked that a candidate other than the Republican can steal them away from where they really belong. In the contest of ideas, it's your own fucking goobers that blow it. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. Fuck all of you line-toters for not getting that. (golf clap) The GOP is always late to the party. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:36:19 AM EDT
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Once again republicans blame their failures on other.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:36:42 AM EDT
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(golf clap) The GOP is always late to the party. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blame the voters if they're so easily beguiled or tricked that a candidate other than the Republican can steal them away from where they really belong. In the contest of ideas, it's your own fucking goobers that blow it. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. Fuck all of you line-toters for not getting that. (golf clap) The GOP is always late to the party. The current polling shows the R's will regain the Senate and retain the House. Now it is close so it could stay with the D's in the Senate but probably not according to the polling right now. So...........it ain't blown yet. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:38:05 AM EDT
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Once again republicans blame their failures on other. Actually, in this case, blaming democrats. I am not saying libertarians actively help democrats. But Begich is. What does he know? So a democrat spends money to advertise for the libertarians and the libertarians blame the GOP. Classic. Colorado gun laws anyone? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:38:12 AM EDT
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So your attitude is that until 50% of america agrees with you, you will support the democratic party. but its not your job to change other peoples mind. You will sit back and wait for them to come to you. and libertarians should only run for national office. state and local elections are for the little people. big thinkers and all. Absolutely no idea where you got this idea. How are we supposed to change their minds? The libertarian party is doing the best they can. Republicans need to think more l, or they will die. Do you really think Millenials will vote for Jeb Bush? Honestly? And if not, what's your end game? There's a libertarian candidate for a lot of my local elections. I don't know what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:39:15 AM EDT
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I love the weekly "libertarians are a fringe group that can't get elected dog catcher but are responsible for the country collapsing when the RNC loses an election" threads. They are full of fresh thinking and can really get a man excited to caucus with the RNC. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:39:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Recently, Begich’s campaign has even run radio commercials touting Fish’s candidacy alongside his own -- meaning that since Fish hasn’t spent any money to advertise his own campaign, Begich has now spent more money promoting Fish than Fish has himself. "He likes my positions so well, I’m looking forward to an endorsement,” Fish said in an interview Tuesday. Begich’s official position is that he wants third-party candidates like Fish to be heard. "Since many of the debate hosts won’t include Mr. Fish, Sen. Begich believes it is only fair to give Alaska voters all the information,” Max Croes, Begich’s communications director, said in an emailed statement. But several observers say Begich’s effort to boost Fish’s profile is actually a shrewd act of electioneering -- one likely designed to drive shaky Sullivan supporters into Fish’s column, and shaky Fish voters to Begich. The number of voters in the pool is small, but in a tight and costly election, the strategy makes sense, one local pollster said. Weasel face crook
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:40:07 AM EDT
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Chess not checkers they'll say! The GOP is playing chess alright, too bad their useful idiots dont even realize they are the pawns. They're simply the GOP's version of the occupy wallstreet tards. Out doing the shilling for thier masters with the mistaken belief that they have the same goals.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:42:19 AM EDT
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Actually, in this case, blaming democrats. I am not saying libertarians actively help democrats. But Begich is. What does he know? So a democrat spends money to advertise for the libertarians and the libertarians blame the GOP. Classic. Colorado gun laws anyone? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Once again republicans blame their failures on other. Actually, in this case, blaming democrats. I am not saying libertarians actively help democrats. But Begich is. What does he know? So a democrat spends money to advertise for the libertarians and the libertarians blame the GOP. Classic. Colorado gun laws anyone? It's always someone else's fault. Couldnt be the canidate or his stance on the issues, it must be a plot. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:42:44 AM EDT
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Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Absolutely no idea where you got this idea. How are we supposed to change their minds? The libertarian party is doing the best they can. Republicans need to think more l, or they will die. Do you really think Millenials will vote for Jeb Bush? Honestly? And if not, what's your end game? There's a libertarian candidate for a lot of my local elections. I don't know what you're talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So your attitude is that until 50% of america agrees with you, you will support the democratic party. but its not your job to change other peoples mind. You will sit back and wait for them to come to you. and libertarians should only run for national office. state and local elections are for the little people. big thinkers and all. Absolutely no idea where you got this idea. How are we supposed to change their minds? The libertarian party is doing the best they can. Republicans need to think more l, or they will die. Do you really think Millenials will vote for Jeb Bush? Honestly? And if not, what's your end game? There's a libertarian candidate for a lot of my local elections. I don't know what you're talking about. Libertarians are doing the best they can, to help democrats. They are doing great. You speak for all millenials? Interesting. You think boomers will vote Ron Paul or Johnston? Millenials are all about smaller government, eh? Is that why Millenials all vote democrat? Really? Is that why they cheered the President when he talked about being on their parents health care plans till the age of 26. You want to change a party? Change it from within. Otherwise you are not only a tool of the democratic party, but you are an ignorant tool to boot. But it appears you would rather the democrats win so you can rail for your social issues. Apparantly social issues are what drive your thinking. Which is fine, as long as you agree. Just like the cheering of federal courts overturning state laws. Nothing says limited government like a federal judicial oligarchy. