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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:37:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Good shotgun? Pure and incredible lockwork....
Double guns are like watches....they are amazingly intricate. Too, regulating the barrels properly takes high dollar tooling and skill.... |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:39:09 PM EDT
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I didn't understand it until I shot a silver pigeon. Now shooting clays with an 870 makes me feel........
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:41:10 PM EDT
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I know someone that has a nice O/U that i'm jealous of, but can't bring myself to spend the cash to get one like it.
it's just a really, really nicely built, solid shotgun. very well finished. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:44:43 PM EDT
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My dad has a 12 and a 20 OU, they are magnificent. My 9 year old was fucking up clays with the 20 like they were tied to the end of the barrel
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:49:03 PM EDT
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Yeah, fire a pump/auto versus a middlin' decent O/U and you will instantly see why.
I was shooting a 28 gauge 'made' specifically for trap/skeet. I went 100% for the 5-6 rounds through it and all but 1-2 were doubles. It was like a mouse, point and click. And this one wasn't even sized for me. In that moment I instantly understood why they were so expensive as I had wondered the same. Academy has a $400 O/U doens't it? My FIL got one in 12. Tried to get him to go 20 citing the above as reason why he would hit just as much. Nope, he went with 12. And that extra recoil is just enough to throw him off picking up that second pigeon. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:51:55 PM EDT
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Accuracy? No
Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:53:38 PM EDT
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There are some really good Japanese OU's that you can often find well under a grand.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:53:54 PM EDT
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Also:
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:57:51 PM EDT
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The difference is like buying a suit at Men's Wearhouse and having a suit hand tailored.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:59:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:01:49 PM EDT
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I didn't understand it until I shot a silver pigeon. Now shooting clays with an 870 makes me feel........ Nothing. It makes us feel nothing. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:02:04 PM EDT
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Uh huh, is that why I put over 250,000 rounds through my Franchi Alcione and sold it for what I paid for it 10 years later? You are paying for quality and durability. You pay extra for fancy engraving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes That must have taken forever shooting 2 at a time. 
A good semi-auto is worth $1000. A 2-shotter?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:05:42 PM EDT
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IIRC, a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport is $3.5 Million new. And it doesn't do anything a Smart Car doesn't do too
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:06:14 PM EDT
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Google "Purdey shotguns" if you want to see real coin. Think more than a house.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:10:12 PM EDT
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Uh huh, is that why I put over 250,000 rounds through my Franchi Alcione and sold it for what I paid for it 10 years later? You are paying for quality and durability. You pay extra for fancy engraving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes 500 shotgun rounds a week for ten years. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:17:17 PM EDT
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Google "Purdey shotguns" if you want to see real coin. Think more than a house. Beautiful guns, I've actually shot one. But are they worth 300k, only if someone's willing to pay it. Which thankfully for the shop I work at people are. In reality with higher end guns you get better lockup, longer life before the lockup starts to break down. Back boring, interchangeable chokes, manual safety, many have mechanical Triggers. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:17:35 PM EDT
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A friend let me shoot an O/U one time at clays, very nice.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:18:32 PM EDT
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That must have taken forever shooting 2 at a time.
A good semi-auto is worth $1000. A 2-shotter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes That must have taken forever shooting 2 at a time.
