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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:05:52 PM EDT
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If you have been drinking you have no business on the roads, I'm OK with stiff DUI penalties.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:07:32 PM EDT
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I say yes. Driving is a privilege.
Not permanently. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have been drinking you have no business on the roads, I'm OK with stiff DUI penalties. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:10:38 PM EDT
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Dam laws are there so your village doesn't flood because of a bad contractor Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are plenty of dam laws. Why do we need more? "The more corrupt the regime, the more numerous the laws," Tacitus What happens to Illegals who are captured DUI? In California? We'll probably make you governor. It's a scam. Dam laws are there so your village doesn't flood because of a bad contractor He wants to fix crime with more laws for dumb out of staters to be tricked into adopting. I want to fix profanity with fewer letters. Because hip lazy 30 year drought is downsizing my flood 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:14:09 PM EDT
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Then make a law, no parking lots at any place that serves alcohol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have been drinking you have no business on the roads, I'm OK with stiff DUI penalties. Designated drivers work. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:15:03 PM EDT
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This, and do away with the stupid open container laws. As long as the driver isn't drinking it shouldn't matter if the passengers are, or if the seal is broken on a bottle in the back seat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd agree only if: 1. The alcohol limit raised back to 0.10 2. Rewrite laws so people don't get DUI's when sleeping in a car or stupid crap like riding a horse. This, and do away with the stupid open container laws. As long as the driver isn't drinking it shouldn't matter if the passengers are, or if the seal is broken on a bottle in the back seat. Even if the driver is drinking (within a reasonable amount) then why should it be illegal. Why is it okay for someone to drink 2 beers than immediately hop into a car, but if they sip on a beer while driving it's suddenly a danger to society.... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:17:18 PM EDT
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They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car and crush it. Fixed it for ya. I think it's France that does that. Get caught DUI, and it's Bye Bye, Renault! Drunk drivers suck. I hate 'em. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:18:22 PM EDT
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I knew a guy who got a DUI for sleeping in his car in the parking lot of a hotel. 
ETA: it was a party at the hotel, he didn't randomly pull into one while drunk. I know a person whose car broke down on the way back from the grocery. They called a tow truck and figured since they cox not drive they would crack open a beer from the groceries just purchased. Cop came along and arrested them for DUI. I believe the "D" in DUI stands for driving. How can you get a DUI if you are not and cannot drive your vehicle ? It's all about the money the police take in |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:19:08 PM EDT
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Fixed it for ya. I think it's France that does that. Get caught DUI, and it's Bye Bye, Renault! Drunk drivers suck. I hate 'em. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car and crush it. Fixed it for ya. I think it's France that does that. Get caught DUI, and it's Bye Bye, Renault! Drunk drivers suck. I hate 'em. Why would we want to do what the French do? 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two beers to have your license revoked? Fuck off... and they keep lowering the BAC limit... nope.gif |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:22:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Designated drivers work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you have been drinking you have no business on the roads, I'm OK with stiff DUI penalties. Designated drivers work. Zero tolerance is saying no amount of alcohol is safe. So technically a slice of bread could put you over the limit.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:24:07 PM EDT
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Did I make it in before the "shoot em on the side of the road" and "5 years in prison" crowd?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:25:46 PM EDT
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They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car for a year, then the DUI can buy it back as a fine. Or they'll buy a beater for a few hundred bucks... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:26:22 PM EDT
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I have done several wet labs where people get drunk for testing practice and have yet to see someone hit .08 with 2 drinks Not saying it couldn't happen just saying 99% of people caught DWI are full of shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two beers to have your license revoked? Fuck off... and they keep lowering the BAC limit... nope.gif I have done several wet labs where people get drunk for testing practice and have yet to see someone hit .08 with 2 drinks Not saying it couldn't happen just saying 99% of people caught DWI are full of shit I'm not the man I used to be. If I have two beers with dinner the wife drives home. I'm probably not at the limit, but I'm not sober. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:27:24 PM EDT
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Depends.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:28:10 PM EDT
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Really sick of the drunk driving laws in this country. It started with MADD bullshit like Moms against guns, beer, etc. Soon, it will be Moms against white Christian males. Moms need to stay in the fucking kitchen imo. Islam has a lot of things wrong, but it's got a few things right too. Now, if you hit someone and kill them while drunk then you should go straight to the electric chair, don't pass go, don't collect $200. Otherwise, stop arresting people for what might happen.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:31:00 PM EDT
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I'd suggest first offense, no loss of license but big fine with all money from the fine going to victims of drunk driving fund. 2nd offense within same time period... bigger fine and loss of license for a year. 3rd strike... you are out with jail time and loss of vehicle again to go to victim's fund.