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:44:24 AM EDT
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No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. Which is why I think they are running Jeb. I don't think they want to win. If they win, they'd have to actually do work. I think they like not being in charge. They can sit around, get paid, get their kickbacks and not have to be responsible for anything. I don' think they want to win. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:44:57 AM EDT
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No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. ROFL Millenials for smaller government? thats hilarious. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:47:04 AM EDT
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Look at the current US senate race in Kansas for the worst form of this nonsense.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:47:24 AM EDT
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Not exactly but the last few elections they've been running strawmen under the Libertarian banner, like Robert Sarvis in the 2013 VA Governors election and now for Senate. He's pro open borders and thinks humans cause climate change.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've thought for a long time that the libertarians are a front group for the democrats Not exactly but the last few elections they've been running strawmen under the Libertarian banner, like Robert Sarvis in the 2013 VA Governors election and now for Senate. He's pro open borders and thinks humans cause climate change. I believe Claire McCaskill's campaign donated money directly to the LP candidate in her race, which helped her win when no one thought she would. The rank and file "libertarians" may not think of themselves as Democrats, but their party sure does overtly help the Dems, at least on occasion. But, as with the outrageous spewing frequently heard from Ron Paul, they choose to overlook it, or explain it away with nonsense. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:48:16 AM EDT
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So do you think he will take more votes from the D or the R? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sarvis is on the VA ticket for Senate, he was also on the VA ticket for Governor. Even his own comments show him to be more of a D than L. So do you think he will take more votes from the D or the R? I think he shouldn't be in the race, The ballot has R, D and L next to the candidate names. those who vote for the party and not the man will always vote for the letter. Most L's I know will vote L because of L even though the R has more values in common. D's will never vote L. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:49:27 AM EDT
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I believe Claire McCaskill's campaign donated money directly to the LP candidate in her race, which helped her win when no one thought she would. The rank and file "libertarians" may not think of themselves as Democrats, but their party sure does overtly help the Dems, at least on occasion. But, as with the outrageous spewing frequently heard from Ron Paul, they choose to overlook it, or explain it away with nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've thought for a long time that the libertarians are a front group for the democrats Not exactly but the last few elections they've been running strawmen under the Libertarian banner, like Robert Sarvis in the 2013 VA Governors election and now for Senate. He's pro open borders and thinks humans cause climate change. I believe Claire McCaskill's campaign donated money directly to the LP candidate in her race, which helped her win when no one thought she would. The rank and file "libertarians" may not think of themselves as Democrats, but their party sure does overtly help the Dems, at least on occasion. But, as with the outrageous spewing frequently heard from Ron Paul, they choose to overlook it, or explain it away with nonsense. Nobody knows more than a 21 year old with a bong and a dream. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:51:48 AM EDT
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Nobody knows more than a 21 year old with a bong and a dream. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've thought for a long time that the libertarians are a front group for the democrats Not exactly but the last few elections they've been running strawmen under the Libertarian banner, like Robert Sarvis in the 2013 VA Governors election and now for Senate. He's pro open borders and thinks humans cause climate change. I believe Claire McCaskill's campaign donated money directly to the LP candidate in her race, which helped her win when no one thought she would. The rank and file "libertarians" may not think of themselves as Democrats, but their party sure does overtly help the Dems, at least on occasion. But, as with the outrageous spewing frequently heard from Ron Paul, they choose to overlook it, or explain it away with nonsense. Nobody knows more than a 21 year old with a bong and a dream. Can I borrow that wide brush ? I gotta paint the house this weekend and a giant brush on that magnitude would make this go so much quicker. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:52:44 AM EDT
