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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:38:06 AM EDT
Started this to remove the purse fighting in this thread
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1633086_Al_Qaeda_fighters_take_control_of_Mosul_in_northern_Iraq.html&page=104&anc=50034644#i50034644 (hope it will work) |
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If it would move them moderate, why not?
A moderate Iran would be a great ally, and could possibly spell a new era of middle-east relations. The Saudis would have a fit though. I don't think Israel would care. They have been in bed with Iran a few times already. |
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This thread needs a poll.
And the answer is that is a fucking retarded idea. |
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You don't have to be someone's ally to work with them.
It would be good to establish more formal diplomatic ties through joint military action. |
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If it would move them moderate, why not? A moderate Iran would be a great ally, and could possibly spell a new era of middle-east relations. The Saudis would have a fit though. I don't think Israel would care. They have been in bed with Iran a few times already. View Quote Dope stop smoking it. |
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How do you make the poll thingy? I have not been here long enough to learn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This thread needs a poll. And the answer is that is a fucking retarded idea. How do you make the poll thingy? I have not been here long enough to learn Go back to you original post and select the add poll option on the top right. |
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It would not, and if you think so, you are very naive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If it would move them moderate, why not? It would not, and if you think so, you are very naive. Have you been to Iran? Their society is pretty moderate. They are just ruled by a religious nut job minority. It's like as if a bunch of tea bagger snake-charming, lounge-speaking baptists took over the American Government. |
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Fuck no. If we are going to support anyone in that cluster, it should be Iraqi Kurdistan. Let ISIS and Iran slaughter each other.
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US Iran alliance? That's one way to redefine "friendly fire".
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If by "ally" you mean, "don't kill them while they're killing the enemy", then yes. Anything beyond that, no.
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We should arm Hezbollah, so that they can really put the hurt on ISIS.
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Why do so many Americans keep treating Iran as an enemy? And why (up until ISIL became an issue) were mainstream politicians so eager to start a war with Iran?
So far, the reasons war loving Americans have given are that: 1. Iran’s government might try using their nuclear power program to gather materials for the construction of nuclear weapons. 2. Iran’s government abuses human rights. These reasons are very weak. There is no evidence to suggest that Iran’s government is trying to construct nuclear weapons. Even if they were, the weapons are unlikely to be deliverable. Even if the weapons were deliverable, Russia (their ally) can already do this. Threats of invasion would only increase the Iranian government’s desire to acquire weapons to use in their defence. Although Iran’s government abuses human rights, the US government isn’t much better. In the US, there are draconian sentences handed down to people convicted by hick juries based on little or no evidence. In American prisons, lesser criminals are raped, beaten and killed by worse criminals. There are many people in Iran opposed to the bad things done by the Iranian government. I expect big improvements (due to popular movements) in Iran, over the next few decades. These movements are likely to be stifled if the US were to invade. |
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Should the the US ally with Iran to fight ISIS View Quote How about we let the fuckers kill each other and buy oil from whoever comes out on top until we can come up with a better source? If they don't want to sell we'll buy from someone else and they can eat sand. Anyone troubles an American anywhere in the world and we rain destruction and cruise missiles down on them. |
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maybe we can start with helping the kurds and see how that goes
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Why do so many Americans keep treating Iran as an enemy? And why (up until ISIL became an issue) were mainstream politicians so eager to start a war with Iran? So far, the reasons war loving Americans have given are that: 1. Iran’s government might try using their nuclear power program to gather materials for the construction of nuclear weapons. 2. Iran’s government abuses human rights. These reasons are very weak. There is no evidence to suggest that Iran’s government is trying to construct nuclear weapons. Even if they were, the weapons are unlikely to be deliverable. Even if the weapons were deliverable, Russia (their ally) can already do this. Threats of invasion would only increase the Iranian government’s desire to acquire weapons to use in their defence. Although Iran’s government abuses human rights, the US government isn’t much better. In the US, there are draconian sentences handed down to people convicted by hick juries based on little or no evidence. In American prisons, lesser criminals are raped, beaten and killed by worse criminals. There are many people in Iran opposed to the bad things done by the Iranian government. I expect big improvements (due to popular movements) in Iran, over the next few decades. These movements are likely to be stifled if the US were to invade. View Quote We need full disclosure on your point of view. |
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I say yes. But I do have some caveats.
Iran's Islamic republic is unapologetically anti-west. Idc what popular opinion of the west is in iran, and the ones in power there don't either. Its hard to align yourself with someone that hates you. That said, shia muslims by necessity are a progressive group. Theres a reason why, other than the rich gulf states, Iran is not living in the fucking stone age. On top of that, you don't have near the level of religious fanaticism in Iran as in other muslim countries. I'd equate it to America being controlled by ultrafundamentalist christians. Put another way, if it weren't for the imams, I'd rather ally with Iran than Iraq, a country crippled with sectarian strife. Iran is also pretty well self sufficient and would be able to pick up some of Iraq's slack, instead of leaving us footing the full bill. plus, persian chicks are hot. |
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Doesn't matter what I, or any of us think.
oblama gonna do the wrong thing, no matter what. |
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^^ This...the people of Iran (especially the government workers/members of the military) ARE terrorists. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hell no. ^^ This...the people of Iran (especially the government workers/members of the military) ARE terrorists. The people of the United States (especially the government workers/members of the military) are socialists just like Obama. |
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If we are willing to buddy up with the shitheads in Saudi Arabia, I don't see why it would be a huge stretch to buddy up with Iran.
The Iranian's aren't the suicidal nut bags that everyone makes them out to be, and their foreign policy reflects that. Iran is actually pretty moderate when compared to other Islamic countries—probably more moderate than Saudi Arabia, and we incessantly suck off the Saudis in spite of all their bullshit. In addition to that, Persian women are the most not guilty women in The Middle East/South East Asia If Iran and the US were on good terms, It's the only country in that part of the world that I'd ever want to visit. Pretty cool iranian picture thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351718 |
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We wouldn't need to ally with anyone if we actually wanted to to go over there and properly kick the ever loving shit out of them.
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