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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:24:47 PM EDT
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Sounds like you should start your own company.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:25:25 PM EDT
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Agree but you are going to be loved tenderly in this thread.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:25:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: I havent worked very long...or hard, but im very bitter towards large companies. Perhaps its the industry (dependent on govt spending primarily), contract style, technical / engineering work. Every 4 years the contract goes up for bid and a new, motivated company swoons in and tells us how great they are. The new company tells us how weve got to get "lean" and stay "competitive" to keep getting new work. all the way up until the last day of the contract most folks dont know who stays or goes, then on the weekend a phone call and an email... please return offer in 24 hours. offer is a slight pay cut and less vacation, sweet, times are tough, your just lucky to have a job they say. At the onset the company introduced us as all overpaid and that there are thousands of people just waiting to take our jobs. The next blow is benefits enrollments, year over year, coverage gets worse and employee contribution goes up. The company tells us, your just soo overcompensated and need to bring you in to meet industry standards. Well, F that! just because you pulled some comps for god knows what, doesnt mean were over paid or our benefits are out of line. weak rant, but dam, I know why unions were formed back in the day.... the big contractors are in a cartel on lowering compensation across the country. Even if you leave one, the next one treats you the same way...maybe not at first, but they are all cutting back with a smile. Wife though worked for an outfit that treated her like dirt. She got a new job at a large well known corporation after being laid Off during a downsizing. her new job offers better hours, better pay, morale is high, no threats to write people up for reasons outside of their control, etc, etc, It's like how can this be? It's a whole other world. Some corporations are just shitbirds. I think the key is and I know I have been guilty in the past, dont be complacent, always be looking for a better deal. Unless of course you have a good deal with job security, decent pay and high morale. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:27:00 PM EDT
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There's nothing wrong with workers forming a union, but the undue political clout they have now is fucking ridiculous and a direct result of democrats effecting a political takeover of the country.
So is the "times are tough, you're lucky to have this job" bit. Let's hear it for serfdom, courtesy of the DNC 
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:27:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Gee, that must be tough.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:27:52 PM EDT
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I remember the day I told my (...last) boss, "Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll try to make the transition as painless as possible..."
That was 15 years ago and I've never looked back. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:28:23 PM EDT
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Depends on the industry and the supply of labor vs demand.
In my area, if you're a programmer you can just about name your price. Having worked for both I will say that working for a (well run) small company is so much better. When the boss has to actually look you in the eye every day he's much less likely to try and screw you over.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:31:45 PM EDT
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If you don't like it, vote with your feet.
If someone offered to pay me $5.00 an hour to dig ditches, I would decline and seek employment elsewhere. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing wrong with workers forming a union, but the undue political clout they have now is fucking ridiculous and a direct result of democrats effecting a political takeover of the country. So is the "times are tough, you're lucky to have this job" bit. Let's hear it for serfdom, courtesy of the DNC The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:32:15 PM EDT
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Depends on the industry and the supply of labor vs demand. In my area, if you're a programmer you can just about name your price. Having worked for both I will say that working for a (well run) small company is so much better. When the boss has to actually look you in the eye every day he's much less likely to try and screw you over. i used to work for some small firms, certainly enjoyed it. They also seem more difficult to break into. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:32:37 PM EDT
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my employees are my business, screwing them would screw myself. we have to compete against illegal aliens and companies that employ them with the help of a government that protects them.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:34:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you should start your own company. This I am being serious. I have no idea what your company does, but if you feel like your current employer is not doing a good job being an employer, get enough of your fellow employees together and start your own firm to compete with them. Screw unions, you don't need them, it's still a free enough country, just put a business plan together, invite your peers to join you, voluntarily walk out, and beat your current employer at whatever it he does. While I don't support government involvement in voluntary relationships like unions do, I fully support employees "organizing" to improve their own lives. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:36:04 PM EDT
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Sounds like you should start your own company. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i used to work for some small firms, certainly enjoyed it. They also seem more difficult to break into. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Depends on the industry and the supply of labor vs demand. In my area, if you're a programmer you can just about name your price. Having worked for both I will say that working for a (well run) small company is so much better. When the boss has to actually look you in the eye every day he's much less likely to try and screw you over. i used to work for some small firms, certainly enjoyed it. They also seem more difficult to break into. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like you should start your own company. This I am being serious. I have no idea what your company does, but if you feel like your current employer is not doing a good job being an employer, get enough of your fellow employees together and start your own firm to compete with them. Screw unions, you don't need them, it's still a free enough country, just put a business plan together, invite your peers to join you, voluntarily walk out, and beat your current employer at whatever it he does.  |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:39:44 PM EDT
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If you think getting pushed around by big corporations is bad....... just wait till you get pushed around by the Union !