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Nobody knows more than a 21 year old with a bong and a dream who never owned property, held a job, or paid taxes, but knows he doesn't want to do so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've thought for a long time that the libertarians are a front group for the democrats Not exactly but the last few elections they've been running strawmen under the Libertarian banner, like Robert Sarvis in the 2013 VA Governors election and now for Senate. He's pro open borders and thinks humans cause climate change. I believe Claire McCaskill's campaign donated money directly to the LP candidate in her race, which helped her win when no one thought she would. The rank and file "libertarians" may not think of themselves as Democrats, but their party sure does overtly help the Dems, at least on occasion. But, as with the outrageous spewing frequently heard from Ron Paul, they choose to overlook it, or explain it away with nonsense. Nobody knows more than a 21 year old with a bong and a dream who never owned property, held a job, or paid taxes, but knows he doesn't want to do so. Indeed--with a slight addition to clarify. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:55:13 AM EDT
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You speak for all millenials? Interesting. You think boomers will vote Ron Paul or Johnston? No, I don't speak for all millenials. However, the survey I posted on page one does. And supports what I said. Also, yes. Boomers will vote for Rand Paul. The fact that you said Ron Paul without realizing that he is not running speaks volumes. Millenials are all about smaller government, eh? Is that why Millenials all vote democrat? Really? Is that why they cheered the President when he talked about being on their parents health care plans till the age of 26. Again, only 35% of Millenials vote Democrat. You are painting with a very wide and tainted brush. Reference the Internet. You want to change a party? Change it from within. Otherwise you are not only a tool of the democratic party, but you are an ignorant tool to boot. That would probably be the reason why I am a registered Republican, and I volunteer to go door-to-door for them. But it appears you would rather the democrats win so you can rail for your social issues. Apparantly social issues are what drive your thinking. Which is fine, as long as you agree. Actually I disagree with Democrats on many social issues like guns, abortion, immigration, gay marriage, Affirmative Action, and many others. But don't let your preconceived notions stop you now! Just like the cheering of federal courts overturning state laws. Nothing says limited government like a federal judicial oligarchy. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:01:30 AM EDT
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ROFL Millenials for smaller government? thats hilarious. Okay, let's assume you're right. What do you do now? Sit around and bitch that "Those dad-gummed kids just want more gub-mint!' That sure sounds useless, and it's absolutely not a reason to lean the Republican party more l. It's just a weaksauce excuse. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:02:06 AM EDT
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I said ron paul deliberatly.
Because Rand Paul is a republican and has distanced himelf greatly from his father's positions. There is a lesson in this for those willing to learn. Lets hit some Rand Paul quotes, shall we? •Redefining marriage leads to economic and moral problems. (Jun 2013) •Supports Amendment to prevent same sex marriage. (Aug 2010) •As only democracy in Mideast, Israel is important ally. (Feb 2011 •No amnesty; respect the law. (Jul 2010) •I am a Christian but not always a good one. (Sep 2012) •I'm "a pro-life Christian"; (Oct 2010) •I've never challenged constitutionality of Social Security. (Oct 2010) •Strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate us. (Jan 2014) (speaking on welfare) yeah. I like Rand Paul. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:02:45 AM EDT
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Liberaltarians boosting national socialists? They've been doing that all along. It's all about the weed, man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get your house in order before blaming someone else, then I'd imagine these sentiments would have no basis for existence. Liberaltarians boosting national socialists? They've been doing that all along. It's all about the weed, man. Heck, in VA, the "libertarian" candidate a few years back turned out to have been started and funded by the DNC to pull votes form the republican It worked and the Dem won. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want to change a party? Change it from within. Sounds like a great idea until your own party refuses much needed campaign money leaving you outspent 10 to 1 and losing the election by only 2% |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:03:27 AM EDT
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You speak for all millenials? Interesting. You think boomers will vote Ron Paul or Johnston? No, I don't speak for all millenials. However, the survey I posted on page one does. And supports what I said. Also, yes. Boomers will vote for Rand Paul. The fact that you said Ron Paul without realizing that he is not running speaks volumes. Millenials are all about smaller government, eh? Is that why Millenials all vote democrat? Really? Is that why they cheered the President when he talked about being on their parents health care plans till the age of 26. Again, only 35% of Millenials vote Democrat. You are painting with a very wide and tainted brush. Reference the Internet. You want to change a party? Change it from within. Otherwise you are not only a tool of the democratic party, but you are an ignorant tool to boot. That would probably be the reason why I am a registered Republican, and I volunteer to go door-to-door for them. But it appears you would rather the democrats win so you can rail for your social issues. Apparantly social issues are what drive your thinking. Which is fine, as long as you agree. Actually I disagree with Democrats on many social issues like guns, abortion, immigration, gay marriage, Affirmative Action, and many others. But don't let your preconceived notions stop you now! Just like the cheering of federal courts overturning state laws. Nothing says limited government like a federal judicial oligarchy. Nothing you say will change the fact that they believe D use the L to steal an election from the rightful winners the Rs. I Am going to start to refer to this as democratic privilage. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:04:45 AM EDT
