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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:30:44 AM EDT
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I work union, love guns, hate abortion and vote for who I believe is the better man regardless of party. ARF.com hates me. I'm very pro union. I am as well. I've been labeled a communist, a progressive and liberal on this site. Funny thing is, the guys I work with are the most charitable group I've worked with and are also a large group of patriotic veterans. I would love to see the average basement dwelling arfcommer call these guys communist to their face. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:32:05 AM EDT
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You do see the irony of that fact that you pay in money that is used to support candidates to elected office that vote very strongly against what you stand for, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work union, love guns, hate abortion and vote for who I believe is the better man regardless of party. ARF.com hates me. I'm very pro union. You do see the irony of that fact that you pay in money that is used to support candidates to elected office that vote very strongly against what you stand for, right? And you also do the same every time you purchase products from companies that support democratic causes. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:34:35 AM EDT
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I don't exactly hate Unions I hate Union Dues....I already get robbed from my check by the govt every couple weeks so why should I give more to someone else?  Yet you pay auto and home insurance and hopefully never have to use it |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:49:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not that much in that industry, and in the places Apple and Google are based out of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games.  Lets keep things in perspective, while it looks like it was illegal, the companies in question are some of the highest paying companies in the country. Apple and Google's average salaries for software engineers are both over 120k. That's not that much in that industry, and in the places Apple and Google are based out of. I bet a lot of union folk in those areas would love to avg that kind of pay for a desk job.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:55:47 AM EDT
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Because it's just that easy. Typical Rush Limbaugh response! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like you should start your own company. Because it's just that easy. Typical Rush Limbaugh response! Of course it isn't easy. But serious question... why not? OP thinks he knows better than the management of his company. And maybe he does, there's plenty of companies that have terrible management. So why not try it out? Why waste your energy fighting the company you work for when you could be working for yourself? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course it isn't easy. But serious question... why not? OP thinks he knows better than the management of his company. And maybe he does, there's plenty of companies that have terrible management. So why not try it out? Why waste your energy fighting the company you work for when you could be working for yourself? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like you should start your own company. OP thinks he knows better than the management of his company. And maybe he does, there's plenty of companies that have terrible management. So why not try it out? Why waste your energy fighting the company you work for when you could be working for yourself? +1 It sounds like it might be a great opportunity. Companies are just people. Working for yourself, while challenging, typically is more financially lucrative then working for someone else if you have the proper skill set, discipline, and ability. Wasting time organizing a union, is simply trying to get government (other people) to step into your voluntary relation with your company (people you work for) and force them to do something which they would not voluntarily do. The people the OP works for might be terrible managers. If they are there is the opportunity to beat them.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets keep things in perspective, while it looks like it was illegal, the companies in question are some of the highest paying companies in the country. Apple and Google's average salaries for software engineers are both over 120k. That's not that much in that industry, and in the places Apple and Google are based out of. Apple and Google are both in the top 10 for salaries for software engineers. I think that's diluted by companies that are not comparable in markets that are not comparable doing jobs that are not comparable except for title. To use an example from my industry, a "building engineer" could be a guy with decades of experience and training, a fistful of licenses, who is single handedly reprogramming the sequence of operations for the hvac system in a multi-million square foot office building in New York. Or it could be a glorified janitor at a Motel 6 in Des Moines who calls a vendor for anything more complicated than unclogging a drain. But because both have the same title so their salary range gets averaged out. Google and Amazon pay well, but on a $/hour basis and directly comparing them apples to apple with similar jobs in similar markets they aren't that great. ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:50:42 PM EDT
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And you also do the same every time you purchase products from companies that support democratic causes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work union, love guns, hate abortion and vote for who I believe is the better man regardless of party. ARF.com hates me. I'm very pro union. You do see the irony of that fact that you pay in money that is used to support candidates to elected office that vote very strongly against what you stand for, right? And you also do the same every time you purchase products from companies that support democratic causes. That you don't see the difference does not surprise me a bit. Good to know your full fledged support for communist ideology comrade. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $120k isn't that much for Silicon Valley....... The PoPo/Firefighters are making that or close to it....... ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ With those kinds of retirements, it would behove the retirees to move to states or cities where the cost of living weren't as high. In a lot of places $120k will get you a fairly affluent middle class lifestyle. Hell, we have highly educated general practice physicians that make around that amount of money...working. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:14:35 PM EDT
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Socialism is very enticing, it lures people in with the promise of free stuff, then it grinds them under their heel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work union, love guns, hate abortion and vote for who I believe is the better man regardless of party. ARF.com hates me. I'm very pro union. Socialism is very enticing, it lures people in with the promise of free stuff, then it grinds them under their heel. What free stuff am I getting? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $120k isn't that much for Silicon Valley....... The PoPo/Firefighters are making that or close to it....... 120ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer 120ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:04:00 PM EDT