Unions goal is to get as much $ out of you as possible, you are Cattle that poops $. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like you should start your own company. This I am being serious. I have no idea what your company does, but if you feel like your current employer is not doing a good job being an employer, get enough of your fellow employees together and start your own firm to compete with them. Screw unions, you don't need them, it's still a free enough country, just put a business plan together, invite your peers to join you, voluntarily walk out, and beat your current employer at whatever it he does. In right to work states (Florida is one), employee non-competes are very tough, if not impossible to enforce. Even if they have one, get a lawyer to look it over, a lot of them are worthless. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:44:06 PM EDT
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I am salary......we was told that we are paid for 50 hour work week. I asked when did they make that adjustment and got the stink eye. Another big company.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:45:45 PM EDT
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There's nothing wrong with workers forming a union, but the undue political clout they have now is fucking ridiculous and a direct result of democrats effecting a political takeover of the country. So is the "times are tough, you're lucky to have this job" bit. Let's hear it for serfdom, courtesy of the DNC
Please, with about 7% of the non govt [read private] industry being union and 93% not, the above is total horse shit and I'm no union pusher. And private sector union political "clout" disappeared decades ago.Anyone in a union ought to realize the only time some democrat comes sniffing around is when they think there may be a check in it for them, other then that, they don't give a flying fvck about unions. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:46:07 PM EDT
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I am salary......we was told that we are paid for 50 hour work week. I asked when did they make that adjustment and got the stink eye. Another big company. we were told our std workweek is >40 hours, while its not mandatory it is expected. and if you dont do it, your on the shit list with management and come performance evals.... |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:55:21 PM EDT
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With unions, the cure is worse than the disease.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:58:49 PM EDT
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Vote with your feet. If there is a warm body ready to replace you at the drop of a hat, you probably WERE getting paid what you are worth. If not, your boss may stop you at the door and want to talk it out.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:04:27 PM EDT
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Sounds like you should start your own company. Become what you hate. We all do in the end. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:06:04 PM EDT
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My school went from 15% union to 80% union in one year. And it wasn't due to political pressures or benefits - sometimes shitty bosses exist and do nothing but spread their cancer.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:06:08 PM EDT
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wtf.
When did Monday become the communist news hour on Arfcom?
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job. Nobody is forced to join a union just to hold a job. Don't want to join a union, don't try to get a job in a union shop. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:09:41 PM EDT
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Sounds like you should start your own company. Or get some skills and get a better job. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job. Nobody is forced to join a union just to hold a job. Don't want to join a union, don't try to get a job in a union shop. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:11:41 PM EDT
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The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job. Nobody is forced to join a union just to hold a job. Don't want to join a union, don't try to get a job in a union shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody is forced to join a union just to hold a job. Don't want to join a union, don't try to get a job in a union shop. Trust me, I wouldn't think of it. You have at it. And enjoy your giant lunch pale.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:16:33 PM EDT
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I havent worked very long...or hard, but im very bitter towards large companies. Perhaps its the industry (dependent on govt spending primarily), contract style, technical / engineering work. Every 4 years the contract goes up for bid and a new, motivated company swoons in and tells us how great they are. The new company tells us how weve got to get "lean" and stay "competitive" to keep getting new work. all the way up until the last day of the contract most folks dont know who stays or goes, then on the weekend a phone call and an email... please return offer in 24 hours. offer is a slight pay cut and less vacation, sweet, times are tough, your just lucky to have a job they say. At the onset the company introduced us as all overpaid and that there are thousands of people just waiting to take our jobs. The next blow is benefits enrollments, year over year, coverage gets worse and employee contribution goes up. The company tells us, your just soo overcompensated and need to bring you in to meet industry standards. Well, F that! just because you pulled some comps for god knows what, doesnt mean were over paid or our benefits are out of line. weak rant, but dam, I know why unions were formed back in the day.... the big contractors are in a cartel on lowering compensation across the country. Even if you leave one, the next one treats you the same way...maybe not at first, but they are all cutting back with a smile. Sounds like you are hourly? What is the most hours you have worked in a week? What is the most hours you have worked in a shift? How do you get promoted? certs? merit? competitive? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:19:55 PM EDT
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Vote with your feet. If there is a warm body ready to replace you at the drop of a hat, you probably WERE getting paid what you are worth. If not, your boss may stop you at the door and want to talk it out. This. I was ready to leave, and word was getting around. We just had our performance reviews. My boss literally apologized for underestimating me, and put me in for a 15% pay raise. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:22:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Tired of your employer pushing you around, you are justified to look for other employ.
