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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:36:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:39:56 PM EDT
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Oo ya
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:40:41 PM EDT
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:41:01 PM EDT
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That's not so fast, I could have dodged it.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:41:59 PM EDT
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? The round is probably fake and was added in later. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:44:16 PM EDT
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it took a long time to pull that tigger. I would have unloaded about 90 25mm by the time he fired. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:48:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:56:03 PM EDT
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Yeah uh no.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:00:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:04:33 PM EDT
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Seems fake to me...
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:43:53 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but do you normally see sabot rounds traveling faster than a rifle bullet??
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:04:11 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but do you normally see sabot rounds traveling faster than a rifle bullet?? Yes, as one example the 105 mm APFSDS round had a muzzle velocity of 5,700 fps. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:25:06 PM EDT
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Yes, as one example the 105 mm APFSDS round had a muzzle velocity of 5,700 fps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but do you normally see sabot rounds traveling faster than a rifle bullet?? Yes, as one example the 105 mm APFSDS round had a muzzle velocity of 5,700 fps. I had to read our posts a few times.
I was asking if you could visually pick up a sabot round coming straight at you faster than a rifle bullet. I think. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:30:40 PM EDT
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My grandfather was run over by a tank in WWII.
One tread crushed his lower leg pretty good. He managed a purple heart and a trip home out of that one. I remember finding it in my grandmothers hope chest as a kid along with a handful of "trophies" from Japanese soldiers. He told me the story about the purple heart but never the stories about the trophies. RIP Grandpa |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:31:44 PM EDT
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? Ballistics apply to big guns too. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:34:18 PM EDT
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OUCH !!! That won't buff out.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:40:12 PM EDT
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My grandfather was run over by a tank in WWII. One tread crushed his lower leg pretty good. He managed a purple heart and a trip home out of that one. I remember finding it in my grandmothers hope chest as a kid along with a handful of "trophies" from Japanese soldiers. He told me the story about the purple heart but never the stories about the trophies. RIP Grandpa What, ears, teeth? you just can't say trophies and just leave us hanging. What did you find, his leg? Now that just doesn't make sense now that I re-read that.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:43:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:44:34 PM EDT
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Ballistics apply to big guns too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? Ballistics apply to big guns too. My CO2 bb gun shoots flatter and faster than that thing. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:53:20 PM EDT
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? It looks real to me. I've never been on the recieving end, but I've been on the other end, many times. When we shoot them, they appear to go out laser straight. However, the downward movement may have been an optical illusion due to perspective? It almost looked as if it was a APFSDS and the Sabot had just begun separating? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:55:15 PM EDT
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I had to read our posts a few times.
I was asking if you could visually pick up a sabot round coming straight at you faster than a rifle bullet. I think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but do you normally see sabot rounds traveling faster than a rifle bullet?? Yes, as one example the 105 mm APFSDS round had a muzzle velocity of 5,700 fps. I had to read our posts a few times.
I was asking if you could visually pick up a sabot round coming straight at you faster than a rifle bullet. I think. Uh, yeah. No relative movement. You can certainly see them going down range. Can you see a jet fighter coming right at you when the closing speed is Mach 3? Yes, you can. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:56:36 PM EDT
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It looks real to me. I've never been on the recieving end, but I've been on the other end, many times. When we shoot them, they appear to go out laser straight. However, the downward movement may have been an optical illusion due to perspective? It almost looked as if it was a APFSDS and the Sabot had just begun separating? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? It looks real to me. I've never been on the recieving end, but I've been on the other end, many times. When we shoot them, they appear to go out laser straight. However, the downward movement may have been an optical illusion due to perspective? It almost looked as if it was a APFSDS and the Sabot had just begun separating? i pretty sure i remember this video from before. In the previous video the round impacted above the camera. I couldn't find a Russian tank round that looks like that, so yeah, i'm going with doctored. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:00:21 PM EDT
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i pretty sure i remember this video from before. In the previous video the round impacted above the camera. I couldn't find a Russian tank round that looks like that, so yeah, i'm going with doctored. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? It looks real to me. I've never been on the recieving end, but I've been on the other end, many times. When we shoot them, they appear to go out laser straight. However, the downward movement may have been an optical illusion due to perspective? It almost looked as if it was a APFSDS and the Sabot had just begun separating? i pretty sure i remember this video from before. In the previous video the round impacted above the camera. I couldn't find a Russian tank round that looks like that, so yeah, i'm going with doctored. Could be. The downward movement does look excessive, but I was ready to chalk it up to an optical illusion. If fake, it's pretty well done. i know one thing, an M1 could have lit him up threetimes, in the time it took to get off that one shot. Looking at it again, it sure looks real to me. Don't forget, that tank is zoomed in....further away than it looks. Heat Round. Much slower than a APFSDS. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:02:16 PM EDT
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Could be. The downward movement does look excessive, but I was ready to chalk it up to an optical illusion. If fake, it's pretty well done. i know one thing, an M1 could have lit him up threetimes, in the time it took to get off that one shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? It looks real to me. I've never been on the recieving end, but I've been on the other end, many times. When we shoot them, they appear to go out laser straight. However, the downward movement may have been an optical illusion due to perspective? It almost looked as if it was a APFSDS and the Sabot had just begun separating? i pretty sure i remember this video from before. In the previous video the round impacted above the camera. I couldn't find a Russian tank round that looks like that, so yeah, i'm going with doctored. Could be. The downward movement does look excessive, but I was ready to chalk it up to an optical illusion. If fake, it's pretty well done. i know one thing, an M1 could have lit him up threetimes, in the time it took to get off that one shot. No kidding, they fucking suck. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:06:37 PM EDT
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If fake, it's one of the best ones I've seen. Even better than the "Eagle pick up Child!!!"