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Sounds like a great idea until your own party refuses much needed campaign money leaving you outspent 10 to 1 and losing the election by only 2% Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You want to change a party? Change it from within. Sounds like a great idea until your own party refuses much needed campaign money leaving you outspent 10 to 1 and losing the election by only 2% What politician turned down campain money? 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:05:21 AM EDT
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Wouldn't it make more sense to push third parties on a local level until they gain traction instead of throwing them into the big battle. The one where every left leaner will line up like lemmings behind the Democratic candidate while the other side ends up fractured between two or three candidates. The Republicans may not be ideal on everything, but how much do you want to lose while waiting for the third parties to start winning?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:06:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, so someone familiar with Alaska politics explain this to me: How is the incumbent Democrat polling better than the 39% Obama got in '08? No one in the state even knows who Fish is. Your arguments that the republican party needs to pull libertarians is total bullshit when you consider that the guy is a total unknown. The democrats know this and are funding name recognition for him in the hope of stealing enough votes. Recent polling had begich down by 4 points. They are grasping at straws because we have an excellent candidate.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What politician turned down campain money? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You want to change a party? Change it from within. Sounds like a great idea until your own party refuses much needed campaign money leaving you outspent 10 to 1 and losing the election by only 2% What politician turned down campain money? The GOP withheld money from Cuccinelli's campaign. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:07:14 AM EDT
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Let's not carried away here..........I still think the GOP will regain the Senate and retain the House next week. And that is a fuck of a lot better than having the 'tards in control IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Republicans are fucking up the Republican party. Things like what happened with the primary in Mississippi. The Republican party wants to ignore the tea party crowd and the libertarian crowd. The want big government social conservative s and that is a shrinking group. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let's not carried away here..........I still think the GOP will regain the Senate and retain the House next week. And that is a fuck of a lot better than having the 'tards in control IMHO. The Republicans will keep control of the House. It looks like the Republicans will snatch a narrow victory in the Senate from the jaws of what could have (and should have) been a wave election. Unfortunately, the people who run the party will draw all the wrong conclusions from the narrow victory. They will conclude that having a positive message which makes people want to vote Republican isn't necessary. They will conclude that not being Obama is good enough. They will conclude that antagonizing a large part of the party's voters (the "TEA party") doesn't have an adverse effect on the party's electoral fortunes. They will conclude that manipulating the outcome of primary elections is a good idea. Those incorrect conclusions will bite them (and the rest of us) in the ass in 2016. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:07:24 AM EDT
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Because getting 5% to shift votes can lose an election. Getting enough R's to vote L and actually win an election is a fantasy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how Republicans keep blaming libertarians for stealing votes, ruining the election for them and getting a Democrat elected. Why then don't republicans see this happening and then do the smart thing and switch their vote to libertarian? (Hint: you're the ones complaining about a Democrat winning, you could of prevented it) Because getting 5% to shift votes can lose an election. Getting enough R's to vote L and actually win an election is a fantasy. Come on Man Ron Paul I Mean he always ran as a Liber.......ooops |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:07:59 AM EDT
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ROFL Millenials for smaller government? thats hilarious. There's some interesting polling coming out about the Texas governors race. The only age demographic Abortion Barbie was winning? 30-44. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:08:49 AM EDT
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You want to change a party? Change it from within. Sounds like a great idea until your own party refuses much needed campaign money leaving you outspent 10 to 1 and losing the election by only 2% What politician turned down campain money? The GOP withheld money from Cuccinelli's campaign. Ok. I thought some politician somewhere actually put his or her hand in their pocket for a second. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:09:06 AM EDT
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FSA types. Of which category all of the natives fall into. Begich is a slimy pos. The only reason he was elected was because of the stunts DOJ pulled against Ted Stevens. We were railroaded to get obozo his 61st vote. He has been running his whole life on his dead fathers coattails. As mayor he signed in secret sweetheart deals with all the public unions to buy enough votes to get elected. He left the city holdings a deficit to do so costing us millions of dollars. No one in the state even knows who Fish is. Your arguments that the republican party needs to pull libertarians is total bullshit when you consider that the guy is a total unknown. The democrats know this and are funding name recognition for him in the hope of stealing enough votes. Recent polling had begich down by 4 points. They are grasping at straws because we have an excellent candidate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Okay, so someone familiar with Alaska politics explain this to me: How is the incumbent Democrat polling better than the 39% Obama got in '08?