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Here's my deal (
).You want to organize and tell an employer that you (And your friends) as a cartel, wont work for him/her unless your collective needs are met? I'm totally cool with that  You THEN try (Through threats of violence and Government Intervention) to keep people out who're ready and willing to do the same work and a lesser price?...Go fuck yourself you fucking Luddites. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 120 is their average which means some make more and some make less. I would hazard a guess (and knowing people who have worked for both) that tje higher pay is also geographically divided. But don't let that stop you from bashing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer 120ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ I was talking about the Pay Scales in SILICON VALLEY, California......... Of Course if you Retired from here & moved to Texas with your 90% @ 30, that would explain the Chip on Your Shoulder.......  |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:23:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before you accuse me of Bashing, maybe go back & read what I posted without a Chip on your Shoulder........ I was talking about the Pay Scales in SILICON VALLEY, California......... Of Course if you Retired from here & moved to Texas with your 90% @ 30, that would explain the Chip on Your Shoulder....... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer 120ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ I was talking about the Pay Scales in SILICON VALLEY, California......... Of Course if you Retired from here & moved to Texas with your 90% @ 30, that would explain the Chip on Your Shoulder....... |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so that's what you got out of my post. I was clearly talking about geographical differences in pay within Google and Apple and how the average number isn't the end all be all number. Try to keep up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your point would be valid for a company paying middle of the road but paying in the top ten means they are competing with the big players not the mom and pop shops that call their customer service clerk a software engineer 120ETA: A friend that Retired as a Lt in my Cities PD, makes more than $120K from his retirement pay........ I was talking about the Pay Scales in SILICON VALLEY, California......... Of Course if you Retired from here & moved to Texas with your 90% @ 30, that would explain the Chip on Your Shoulder....... I didn't notice you clipped them in your other post......... |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:51:55 PM EDT
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Ever hear of Anti-Trust laws. Employers can no more conspire to set wages than they can to fix prices. The Feds love to prosecute that kind of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games.
You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you?
Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:12:17 PM EDT
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You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you?
Jaholder is right I'm afaid. I got told when asking for a raise that it was fixed and regardless of how hard I worked, I was not getting a cent more. The sad part is that I don't know how to be a mediocre employee so I still give 200% effort anyway. 
Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games.
You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you?
Jaholder is right I'm afaid. I got told when asking for a raise that it was fixed and regardless of how hard I worked, I was not getting a cent more. The sad part is that I don't know how to be a mediocre employee so I still give 200% effort anyway.
Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:27:13 PM EDT
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I'm out of the work force(retired). Once I suppose I was anti union. However, over the years I've seen lots of sociopathic supervisors. Malicious, arbitrary actions
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:32:52 PM EDT
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I've had to sit down with several supervisors and tell them I wasn't putting up with lying. Then I went to the union and got an apology.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:39:07 PM EDT
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Employers pushing employees around, telling them what to do? No way!
Motherfuckers give them paychecks every two weeks? Bastages! |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:40:44 PM EDT
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I've had to sit down with several supervisors and tell them I wasn't putting up with lying. Then I went to the union and got an apology. And what was your supposed apology worth? In dollars. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:51:36 PM EDT
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Are you sggesting that supervisors are entitled to lie?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 11:54:24 PM EDT
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And what was your supposed apology worth? In dollars. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had to sit down with several supervisors and tell them I wasn't putting up with lying. Then I went to the union and got an apology. And what was your supposed apology worth? In dollars. The supervisor left me alone after that. Some people (sociopaths) like to push people around. And pick on people they think won't fight back. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:29:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The supervisor left me alone after that. Some people (sociopaths) like to push people around. And pick on people they think won't fight back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've had to sit down with several supervisors and tell them I wasn't putting up with lying. Then I went to the union and got an apology. And what was your supposed apology worth? In dollars. The supervisor left me alone after that. Some people (sociopaths) like to push people around. And pick on people they think won't fight back. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:33:03 AM EDT
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I firmly believe in the right of people to freely assemble and associate, and form labor unions. However, I also firmly believe in the right of business owners to to freely assemble and associate, and refuse to employ people associated with labor unions. When the government steps in and protects one over the other, it has stepped too far. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:34:23 AM EDT
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I never understood making employees who don't want to be in a union to be in one. If the union is a good product, it should sell itself.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:34:42 AM EDT
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I work for a large company. I get lied to from the powers that be. The thing you need to focus on is not what they say, but what can you do to make it better for yourself and your fellow workers.
