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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The motor bandits of the early 30's bear more blame. Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Floyd, Nelson, etc. Chopped BAR's, sawed off shotguns, full auto 1911's and Thompsons quickly outgunned the police. No, you can blame Jim Crow Laws after the Civil War and the want to disarm free blacks and the Sullivan Act of 1911 in NYC.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:48:45 AM EDT
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Nah, I'd rather blame the government. This^ Capone was a bad man, but will never be as bad as professional criminals in Washington DC. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:54:20 AM EDT
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Nah, most the Anti-Gun Laws can be traced back to the Jim Crows Laws after The Civil War-War Between the States- War of Northern Aggression..... Or whatever you want to call it....... 
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If government infringement upon or 2nd amendment rights were kicked off, for the most part, by the St. Valentine's massacre, then it seems Mr. Capone should bear some responsibility for the days we're living in. As a reminder, the massacre occurred in 1929. The National Firearms Act took effect in 1934. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
The War for Southern Independence! |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:55:39 AM EDT
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We can thank mindless drones that want to give up liberty for the illusion of safety and the tyrants willing to carry it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:56:36 AM EDT
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Machine guns are illegal because alcohol used to be illegal. NFA should had gone away with prohabition. NFA was actually passed after prohibition ended. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 1:57:09 AM EDT
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Congress->prohibition->gangsters->Congress
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Posted: 10/26/2014 2:01:55 AM EDT
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NFA was actually passed after prohibition ended. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Machine guns are illegal because alcohol used to be illegal. NFA should had gone away with prohabition. NFA was actually passed after prohibition ended. They sold it as a "tax revenue" measure, that is the only reason it is "legal".... |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 2:29:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Lots of Laws Start out as Local/ State Ones before they Spread to the Feds...... 
With so many examples you've given, you've explained the point you were trying to make perfectly. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 2:34:12 AM EDT
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We can thank mindless drones that want to give up liberty for the illusion of safety and the tyrants willing to carry it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women Slowly backs away while smirking. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 8:36:22 AM EDT
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You can thank Hollywood for the NFA.
There were a hundred times more "acts of violence" committed with machine guns on Hollywood sets than were ever committed by criminals. The mass propaganda organ of the day stampeded the people and Congress enacted the NFA. The propaganda machine worked so well that 80 years later people still believe that there were large numbers of criminals using automatic weapons in the 1930s. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 8:55:20 AM EDT
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I think I will be first to post that, no, you can thank the media and their sensationalized reporting of the Prohibition-era violence. THAT was what planted the seed in the minds of your average American to support NFA '34. Fast forward to today and the media is doing the exact same thing to demonize "assault" weapons, concealed carry/self-defense laws, etc.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:03:32 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:08:40 AM EDT
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Nah, I'd rather blame the government. FPNI. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:25:13 AM EDT
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The motor bandits of the early 30's bear more blame. Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Floyd, Nelson, etc. Chopped BAR's, sawed off shotguns, full auto 1911's and Thompsons quickly outgunned the police. Wasn't Bonnie & Clyde's good stuff stolen from a Nat Guard armory? A hacksaw will get you all the sawed off shotguns and SBRs you want. True. But in general, they were high profile examples of criminals suddenly out gunning the cops. Gangland violence was one thing, but these guys were shooting it out with small town cops in middle America. I think it served to scare the public and stigmatize those types of weapons. The libs didn't let the "crisis" go to waste. 
Yes, they did. http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/nra-supported-nfa34.htm concerning the NRA.., Negotiable Rights Association just my OPINION !! |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 9:41:28 AM EDT
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I'd say we can thank the naive busy bodies who passed prohibition. This is the acorn from which organized crime grew into a mighty oak. An attempt go legislate motality created an unintended monster. This led more legislation and so on and so forth. I still say the ultimate blame lies with politicians elected to uphold the Constitution not gut it. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:04:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NFA was actually passed after prohibition ended. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Machine guns are illegal because alcohol used to be illegal. NFA should had gone away with prohabition. NFA was actually passed after prohibition ended. Those out of work Prohibition Agents needed a job.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:09:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols with a forward vertical grip was ruled a no no by the ATF much later. The ATF wasn't around back then. Makes zero sense as 1927A5's are still allowed to have them last I knew. As for silencers, I don't know for sure but my guess is it was due to poaching game during the depression. ETA : pic of 1907 that can most likely trace it's ancestry to Lebman. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/BillMorganCubanburpgun_zpsa83b4564.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The motor bandits of the early 30's bear more blame. Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Floyd, Nelson, etc. Chopped BAR's, sawed off shotguns, full auto 1911's and Thompsons quickly outgunned the police. Wasn't Bonnie & Clyde's good stuff stolen from a Nat Guard armory? A hacksaw will get you all the sawed off shotguns and SBRs you want. Yes some of it, as to the others I don't know probably got them by any means they could. Lebman made some interesting stuff for some gangsters of that era. I agree it makes zero sense thinking a career criminal is going to give a shit how long the barrel on his firearm is. I blame media sensationalism and politicians. How many of those motor bandits used silencers? Lebman's 1911's had pistol grips on them. I always assumed that was the reason for that part of the NFA, but I could be wrong. That's a great point about silencers. Why caused them to be included? Pistols with a forward vertical grip was ruled a no no by the ATF much later. The ATF wasn't around back then. Makes zero sense as 1927A5's are still allowed to have them last I knew. As for silencers, I don't know for sure but my guess is it was due to poaching game during the depression. ETA : pic of 1907 that can most likely trace it's ancestry to Lebman. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/BillMorganCubanburpgun_zpsa83b4564.jpg He helped and supported Castro as a member of Second National Front of Escambray. He actually fought beside Che and helped capture Santa Clara. He was later executed by Castro and Che for being an anti communist after the takeover of Cuba. He along with the other members of the SNFE were pro democracy and used by the Marxist as pawns.
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