No one in the state even knows who Fish is. Your arguments that the republican party needs to pull libertarians is total bullshit when you consider that the guy is a total unknown. The democrats know this and are funding name recognition for him in the hope of stealing enough votes. Recent polling had begich down by 4 points. They are grasping at straws because we have an excellent candidate. And I said they needed to do so....where? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:10:17 AM EDT
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It's more accurate to say that the Libertarian Party is actively being fought over by liberal leaning Libertarians, and conservative leaning libertarians. So the Democrats think that they're all crazy right wing extremists, and Republicans call them Liberaltarians.
Some Libertarians are more right than most Republicans. Some of them are straight Communist. Personally, I'd rather change the GOP from the inside, but the Tea Partiers keep getting dismissed as irrelevant. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:10:52 AM EDT
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I said ron paul deliberatly. Because Rand Paul is a republican and has distanced himelf greatly from his father's positions. There is a lesson in this for those willing to learn. Lets hit some Rand Paul quotes, shall we? •Redefining marriage leads to economic and moral problems. (Jun 2013) •Supports Amendment to prevent same sex marriage. (Aug 2010) •As only democracy in Mideast, Israel is important ally. (Feb 2011 •No amnesty; respect the law. (Jul 2010) •I am a Christian but not always a good one. (Sep 2012) •I'm "a pro-life Christian"; (Oct 2010) •I've never challenged constitutionality of Social Security. (Oct 2010) •Strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate us. (Jan 2014) (speaking on welfare) yeah. I like Rand Paul. Yeah, and even though he isn't 100% libertarian, he is one hell of a lot closer than Bush Jr. was. I can deal with him, and would fucking jump for joy to see him as POTUS. I'm glad we have some middle ground here. That's all I'm saying, is you're OK with a relatively l-leaning Republican (more than most R candidates we've seen) and so am I. I'm not saying we need a full-blown l under the R title. Just something closer that will get the full support of both conservatives like you, and libertarians like me.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:15:02 AM EDT
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Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. I think the base is sick of the morality police BS. I suspect that there are bigger gains to be made than 2% if the GOP moves back towards a limited government world view. Plus, what are the morality police-minded voters gonna do? Vote for Dems? I don't think so. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:15:17 AM EDT
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I've thought for a long time that the libertarians are a front group for the democrats Funny that they support lower taxes, more conservative government reach and fiscal responsibility. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:16:18 AM EDT
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Yeah, and even though he isn't 100% libertarian, he is one hell of a lot closer than Bush Jr. was. I can deal with him, and would fucking jump for joy to see him as POTUS. I'm glad we have some middle ground here. That's all I'm saying, is you're OK with a relatively l-leaning Republican (more than most R candidates we've seen) and so am I. I'm not saying we need a full-blown l under the R title. Just something closer that will get the full support of both conservatives like you, and libertarians like me.
