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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:03:47 PM EDT
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Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. However, you can certainly see the dig on Benedict in the article. Benedict is and was THE EXPERT on Church Doctrine in this century. To say that he was somehow trying to undermine a 50 year old finding is ludicrous. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:03:57 PM EDT
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He's a socialist. CCC 2245 |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either the universe created itself out of nothing or there is some intelligent design to the creation of the universe. There are really no other explanations. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Literally, there are dozens, if not hundreds of possible explanations that people can come up with. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Wrong. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Literally, there are dozens, if not hundreds of possible explanations that people can come up with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Either the universe created itself out of nothing or there is some intelligent design to the creation of the universe. There are really no other explanations. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Literally, there are dozens, if not hundreds of possible explanations that people can come up with. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just say "I don't know". If they're feeling frisky and a little optimistic, they can even say "I don't know. Yet". |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:07:20 PM EDT
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. As even a cursory reading of GD sadly often proves. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sometimes don't know who "True Christians" freak out about more: Non-believers who don't believe the religion at all, or fellow Christians who "are doing it wrong" by believing slightly differently than them. Why are you even in this thread? Just to hurl insults and snarky comments? Or do you have something meaningful to contribute? Nick |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:08:19 PM EDT
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However, you can certainly see the dig on Benedict in the article. Benedict is and was THE EXPERT on Church Doctrine in this century. To say that he was somehow trying to undermine a 50 year old finding is ludicrous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. However, you can certainly see the dig on Benedict in the article. Benedict is and was THE EXPERT on Church Doctrine in this century. To say that he was somehow trying to undermine a 50 year old finding is ludicrous. Yeah, the famous journalist phrase "some claim" without identifying who they are or if anybody cares about them and their opinions. Shit, they even ignore Francis' own words at the event praising Benedict. Journalists are, and remain, stupid and biased. ETA: You'll also note that the MSM journalists are ignoring Pope Francis' recent words about the family and marriage as hard as they possible can. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you even in this thread? Just to hurl insults and snarky comments? Or do you have something meaningful to contribute? Nick Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I sometimes don't know who "True Christians" freak out about more: Non-believers who don't believe the religion at all, or fellow Christians who "are doing it wrong" by believing slightly differently than them. Why are you even in this thread? Just to hurl insults and snarky comments? Or do you have something meaningful to contribute? Nick Meaningful contribution? Look a few posts up. What's your contribution? To freak out about someone pointing out the actions of the "True Christian" types? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:11:52 PM EDT
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The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI. Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”. “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said. He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. This former-Catholic-turned-agnostic really likes this pope. I do as well, hell, he makes me almost want to mass. Best thing to happen to the church in centuries. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:12:14 PM EDT
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Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:12:22 PM EDT
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He's right
And this has been there position of Rome for a long time now actually But I'm soooooo in for the child-like meltdowns from the literalists |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:20:07 PM EDT
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At some point one needs to ask.... What is it that God does exactly? If he's capable of creating a Universe from nothing, why is it hard to conceive crafting a planet and life outside the limits of just letting it grow up from mud somewhere by chance in a universe? What's the point of the rest of the story if his only true influence is the expansion of The Universe 14B years ago? Then again I always wondered why he needed to create an entire universe to make some beings and tell them how to live. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never thought religion and science were mutually exclusive. Big Bang, to me, is "let there be light, and there was." It, actually, makes more sense to me than a standalone "Nobody+ Nothing = Everything" stance. Evolution may have been God "growing" man. Although evolution is missing many links... And everyone spouting time inconsistencies seems laughable to me. At some point one needs to ask.... What is it that God does exactly? If he's capable of creating a Universe from nothing, why is it hard to conceive crafting a planet and life outside the limits of just letting it grow up from mud somewhere by chance in a universe? What's the point of the rest of the story if his only true influence is the expansion of The Universe 14B years ago? Then again I always wondered why he needed to create an entire universe to make some beings and tell them how to live. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:20:38 PM EDT