You can even see the shockwave distortion coming off the fins. I would bet a Pmag it's real. Are those tanks smoothbore? Who do we call the the definitive answer? DocZox? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:06:47 PM EDT
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There was one hell of a zoom on that video. Best guess the tank was a half mile away.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:13:51 PM EDT
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What, ears, teeth? you just can't say trophies and just leave us hanging. What did you find, his leg? Now that just doesn't make sense now that I re-read that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My grandfather was run over by a tank in WWII. One tread crushed his lower leg pretty good. He managed a purple heart and a trip home out of that one. I remember finding it in my grandmothers hope chest as a kid along with a handful of "trophies" from Japanese soldiers. He told me the story about the purple heart but never the stories about the trophies. RIP Grandpa What, ears, teeth? you just can't say trophies and just leave us hanging. What did you find, his leg? Now that just doesn't make sense now that I re-read that. Lol no teeth or ears just swatches of cloth with medals still attached cut from japanese uniforms. No idea what they signified to the Japanese. One was 3 small stars together. Just looked it up, grandpa apparently bagged him a general. Maybe it was 2 stars its been a few years since I looked in the chest. The others were more "medals" Those are the ones that stick in my mind. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:28:20 PM EDT
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I remember seeing that on Arf a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, Israeli tank crew thought the camera of a news crew
was an anti-tank weapon, and fired. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:35:01 PM EDT
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I remember seeing that on Arf a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, Israeli tank crew thought the camera of a news crew was an anti-tank weapon, and fired. I believe that was a different video. the camera man was on a road with other vehicles around.. Let me go see if i can find it. I may be wrong but dont think it was as urban. ETA: Yup..
ETA 2: I think the vid in the OP is legit.. That's what? 125 mm rounds? I would bet looking straight down the barrel you would see that in flight. But i aint no expert and could be wrong as hell.. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:37:48 PM EDT
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I believe that was a different video. the camera man was on a road with other vehicles around.. Let me go see if i can find it. I may be wrong but dont think it was as urban. ETA: Yup..  http://youtu.be/vZysDAxun_8Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I remember seeing that on Arf a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, Israeli tank crew thought the camera of a news crew was an anti-tank weapon, and fired. I believe that was a different video. the camera man was on a road with other vehicles around.. Let me go see if i can find it. I may be wrong but dont think it was as urban. ETA: Yup.. http://youtu.be/vZysDAxun_8Whats up.. Im having a beer over at the crib I think the video is fake |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? The zoom on the camera makes it look weird. Not fake. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:56:04 PM EDT
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I can't sign in and watch, but I'll stand corrected.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:01:52 PM EDT
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I believe that was a different video. the camera man was on a road with other vehicles around.. Let me go see if i can find it. I may be wrong but dont think it was as urban. ETA: Yup.. http://youtu.be/vZysDAxun_8
ETA 2: I think the vid in the OP is legit.. That's what? 125 mm rounds? I would bet looking straight down the barrel you would see that in flight. But i aint no expert and could be wrong as hell.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I remember seeing that on Arf a couple years ago. If I recall correctly, Israeli tank crew thought the camera of a news crew was an anti-tank weapon, and fired. I believe that was a different video. the camera man was on a road with other vehicles around.. Let me go see if i can find it. I may be wrong but dont think it was as urban. ETA: Yup.. http://youtu.be/vZysDAxun_8
ETA 2: I think the vid in the OP is legit.. That's what? 125 mm rounds? I would bet looking straight down the barrel you would see that in flight. But i aint no expert and could be wrong as hell.. Woah. What was that? An air bursting shrapnel round? That wiped out a lot of people over a good distance. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:18:55 PM EDT
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If fake, it's one of the best ones I've seen. Even better than the "Eagle pick up Child!!!"