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I said ron paul deliberatly. Because Rand Paul is a republican and has distanced himelf greatly from his father's positions. There is a lesson in this for those willing to learn. Lets hit some Rand Paul quotes, shall we? •Redefining marriage leads to economic and moral problems. (Jun 2013) •Supports Amendment to prevent same sex marriage. (Aug 2010) •As only democracy in Mideast, Israel is important ally. (Feb 2011 •No amnesty; respect the law. (Jul 2010) •I am a Christian but not always a good one. (Sep 2012) •I'm "a pro-life Christian"; (Oct 2010) •I've never challenged constitutionality of Social Security. (Oct 2010) •Strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate us. (Jan 2014) (speaking on welfare) yeah. I like Rand Paul. Yeah, and even though he isn't 100% libertarian, he is one hell of a lot closer than Bush Jr. was. I can deal with him, and would fucking jump for joy to see him as POTUS. I'm glad we have some middle ground here. That's all I'm saying, is you're OK with a relatively l-leaning Republican (more than most R candidates we've seen) and so am I. I'm not saying we need a full-blown l under the R title. Just something closer that will get the full support of both conservatives like you, and libertarians like me.
Fight like hell in the primaries. But in the general, you gotta let that shit go. Tea Party did more in 1 year than the libertarians have in 40. Something to consider. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:16:43 AM EDT
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I think the base is sick of the morality police BS. I suspect that there are bigger gains to be made than 2% if the GOP moves back towards a limited government world view. Plus, what are the morality police-minded voters gonna do? Vote for Dems? I don't think so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. I think the base is sick of the morality police BS. I suspect that there are bigger gains to be made than 2% if the GOP moves back towards a limited government world view. Plus, what are the morality police-minded voters gonna do? Vote for Dems? I don't think so. Which is why California passed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:18:09 AM EDT
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Which is why California passed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. I think the base is sick of the morality police BS. I suspect that there are bigger gains to be made than 2% if the GOP moves back towards a limited government world view. Plus, what are the morality police-minded voters gonna do? Vote for Dems? I don't think so. Which is why California passed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. And that helps in what way? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:19:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, in this case, blaming democrats. I am not saying libertarians actively help democrats. But Begich is. What does he know? So a democrat spends money to advertise for the libertarians and the libertarians blame the GOP. Classic. Colorado gun laws anyone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once again republicans blame their failures on other. Actually, in this case, blaming democrats. I am not saying libertarians actively help democrats. But Begich is. What does he know? So a democrat spends money to advertise for the libertarians and the libertarians blame the GOP. Classic. Colorado gun laws anyone? Any Alaskan who votes to legalize weed is a Fucking idiot. It is already legal for personal use in your own home. You can possess up to 4 ounces and or 24 plants because our Constitution has the best privacy wording of any state. Legalize it and it blocks the constitution and invites taxation and new regulations. The only reason weed is even on the ballot is to try to get enough dopeheads to the polls to keep Begich in office. Fuck Begich.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:19:44 AM EDT
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ROFL Millenials for smaller government? thats hilarious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish the Republicans would get out of the morality business and stick to a smaller-governemtn-with-a-balanced-budget platform. Because that will bring in 2% of the voters and lose 15%? Just a thought. No. People like to argue that a "moral majority" conservative will bring out the GOP, and that they will stay at home otherwise. Not based on facts. Republicans turnout was higher than ever for Romney. He lost because he didn't bring in enough swing voters, not because he didn't rally conservatives. Conservatives rally against Liberals. Independents rally for libertarian-leaning Rebups. The best we can hope for is a super-liberal like Hitlery against a Rand Paul. THAT will win us an election. Jeb Bush will not. ROFL Millenials for smaller government? thats hilarious. How many millenials do you know? I have about 40 that work for me and guess what they all want. Less government in their lives and they are pissed that they are going to have to pay a tax for health care. They actually do not want health care. In fact, many want to not have it. But keep putting candidates that want the .gov to regulate morals and be surprised when it does not work. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:19:49 AM EDT
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I don't really care about your political party. I'm voting for the candidate I think will best represent me, while upholding their oath to the Constitution. Any whining about how it's not actually your candidate's fault, but the fault of voters who didn't agree with him but should have voted for him anyway, is just more likely to sway me against your party in the future. To say one candidate automatically gets votes, and if those people vote for someone else it must be their fault and not the candidate's, is convoluted logic.