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ETA: You'll also note that the MSM journalists are ignoring Pope Francis' recent words about the family and marriage as hard as they possible can. Indeed. Combined with the fact that the Pope, as Jesuit, lectures/teaches in an unsurprisingly Jesuit fashion that is problematic for short attention span literalists. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:23:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Independent.uk Link The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not "a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the "pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI. Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they "require it”. "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said. He added: "He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. This former-Catholic-turned-agnostic really likes this pope. That last bit sounds an awful lot like the Deist concepts of the first cause and natural laws/rights.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:31:28 PM EDT
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Well, when we get down to it, at cosmic levels, that's all anyone is doing--guessing. Can you tell me what came before the big bang or why it "banged?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like what this Pope is saying, but I’ve always said and still maintain that religion and science are not compatible. Religion will continue to mold its interpretation of religious texts/teaching to fit with current scientific discoveries, but it will never be the other way around. No matter how far science progresses, “God” will never be the answer. Therefore, the two will always be in conflict with one another, and thus, not compatible. In my opinion of course…… Science and religion are very compatible and there have been some very great scientific minds who were religious. As long as religion remains on the philosophical side and discusses the question of "why," and science discusses the question of "how," there is no conflict. If one believes that God created an ordered universe run by natural laws of his design, one can accept that evolution is one of those laws. True, but I think we both know that people of faith will always say at some point during the process that, "God did it", or "God started it in motion", etc. Well, when we get down to it, at cosmic levels, that's all anyone is doing--guessing. Can you tell me what came before the big bang or why it "banged?" No, I can't. One thing I am certain about is that no matter what the answer is, it's scientific and some day, somewhere, a scientist will figure it out. It is not, "God did it". |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:33:31 PM EDT
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Wrong. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Literally, there are dozens, if not hundreds of possible explanations that people can come up with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Either the universe created itself out of nothing or there is some intelligent design to the creation of the universe. There are really no other explanations. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Literally, there are dozens, if not hundreds of possible explanations that people can come up with. The universe could have been created by a non-conscious cause. That is a variation of the universe created itself out of nothing. The universe itself (or the singularity that caused the universe) could have always existed. The secular scientists are dead set on this BBT but they can't explain what happen before the BB, no less the concept of infinity. Everything that we know is based upon the concept of a finite universe. Until we learn different then that theory has no substance to it. An intelligent god could have accidentally created the universe (no design). Well He did create Democrats so maybe you are on to something there. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:36:05 PM EDT
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It's kind of sad to see so much hatred in the name of God.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:37:05 PM EDT
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No, I can't. One thing I am certain about is that no matter what the answer is, it's scientific and some day, somewhere, a scientist will figure it out. It is not, "God did it". Actually, it very well may not be answerable. If whatever created the Big Bang or the conditions for it, even if it wasn't God, occured outside the observable universe then it very well not ever be able to be known simple because of the position we're able to make our observations from. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:39:43 PM EDT
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I <3 these threads. Always so enlightening.
*grabs second bowl of popcorn* |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:40:01 PM EDT
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As even a cursory reading of GD sadly often proves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. As even a cursory reading of GD sadly often proves. Quite true. A lot of rabid anti-Catholics blame the fall of Rome on the Church, and yet it was the Church that preserved most of the knowledge and learning of ancient Rome. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:40:56 PM EDT
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It's kind of sad to see so much hatred in the name of God. wat? Post a link to this hatred in the name of God. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:43:07 PM EDT
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Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. He's not saying Catholics agreed to evolution and the big bang theory, he's saying Catholics came up with those ideas. And....he's also wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. He's not saying Catholics agreed to evolution and the big bang theory, he's saying Catholics came up with those ideas. And....he's also wrong. He's right on the Big Bang - see Georges Lemaitre, the Catholic Priest that came up with the idea. but Darwin was Anglican, not Catholic. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:43:11 PM EDT
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Actually, it very well may not be answerable. If whatever created the Big Bang or the conditions for it, even if it wasn't God, occured outside the observable universe then it very well not ever be able to be known simple because of the position we're able to make our observations from. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, I can't. One thing I am certain about is that no matter what the answer is, it's scientific and some day, somewhere, a scientist will figure it out. It is not, "God did it". Actually, it very well may not be answerable. If whatever created the Big Bang or the conditions for it, even if it wasn't God, occured outside the observable universe then it very well not ever be able to be known simple because of the position we're able to make our observations from. Maybe, but I bet the answer lies in quantum mechanics, something that we're just now starting to understand. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:45:15 PM EDT