You can even see the shockwave distortion coming off the fins. I would bet a Pmag it's real. Are those tanks smoothbore? Who do we call the the definitive answer? DocZox? Looks like a T-72, which has a 125mm smoothbore. As someone else mentioned, that looked like a HEAT round. You can see what looks like a probe in front of the round, and I'm just guessing here, but our APFSDS rounds have only four fins, while our HEAT rounds have more. I'm assuming the Russians came to the same conclusion we did about stabilizing the round, and built theirs the same way for the same reasons. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 8:54:32 PM EDT
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Looks like a T-72, which has a 125mm smoothbore. As someone else mentioned, that looked like a HEAT round. You can see what looks like a probe in front of the round, and I'm just guessing here, but our APFSDS rounds have only four fins, while our HEAT rounds have more. I'm assuming the Russians came to the same conclusion we did about stabilizing the round, and built theirs the same way for the same reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If fake, it's one of the best ones I've seen. Even better than the "Eagle pick up Child!!!"
You can even see the shockwave distortion coming off the fins. I would bet a Pmag it's real. Are those tanks smoothbore? Who do we call the the definitive answer? DocZox? Looks like a T-72, which has a 125mm smoothbore. As someone else mentioned, that looked like a HEAT round. You can see what looks like a probe in front of the round, and I'm just guessing here, but our APFSDS rounds have only four fins, while our HEAT rounds have more. I'm assuming the Russians came to the same conclusion we did about stabilizing the round, and built theirs the same way for the same reasons. That was me. It's a Heat round and real imho. Did you see the Palistinian vid? What was that? beehive, or something more Hitech? We didnt have nothin like that back in '90.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:53:27 PM EDT
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Lol no teeth or ears just swatches of cloth with medals still attached cut from japanese uniforms. No idea what they signified to the Japanese. One was 3 small stars together. Just looked it up, grandpa apparently bagged him a general. Maybe it was 2 stars its been a few years since I looked in the chest. The others were more "medals" Those are the ones that stick in my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My grandfather was run over by a tank in WWII. One tread crushed his lower leg pretty good. He managed a purple heart and a trip home out of that one. I remember finding it in my grandmothers hope chest as a kid along with a handful of "trophies" from Japanese soldiers. He told me the story about the purple heart but never the stories about the trophies. RIP Grandpa What, ears, teeth? you just can't say trophies and just leave us hanging. What did you find, his leg? Now that just doesn't make sense now that I re-read that. Lol no teeth or ears just swatches of cloth with medals still attached cut from japanese uniforms. No idea what they signified to the Japanese. One was 3 small stars together. Just looked it up, grandpa apparently bagged him a general. Maybe it was 2 stars its been a few years since I looked in the chest. The others were more "medals" Those are the ones that stick in my mind. Why not photograph them, and put the photos on here, and find out what the fuck you have? |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:05:05 AM EDT
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That was me. It's a Heat round and real imho. Did you see the Palistinian vid? What was that? beehive, or something more Hitech? We didnt have nothin like that back in '90.
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If fake, it's one of the best ones I've seen. Even better than the "Eagle pick up Child!!!"
You can even see the shockwave distortion coming off the fins. I would bet a Pmag it's real. Are those tanks smoothbore? Who do we call the the definitive answer? DocZox? Looks like a T-72, which has a 125mm smoothbore. As someone else mentioned, that looked like a HEAT round. You can see what looks like a probe in front of the round, and I'm just guessing here, but our APFSDS rounds have only four fins, while our HEAT rounds have more. I'm assuming the Russians came to the same conclusion we did about stabilizing the round, and built theirs the same way for the same reasons. That was me. It's a Heat round and real imho. Did you see the Palistinian vid? What was that? beehive, or something more Hitech? We didnt have nothin like that back in '90.
Honestly, I don't know. If it was a Merkava with the 120mm main gun, they must be using an Israeli made "beehive" APERS round of some sort that has a fuze that can be set by the loader before he loads the round into the chamber of the main gun. That was a bursting charge that disbursed the payload (balls or flechettes) at a set range and killed the cameraman. We currently use a canister round called the M1028, but it's literally a giant shotgun round with 10 mm-sized tungsten balls that begin disbursing just as soon as they leave the muzzle. This was something different (like the old 105mm beehive round we used to use in the M60 series (and later M1) MBTs. |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:27:54 AM EDT
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Looks like one of these (or something of a similar design). They go ~900m/s.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:32:06 AM EDT
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See the trajectory on that round? Was that normal? gravity how does that work? |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:42:18 AM EDT
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I had to read our posts a few times.
I was asking if you could visually pick up a sabot round coming straight at you faster than a rifle bullet. I think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not trying to be that guy, but do you normally see sabot rounds traveling faster than a rifle bullet?? Yes, as one example the 105 mm APFSDS round had a muzzle velocity of 5,700 fps. I had to read our posts a few times.
I was asking if you could visually pick up a sabot round coming straight at you faster than a rifle bullet. I think. My bad, I see that now 
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