However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. - George Washington |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:22:26 AM EDT
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Heck, in VA, the "libertarian" candidate a few years back turned out to have been started and funded by the DNC to pull votes form the republican It worked and the Dem won. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get your house in order before blaming someone else, then I'd imagine these sentiments would have no basis for existence. Liberaltarians boosting national socialists? They've been doing that all along. It's all about the weed, man. Heck, in VA, the "libertarian" candidate a few years back turned out to have been started and funded by the DNC to pull votes form the republican It worked and the Dem won. Holy fuck....just shut up. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:22:37 AM EDT
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So your attitude is that until 50% of america agrees with you, you will support the democratic party. but its not your job to change other peoples mind. You will sit back and wait for them to come to you. and libertarians should only run for national office. state and local elections are for the little people. big thinkers and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. It's up to the GOP. Adapt or go extinct. The LP or someone similar will be happy to offer a better product for the next generation once it gets tired of funding Obama's utopia. So your attitude is that until 50% of america agrees with you, you will support the democratic party. but its not your job to change other peoples mind. You will sit back and wait for them to come to you. and libertarians should only run for national office. state and local elections are for the little people. big thinkers and all. Not at all. I'm voting for the kind of government I want. There's a vendor for that kind of government right now. The LP. They get my vote. That's how democratic processes work and all that. They get people disillusioned with the GOP and with the Democrats. From the best numbers, they pull about equally from both sides. Ergo the constant drivel about it being support for the D party is just that. Drivel. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:23:37 AM EDT
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Holy fuck....just shut up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get your house in order before blaming someone else, then I'd imagine these sentiments would have no basis for existence. Liberaltarians boosting national socialists? They've been doing that all along. It's all about the weed, man. Heck, in VA, the "libertarian" candidate a few years back turned out to have been started and funded by the DNC to pull votes form the republican It worked and the Dem won. Holy fuck....just shut up. Why do you hate facts? 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:24:57 AM EDT
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Fight like hell in the primaries. But in the general, you gotta let that shit go. Tea Party did more in 1 year than the libertarians have in 40. Something to consider. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I said ron paul deliberatly. Because Rand Paul is a republican and has distanced himelf greatly from his father's positions. There is a lesson in this for those willing to learn. Lets hit some Rand Paul quotes, shall we? •Redefining marriage leads to economic and moral problems. (Jun 2013) •Supports Amendment to prevent same sex marriage. (Aug 2010) •As only democracy in Mideast, Israel is important ally. (Feb 2011 •No amnesty; respect the law. (Jul 2010) •I am a Christian but not always a good one. (Sep 2012) •I'm "a pro-life Christian"; (Oct 2010) •I've never challenged constitutionality of Social Security. (Oct 2010) •Strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate us. (Jan 2014) (speaking on welfare) yeah. I like Rand Paul. Yeah, and even though he isn't 100% libertarian, he is one hell of a lot closer than Bush Jr. was. I can deal with him, and would fucking jump for joy to see him as POTUS. I'm glad we have some middle ground here. That's all I'm saying, is you're OK with a relatively l-leaning Republican (more than most R candidates we've seen) and so am I. I'm not saying we need a full-blown l under the R title. Just something closer that will get the full support of both conservatives like you, and libertarians like me.
Fight like hell in the primaries. But in the general, you gotta let that shit go. Tea Party did more in 1 year than the libertarians have in 40. Something to consider. The Tea party was started by Ron Paul.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:25:48 AM EDT
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Not at all. I'm voting for the kind of government I want. There's a vendor for that kind of government right now. The LP. They get my vote. That's how democratic processes work and all that. They get people disillusioned with the GOP and with the Democrats. From the best numbers, they pull about equally from both sides. Ergo the constant drivel about it being support for the D party is just that. Drivel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. It's up to the GOP. Adapt or go extinct. The LP or someone similar will be happy to offer a better product for the next generation once it gets tired of funding Obama's utopia. So your attitude is that until 50% of america agrees with you, you will support the democratic party. but its not your job to change other peoples mind. You will sit back and wait for them to come to you. and libertarians should only run for national office. state and local elections are for the little people. big thinkers and all. Not at all. I'm voting for the kind of government I want. There's a vendor for that kind of government right now. The LP. They get my vote. That's how democratic processes work and all that. They get people disillusioned with the GOP and with the Democrats. From the best numbers, they pull about equally from both sides. Ergo the constant drivel about it being support for the D party is just that. Drivel. Vote for who you want. In fact, why don't you write yourself in? But when you and your ilk deliver a victory to Al Franken and Mark Begich, you will reap the scorn you planted. |
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