A good semi-auto is worth $1000. A 2-shotter? A good semi auto costs quite a bit more than $1k if you plan on buying one that fits you and then shooting any appreciable volume of shells through it. I shoot about 20k rounds a year in sporting clays, 5 stand and FITASC. I depend on a shotgun tnat fits me, shoots where I look and will go Bang when I need it to. You can't get that without spending some coin. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:19:07 PM EDT
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There are some really good Japanese OU's that you can often find well under a grand. If you can find a basic Classic Doubles 101 that's a great shotgun for under a grand. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:19:58 PM EDT
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you are paying for the chance to be like your vice presidick
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:21:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:21:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI shot in a squad behind Digweed at the World English several years ago. He is a phenominal shot. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:23:57 PM EDT
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes 500 shotgun rounds a week for ten years. Two at a time. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:26:14 PM EDT
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If one wanted to purchase one of these beasts for about 2500$ what brand/model would one look for?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If one wanted to purchase one of these beasts for about 2500$ what brand/model would one look for? I'm a Browning fan, but my Citori only cost $1600.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:34:35 PM EDT
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes Who needs one when you can get a Mossberg Chainsaw?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:35:28 PM EDT
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes 500 shotgun rounds a week for ten years. Two at a time. That really isn't unreasonable. Skeet, trap, and sporting clays are one or two shot disciplines in general. Also, handle a cheapo $400 O/U and then a relatively inexpensive Citori or 686 and the difference is amazing, and the latter two aren't high end shotguns. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:37:03 PM EDT
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If one wanted to purchase one of these beasts for about 2500$ what brand/model would one look for? The Beretta silver pigeon is probably the best bet at $2K. I shoot that and a SV10 pervail. Both are great guns for the price |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:48:28 PM EDT
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Who needs one when you can get a Mossberg Chainsaw?
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Accuracy? No Durability? No Reliability? No Fancy carvings on the stock? Yes Who needs one when you can get a Mossberg Chainsaw?
I regularly win skeet and trap competitions with my Mossberg Chainsaw while shooting from the hip. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:50:22 PM EDT
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My 2 cents:
I shoot a Beretta Silver Pigeon Sporting. Cost about $2,000. It's really well balanced and light weight even with 32 inch barrels. Backbored, extra long forcing cones, long choke tubes etc. all these things help to keep the pellets from being compressed and deformed as they leave the chamber and enter the barrel then exit the choke tube. This leads to decreased recoil and better pattern with less fliers. Spending more money will increase this a bit and add durability but mostly you will be paying for higher grade wood, more intricate lock work, more hand fitting and hand engraving. I think for $2k you get a top notch over under and the next step up is in the 8-10k range and then above that it is the wood and engraving. Side by sides are a bit more complex so the price is roughly double for similar quality. 4k for a nice Merkel etc. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:53:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Yesterdays technology at tomorrows prices.
A nice semi-auto shotgun is better period. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:55:09 PM EDT
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The Beretta silver pigeon is probably the best bet at $2K. I shoot that and a SV10 pervail. Both are great guns for the price Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If one wanted to purchase one of these beasts for about 2500$ what brand/model would one look for? The Beretta silver pigeon is probably the best bet at $2K. I shoot that and a SV10 pervail. Both are great guns for the price The right answer is whichever gun FITS YOU the best. I would also take a look at the browning 725 |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:58:58 PM EDT
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Yesterdays technology at tomorrows prices. A nice semi-auto shotgun is better period. I haven't been on here much today, but you win the "stupid statement of the day" award! |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:59:38 PM EDT
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Yesterdays technology at tomorrows prices. A nice semi-auto shotgun is better period. Trollololololololololol |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:01:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:07:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Take the same shooter.
Have him shoot a $2,000 O/U and a nicely setup Benelli(semi). I sincerely doubt the results of his shooting will be significantly different. The only difference is with the Benelli (semi) he'll be able to lay down some lead if he chooses... So he could try to throw and shoot 5 or 6 clays out of the air if he has the talent. Try that with a O/U. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:11:17 PM EDT
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Take the same shooter. Have him shoot a $2,000 O/U and a nicely setup Benelli(semi). I sincerely doubt the results of his shooting will be significantly different. The only difference is with the Benelli (semi) he'll be able to lay down some lead if he chooses... So he could try to throw and shoot 5 or 6 clays out of the air if he has the talent. Try that with a O/U. Or have him shoot a up close clay and a far clay, then the benefit of the o/u become apparent. Different guns for different uses |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:15:02 PM EDT
[#38]
David McKay Brown laughs at you.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:16:29 PM EDT
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What specifically makes an O/U cost more that other types of actions is the extra barrel and the hand fitting required to make the two barrels shoot to the same point of impact.