Their business, their rules. Unions are for socialists. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:28:45 PM EDT
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Your problem is your company is competing with other companies for a share of the ever decreasing govt contract pie. More companies are bidding on available work and driving the labor price down. I've seen it a dozen times... New company underbids the existing company and tells the current 'position holders' they will have to take a pay cut if they still want the job. I hate to say it but this is the free market at work. Until the companies cannot find qualified applicants at the prices they are willing to pay, wages will continue to fall. You may well be worth every penny you are being paid, but until you can't be replaced with a cheaper alternative, you will be faced with these cuts. Start your own company and bid on the contracts yourself. You keep the overhead, but also get the headaches.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:29:42 PM EDT
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I firmly believe in the right of people to freely assemble and associate, and form labor unions.
However, I also firmly believe in the right of business owners to to freely assemble and associate, and refuse to employ people associated with labor unions. When the government steps in and protects one over the other, it has stepped too far. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:30:29 PM EDT
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Unions in the private sector wouldn't be so bad.... if they didn't have force of government behind them.
Remove the .gov forcing businesses to negotiate and give concessions, and unions would have a lot less power, but would still be able to represent the interests of their members. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:46:57 PM EDT
[#36]
hate big companies.....
thing is, you will know within short order what kind of place you're at....probably around end of year 2... most of these places have gotten big by leveraging the employees not wanting to change jobs... and yes...i know |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:47:30 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tired of your employer pushing you around, you are justified to look for other employ. Their business, their rules. Unions are for socialists. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:52:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: I havent worked very long...or hard, but im very bitter towards large companies. Perhaps its the industry (dependent on govt spending primarily), contract style, technical / engineering work. Every 4 years the contract goes up for bid and a new, motivated company swoons in and tells us how great they are. The new company tells us how weve got to get "lean" and stay "competitive" to keep getting new work. all the way up until the last day of the contract most folks dont know who stays or goes, then on the weekend a phone call and an email... please return offer in 24 hours. offer is a slight pay cut and less vacation, sweet, times are tough, your just lucky to have a job they say. At the onset the company introduced us as all overpaid and that there are thousands of people just waiting to take our jobs. The next blow is benefits enrollments, year over year, coverage gets worse and employee contribution goes up. The company tells us, your just soo overcompensated and need to bring you in to meet industry standards. Well, F that! just because you pulled some comps for god knows what, doesnt mean were over paid or our benefits are out of line. weak rant, but dam, I know why unions were formed back in the day.... the big contractors are in a cartel on lowering compensation across the country. Even if you leave one, the next one treats you the same way...maybe not at first, but they are all cutting back with a smile. Hello, and welcome to the republican party. Enjoy your stay. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:52:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The other big problem I have is mandatory union membership. No one should be forced to join a union just to hold a job. Nobody is forced to join a union just to hold a job. Don't want to join a union, don't try to get a job in a union shop. I've had the misfortune of working in 2 different union shops. Both places were union shops because of shitty management practices, they fully deserved to be union shops and I would feel sorry for anyone who would be forced to work for them without a union of some kind protecting them. I bailed as soon as I could from both places and probably won't make that mistake again. Unfortunately unions are sometimes a necessary evil. As far as I know unions don't get started at shops that are good to work for. My first job out of high school was in a non-union shop. Every couple years a couple people would try to get a union vote going. It never went anywhere. The place was great to work for, friendly, family-type environment, good benefits, everyone was treated pretty well, flexible hours within reason. But the pay was not that great. That was the only credible complaint. That company has grown quite a bit over the last 20+ years, still non-union, still don't really pay that well. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:53:00 PM EDT
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Some industries you have to be ready to walk at the drop of a hat. It takes some stones but, that is how you keep from getting shit on (too much).
ETA: We even have a name for it in my industry, we call it "keeping the wheels greased up". |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:54:29 PM EDT
[#41]
And your job is? Your educational background is?