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I'm just gonna c/p this, since it's so useful here. Might I suggest reading the various works of St. Augustine? His writings and thoughts from, oh, 1600 years ago might help you out. I'm not sure if I should blame the poor state of History or Philosophy education in the Western world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Church thinking: "Hm... There's overwhelming evidence that we've been wrong all along and our followers are starting to think critically enough to re-evaluate their belief system. Better 'reinterpret' our holy book for the umpteenth time to make it more compatible with mainstream thinking." Everyone else: "So did your god change his mind? Or was he wrong all along?" ETA: let the butthurt flow  I'm just gonna c/p this, since it's so useful here. Might I suggest reading the various works of St. Augustine? His writings and thoughts from, oh, 1600 years ago might help you out. I'm not sure if I should blame the poor state of History or Philosophy education in the Western world. This is Arfcom. Get blame both! 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:51:30 PM EDT
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This will surely endear him to the Protestants.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:51:52 PM EDT
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That is absolutely correct and has been understood by Protestants for centuries. But Roman Catholics have been trained to believe their doctrine and don't really care to understand the original language use. Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The name (in red), Peter, means "rock or rock man". In the next phase, Jesus used "petra" (in blue) (upon this rock), a feminine form of "rock", not a name. And since it is feminine, it cannot be speaking of Peter, the man. Christ used this play on words to make a point. He does not say "upon you, Peter" or "upon your successors", but "upon this rock" - upon this divine revelation and faith in Christ. "I will build" shows that the formation of this church was still in the future. It began the day of Pentecost. The rock upon which Christ built His church is Faith in Jesus. Except that in Aramaic, which is what Our Lord spoke, it would have been "Kepha, kepha" rather than "Petros, petra." So Jesus' quote would look more like this: "You are Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my Church." When the quote was written in Greek or translated from Aramaic to Greek, it would be inappropriate to name a man "Petra" because in Greek it is feminine. So it was changed to the masculine form, "Petros." |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:53:01 PM EDT
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Best thing to happen to the church in centuries. lol |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:55:16 PM EDT
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I like this guy.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? Nah, Chris. Pope Francis is the man. I like having him as my Pope much more than anyone before, including JP. There is a world out there that we can see with technology and modern technique that we can't ignore. Clinging to ideology so far removed from what we know today and just pretending it doesn't exist is silly. Of course evolution is real, we can witness it and we have concrete proof that it's happened. Why can't we reason that God intended for it to happen? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:58:41 PM EDT
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I've been saying this for years, and I'm a Christian.
My oldest sister is probably the second most level-headed person in the family and she believes the Earth is 40,000-80,000 years old. No idea how she came to that number
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:59:35 PM EDT
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Mah babies didn't' come from no monkeys.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:03:25 PM EDT
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Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? No kidding. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:08:49 PM EDT
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It has. But the GD experts here don't need that tidbit of info/fact. Catholocism teaches that science and Christianity compliment each other. The two stories in the book of Genesis that cover the creation story are merely stories trying to explain the unexplainable. Stories from the New Testament are much newer and have less issues with the differences in translations. Catholic means universal. It's the oldest Christian religion; as such it's been around long enough to make alot of mistakes. It's also gained wisdom in that time and eventually gets it right (Galilleo comes to mind here).  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hasn't the Catholic church accepted evolution and the big bang for quite some time now? It has. But the GD experts here don't need that tidbit of info/fact. Catholocism teaches that science and Christianity compliment each other. The two stories in the book of Genesis that cover the creation story are merely stories trying to explain the unexplainable. Stories from the New Testament are much newer and have less issues with the differences in translations. Catholic means universal. It's the oldest Christian religion; as such it's been around long enough to make alot of mistakes. It's also gained wisdom in that time and eventually gets it right (Galilleo comes to mind here). well said sir!! |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:09:10 PM EDT
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I didn't know the Big Bang Theory was even controversial within Christianity. The Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God has been a staple of Christian apologetics for decades, and while there are philosophical reasons often given for the impossibility of an eternal universe, the scientific evidence for the BB is often brought out in support of the argument.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:16:51 PM EDT
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I didn't know the Big Bang Theory was even controversial within Christianity. It's not, unless you include that small minority of Christians who profess American-style Protestantism. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:18:52 PM EDT
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Fundamentalist heads are exploding around the world. Modernists on the other hand are probably pretty happy. Scopes, Darrow and Malone were right.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:20:34 PM EDT