I'm not union . You treat people the way you want to be treated. People have problems at home , kids sick, wife sick. employee got plastered the night before. I was young once too. I have various people that work for me now, anywhere from 10 to 40 at a given time. You know what? I just ask them to do what needs to be done for the day and they go the extra mile. No bitching first thing in the morning. They have a good time. Industrial electricians are the best.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:38:39 AM EDT
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I'm out of the work force(retired). Once I suppose I was anti union. However, over the years I've seen lots of sociopathic supervisors. Malicious, arbitrary actions on the part of management. Sometimes, unions are nice to have around. The problem with that is the guys who have a 6 pack for lunch get union protection too. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:39:55 AM EDT
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The problem with that is the guys who have a 6 pack for lunch get union protection too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm out of the work force(retired). Once I suppose I was anti union. However, over the years I've seen lots of sociopathic supervisors. Malicious, arbitrary actions on the part of management. Sometimes, unions are nice to have around. The problem with that is the guys who have a 6 pack for lunch get union protection too. Actually, I agree with you. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back & look @ the Posts you clipped off, that I was responding to in my previous post........ I didn't notice you clipped them in your other post......... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:02:05 PM EDT
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The problem with that is the guys who have a 6 pack for lunch get union protection too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm out of the work force(retired). Once I suppose I was anti union. However, over the years I've seen lots of sociopathic supervisors. Malicious, arbitrary actions on the part of management. Sometimes, unions are nice to have around. The problem with that is the guys who have a 6 pack for lunch get union protection too. Lol, I personally witnessed a guy who pissed hot on a random drug test, he was union as was I. I'd like to know what kind of "union protection" you think the guy got? Then I will tell you exactly what happened and where the guy is now. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:25:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you? Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games. You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you? Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union. Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why. You left out "prevailing wage" in your list.  |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:50:20 AM EDT
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Yeah, Unions are a cancer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With unions, the cure is worse than the disease. Yeah, Unions are a cancer. Really, Unions aren't importing labor to deflate labor costs with people who are blowing up our cities, end up on Welfare rolls (of all types) and contribute to the Ghetto Expansion of America. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:59:35 AM EDT
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The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union.
Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why.
You left out "prevailing wage" in your list.
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Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games.
You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you?
Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union.
Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why.
You left out "prevailing wage" in your list.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:09:46 AM EDT
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I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union ! Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:27:04 AM EDT
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Are you sggesting that supervisors are entitled to lie? Any supervisor who lies to their employees is an idiot. But in the who lies to employees more game, unions are ahead by a mile. Hell, their ability to lie is legally protected. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 2:43:18 PM EDT
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And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union ! Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. Lol... No strike clause in my contract, try again. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:33:25 PM EDT
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Lol... No strike clause in my contract, try again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union ! Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. Lol... No strike clause in my contract, try again. Pathetic and shameful. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:48:37 PM EDT
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Pathetic and shameful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union ! Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. Lol... No strike clause in my contract, try again. Pathetic and shameful. Lame and uninformed. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:26:14 PM EDT
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Welcome to government aerospace contracting, where talented, intelligent people beat their brains out for 4-15% profit margins. You'll be more successful another business where the profit margins are large and your competition will be dumb people. Look at all the bimbos that are multimillionaires for leaking sex tapes in the internet.....
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:42:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you mean minimum a contractor could pay you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games. You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you? Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union. Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why. You left out "prevailing wage" in your list. Do you mean minimum a contractor could pay you? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:49:09 AM EDT
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If you don't like it Quit
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:06:24 PM EDT
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The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union.
Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why.
You left out "prevailing wage" in your list.
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Is it still a free market when employers band together and conspire to keep wages low as was pointed out by another poster in this thread? Let's not pretend that employers don't play games.
You really believe that line of bullshit, don't you?
Collusion is alive and well, living under assumed names like "industry Wage Standard","Strategic Marketing Agreements" and the ever-popular "Corporate Synergy". The only time my wages were strictly dictated by a chart was in the union.
Not matter what anyone tells you, most jobs have a pay ceiling - basic economics will help you figure out why.
You left out "prevailing wage" in your list.
Please - your basic economics principles are bullshit. Vendor is trying to extract money from the consumer at all costs and will do everything legal and illegal if the return on his investment will cover the penalties. The consumer is trying to get what he can for what he's got and while there's some consumer protection available to him he'll get fucked 9/10 times if he's not careful. Arfcom's idea of free market economics is a bastard child of crony and anarcho-capitalism that tilts the scales in his favor while giving him cover against the consumer. First time my wages were restricted by a chart was working at a Sbarro pizza place in a Simon owned shopping mall when I was in High School. I applied for a another job inside the mall and was told there were agreements in place not to hire any other employee from another business in the mall and that one business couldn't pay an employee more than was being paid by the other businesses if both jobs were doing similar duties. Nonunion/ right to work/ at will employment. these agreements were written into the Simon mall leases to avoid the overt accusations. Also know firsthand that area businesses have used every trick in the book to keep others from moving to the area because they knew the new business paid better wages and bennies starting out than they established ones were paying their seasoned help. Collusion's alive and well despite arfcom GD's blind eye. Collusion |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:15:45 PM EDT
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Fuck unions.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 12:58:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union ! Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. I pay about $65 once a month (2 hours pay) into my Union and benefit with much higher wages and benefits than anything in my area. In addition I have the cheapest and best health coverage I've had in 10 years And you get that as a union member because unions operate under the mob/thug culture of give us our way, or we strike. It's pathetic and shameful. |
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