Not enough info provided. I will say as a former member of 3 unions and non union now, there is good and bad on both sides. And if you go union remember it was your choice when your setting on a picket line for a year and a day drawing zip for money while the union leadership still get their full paycheck only to find out the company can now and will say by to you. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:57:22 PM EDT
[#42]
FPNI.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:01:19 PM EDT
[#43]
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Some industries you have to be ready to walk at the drop of a hat. It takes some stones but, that is how you keep from getting shit on (too much). ETA: We even have a name for it in my industry, we call it "keeping the wheels greased up". This. One of the reasons I maintain my own tools and work vehicle. Self contained and ready to roll, for whoever will cut the biggest check. Over 14 years I have probably gotten a combined $4-$5 an hour in raises. More then 4x that in pay increases by changing employers. You tend to be treated better too. When you are squared away, you are either viewed as 1. A valuable asset to the company 2. A potential competitor. Either way, they tend to want to keep you happy. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:02:04 PM EDT
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I will say as a former member of 3 unions and non union now, there is good and bad on both sides. Truth Except I was about 5 non union shops and 2 union shops. The games get played on both sides and bad management happens everywhere. I will say this though, I have never taken a pay cut at a union shop.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:05:59 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I havent worked very long...or hard, but im very bitter towards large companies. Perhaps its the industry (dependent on govt spending primarily), contract style, technical / engineering work. Every 4 years the contract goes up for bid and a new, motivated company swoons in and tells us how great they are. The new company tells us how weve got to get "lean" and stay "competitive" to keep getting new work. all the way up until the last day of the contract most folks dont know who stays or goes, then on the weekend a phone call and an email... please return offer in 24 hours. offer is a slight pay cut and less vacation, sweet, times are tough, your just lucky to have a job they say. At the onset the company introduced us as all overpaid and that there are thousands of people just waiting to take our jobs. The next blow is benefits enrollments, year over year, coverage gets worse and employee contribution goes up. The company tells us, your just soo overcompensated and need to bring you in to meet industry standards. Well, F that! just because you pulled some comps for god knows what, doesnt mean were over paid or our benefits are out of line. weak rant, but dam, I know why unions were formed back in the day.... the big contractors are in a cartel on lowering compensation across the country. Even if you leave one, the next one treats you the same way...maybe not at first, but they are all cutting back with a smile. So quit. Prove them wrong. Find a better job. Deprive them of your labor. If you are that important, it is your most powerful asset. OR Start a company. Crybabies are everywhere. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:10:06 PM EDT
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Bad economy means few jobs available which places the company in control. If the economy was booming and there was a large demand for good skilled labor then the worker is in control.
I worked for a company that thought nothing of 8 hour days, 7 days a week for three months straight. Didn't like it? Leave. Thought you deserved more money? Leave. The company had an endless supply of workers from temp agency. Then the company started getting some major contracts and soon found that they could not keep up with the schedule. To much time was lost retraining new temps every week or two. The company finally realized the value of trained, expierenced workers and made some big changes to keep them. Weekend shifts cut the 7 day week, better pay, improved benefits, and the owner's attitude improved as well. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:11:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if you go union remember it was your choice when your setting on a picket line for a year and a day drawing zip for money while the union leadership still get their full paycheck only to find out the company can now and will say by to you. One of the union shops I worked at had gone on strike before I worked there. They struck because of an increase in medical insurance costs. They were on strike for 6 months or so and finally gave in. One of the quality inspectors had done the math and tried to talk the union out of striking. The increase worked out to about 0.05¢/hr. The union rep (not the shop steward) pushed hard for the strike and got it. From what I was told he did not show up on the picket line once, what a POS. I had to deal with that waste of skin a couple times. He fucked the workers worse than management was. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:12:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree but you are going to be loved tenderly in this thread. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:19:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I firmly believe in the right of people to freely assemble and associate, and form labor unions. However, I also firmly believe in the right of business owners to to freely assemble and associate, and refuse to employ people associated with labor unions. When the government steps in and protects one over the other, it has stepped too far. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:19:29 PM EDT
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we were told our std workweek is >40 hours, while its not mandatory it is expected. and if you dont do it, your on the shit list with management and come performance evals.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am salary......we was told that we are paid for 50 hour work week. I asked when did they make that adjustment and got the stink eye. Another big company. we were told our std workweek is >40 hours, while its not mandatory it is expected. and if you dont do it, your on the shit list with management and come performance evals.... 
Why don't you leave? |
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