Beyond that, since manufacturers know the average consumer is not going to fork over the cash for these features, and they are tailored to the high end market, they might as well add in higher quality wood and engraving. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:16:41 PM EDT
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I didn't understand it until I shot a silver pigeon. Now shooting clays with an 870 makes me feel........ I wish I'd never handled or shot a Beretta. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:16:52 PM EDT
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I know this is a little off topic, but I had often wondered what a really expensive shotgun had to offer..
One year at the SHOT Show, we looked at a set of four double barreled Over-Under shotguns from Perazzi. The entire set cost $400,000. One 12 gauge, one 20, one 28, and one .410. They had wood so beautiful it was almost unbelievable. I picked up the 20 gauge and threw it to my shoulder. I simply cannot explain how wonderful it fit. I joked to my buddy, "How could you miss a quail with such a shotgun?" If money was no object, they would definitely be worth the money. Found the pics: 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:18:35 PM EDT
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Driving through mid ohio and pulled in at a little gun shop that looked like a hole in the wall joint, walked in too $20,000 shotguns. From what I seen you boght the guns piece by piece for exact fit, not my cup of tea but still neat to look at.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:19:06 PM EDT
[#43]
This.
Factory double release on a my k80. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take the same shooter. Have him shoot a $2,000 O/U and a nicely setup Benelli(semi). I sincerely doubt the results of his shooting will be significantly different. The only difference is with the Benelli (semi) he'll be able to lay down some lead if he chooses... So he could try to throw and shoot 5 or 6 clays out of the air if he has the talent. Try that with a O/U. In a sport where you only get two shots an O/U with choke of choice is going to be the superior choice. If all you want to do is "lay down lead" well then - that's a different type of shooter. Different shotguns for different purposes.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:20:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:21:18 PM EDT
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Take the same shooter. Have him shoot a $2,000 O/U and a nicely setup Benelli(semi). I sincerely doubt the results of his shooting will be significantly different. The only difference is with the Benelli (semi) he'll be able to lay down some lead if he chooses... So he could try to throw and shoot 5 or 6 clays out of the air if he has the talent. Try that with a O/U. No. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:22:21 PM EDT
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The stocks are polished by the pussy lips of Italian virgins.
ETA: I've been to the Beretta Gallery in Milan several times. They have guns there where the stock is not only unfinished, but raw uncarved wood beyond the fitment to the receiver. They guy fits the gun to the buyer, carves the stock, and after a few fittings you go home with it (after the pussy lip polish of course). The craftsmanship is stunning. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:23:13 PM EDT
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I have HEARD that they are built so the barrels have the same POI (IOW each bore axis is not completely parallel with the other), but I have no idea if true.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:23:31 PM EDT
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Regulating two barrels, and making the Lockwork not fall apart is hard than you think.
There is nowhere for recoil to go but back, so it has to be very robust. The proof is in the pudding. Cheap O/U's shoot themselves apart. There is a point of diminishing returns, but the ultra high end is indeed worth it to some people. You can get into a lightly used Beretta or Browning for $1000-$1400 and have it fitted to yourself for a little more, and enjoy the same features of much more expensive guns. I already have AR's and don't desire to own a bunch of them that I don't use. I don't have a nice O/U shotgun. But I'm buying one soon. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:24:03 PM EDT
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With few exceptions.
$1500-$2500 gets you a gun correctly indexed, a solid receiver expect it to go 100k to 150k rounds with no problems , good over all balance, and pleasing but minimalist aesthetics on the lower end guns. $2500-$4500 gets you a gun correctly indexed, a solid receiver, depending on the design some receivers can see 500k for multiple barrel sets with no issues, excellent to wand like balance, and pleasing aesthetics. Some of the higher end guns in that bracket the wood work and and receiver engraving are works of art. $4500-$16000 gets you all of the above and starts to branch out into the specialized custom competition guns and guns that are works of art. Some of the field guns in these categories have engraving that takes years to complete. The higher end mechanisms in this price are like fine watches. $16000-$100,000+ The locking mechanisms and craftsmanship goes beyond perfection. Smithing techniques that take lifetimes to perfect and years to produce a product are used. Specific engravers are commissioned to do the engraving. I have heard of some guns taking 10 years plus to engrave. |
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