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Nephilim
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a source for that? Even if true, all it means is that the church officially sanctioned the intentional deception of its followers. Funny how the church couldn't even follow the ten basic rules they teach. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. Got a source for that? Even if true, all it means is that the church officially sanctioned the intentional deception of its followers. Funny how the church couldn't even follow the ten basic rules they teach. The church is not against lying, it's against bearing false witness. There is a difference. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:22:19 PM EDT
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Maybe a greater understanding of how our world actually works has left us less reliant on the fables, folklore and mythologies of ancient tribesmen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? Maybe a greater understanding of how our world actually works has left us less reliant on the fables, folklore and mythologies of ancient tribesmen. There are some things that we will never be able to understand, even in areas such as math. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:23:34 PM EDT
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As the Pontiff, he is allowed to pontificate. This thread will surely lead to peace, love, and mutual understanding. 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lutherans have believed the same thing for many years. In fact most Christians believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth and He did it according to the Laws of Physics and in an orderly manner. That includes evolution and everything else that we know of. Just because one clown a few hundred years ago tried to determine the age of the earth by counting the generations described in the Bible doesn't mean everybody believes it. It good to see our Catholic brothers and sisters finally getting on the bandwagon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm a Lutheran and I like this guy. Lutherans have believed the same thing for many years. In fact most Christians believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth and He did it according to the Laws of Physics and in an orderly manner. That includes evolution and everything else that we know of. Just because one clown a few hundred years ago tried to determine the age of the earth by counting the generations described in the Bible doesn't mean everybody believes it. It good to see our Catholic brothers and sisters finally getting on the bandwagon.  |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:33:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:34:02 PM EDT
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lol.
there is nothing to declare about evolution. it's a scientific fact. you can't deny it anymore than you can deny that the sky is blue or the space has stars in it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:37:46 PM EDT
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God is a magnificent scientist. There is no need for anal distress about it.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:39:08 PM EDT
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The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI. Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”. “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said. He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. This former-Catholic-turned-agnostic really likes this pope. He's not a Christian he's a theist -imo Maybe when he reads Genesis he runs the risk of imagining God (was) a magician with a magic wand able to do everything.... |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:42:09 PM EDT
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As an atheist, I'm not really sure why people (especially other atheists) are getting so excited about this...
First of all, this isn't news. Second, the Pope is not discrediting creationism whatsoever - this isn't some kind of "holy shit" revelation by the Catholic church on their beliefs - he's simply saying that without God, there is no big bang and ultimately, no evolution. It's still a bunch of nonsense, but on the surface it sounds more appealing to the masses than the magical sky God story.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Adaptation and survival of the fittest certainly explains the ongoing variations in species. Neithera Big Bang person or a religious nut (to include the pope) has enough basic sense or an openmind to understand such. At least Catholics aren't as nutty as Muslims or as in your face as Baptist.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:49:23 PM EDT
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IBTL......
The Pope...... 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:53:41 PM EDT
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He's right on the Big Bang - see Georges Lemaitre, the Catholic Priest that came up with the idea. but Darwin was Anglican, not Catholic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. He's not saying Catholics agreed to evolution and the big bang theory, he's saying Catholics came up with those ideas. And....he's also wrong. He's right on the Big Bang - see Georges Lemaitre, the Catholic Priest that came up with the idea. but Darwin was Anglican, not Catholic. I was talking about Jean-Baptiste Lamark and Gregor Mendel. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 2:06:05 PM EDT
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The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI. Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”. “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said. He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment. This former-Catholic-turned-agnostic really likes this pope. While one may be able to fit some sort of evolution into the creation story there comes a problem when one makes the assertion that it had to happen that way. God does not need evolution and he does not need this pope. People act as if this person selected by men gets to speak over the Word of God to tell us what to believe and they are wrong. At best this pope has once again had his poor speaking twisted by enemies of the Church and at worst he is just flat out wrong. Matthew 19:26 NIV - Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” The Lord is not some magician; He is the one true God. He has no limits and He gave us his word so that we would need no dignitary appointed by man to tell us what to believe. |
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