Drunk driving is abused by so many people these days that it is crazy. I hate to be on the road after midnight because it seems every 2nd or 3rd car is swerving in and out of their lane. driving drunk is stupid and selfish and people who knowingly do that suck. I say drink all you want but use your brain and arrange for a ride. Maybe 1 out of 50 people who drink heavily actually do that. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:31:10 PM EDT
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Really sick of the drunk driving laws in this country. It started with MADD bullshit like Moms against guns, beer, etc. Soon, it will be Moms against white Christian males. Moms need to stay in the fucking kitchen imo. Islam has a lot of things wrong, but it's got a few things right too. Now, if you hit someone and kill them while drunk then you should go straight to the electric chair, don't pass go, don't collect $200. Otherwise, stop arresting people for what might happen. Meh, drunk drivers kill more people than people with guns, difference being most people that shoot other people are trying to hurt someone. IMO they should loosen the laws on shooting people and tighten the laws on DUI. Could be fun. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:32:22 PM EDT
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Alcoholism should be treated like any other illness. The driving privileges should be suspended, reduced, or engineering safeguards put in place until the individual recovers. Just taking away the DL based on an arbitrary limit set by political activists who's goal is prohibition is wrong and immoral.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:32:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:33:31 PM EDT
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I say yes. Driving is a privilege. Not permanently. Right to travel? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:33:40 PM EDT
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Impairment differs from person to person. Person A could drink 2 beers and be an impaired driver and person B could drink 6 or more and be at the same level of impairment as person A.
I think the law should be about the level of impairment and not what your BAL is. I remember reading a thread a while ago where there was a proposed law for something like this but I don't remember what state it was and can't find a link for it. Edit for a typo ETA found it http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/11/abolish-drunk-driving-laws |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:45:37 PM EDT
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What about people that crash out in the back seat?
I know a few that got DUIs because they had their keys in their pockets and therefore "had the ability" to drive it. Or a kid that had a few and wanted to sit on someones bike? (The keys were in the ignition and cops nailed the kid. Las Vegas cops were some real shit heals.) If pulled over? Nail the dip shits. If it's someone else's car, they can pay the impound fee as a reminder to be a little more discriminating about to whom they loan their car. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:48:35 PM EDT
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Why would we want to do what the French do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car and crush it. Fixed it for ya. I think it's France that does that. Get caught DUI, and it's Bye Bye, Renault! Drunk drivers suck. I hate 'em. Why would we want to do what the French do? We already do a lot of things that the French do. They're not my favorite folks, but they come up with a good idea every now and then. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:50:06 PM EDT
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Recidivism is the BIG problem, revocation of license does nothing to stop them. Neither does impoundment of their vehicle. Probation officers have their hands tied but I believe most can determine which ones are the greatest risk. A judge sees the defendant once or twice, the probation officer monthly. Interlocks are like impounding the vehicle. It won't stop them from drinking nor will it prevent them from driving another vehicle. Exactly. I'm not a fan of drunk driving, but it's a hard law to enforce without imposing on our freedoms. Texting while driving seems to be about as bad - and that's a slap on the wrist in many states. I had to testify as a witness 4 years ago in a DUI crash. Drunk killed 3 of his best friends and nearly took me out in the process. Almost felt bad for the guy when he was sentenced. 25 years. And that was reduced, as he plead guilty to all charges. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:50:12 PM EDT
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im good with a 6 month to 1 year suspension for first offense and maybe 5 year for a second. if you are an idiot and have a third offense make it a lifetime ban. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:59:51 PM EDT
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Texting while driving seems to be about as bad - and that's a slap on the wrist in many states. that's because they don't have as good a lobby as MADD does. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:59:53 PM EDT
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What would i call for if a drunk young girl just graduated, went to a
party, was coming home and had a head on collision with my son when he was heading to the party? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:02:07 PM EDT
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Maybe if Driver's Licenses didn't come out of a Cracker Jack box, then people wouldn't risk it to DUI. ETA: Look at Germany. You get one, and you're done, but it takes years of training, and several thousand dollars to get a license, so you're properly motivated not to drink and drive.  I don't look at socialist nations for legal philosophy. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:04:27 PM EDT
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You yank their license, they drive anyway. This. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:06:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Yes.
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Fuck up and lose your privilege. Cheers! -JC |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:09:47 PM EDT
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Recidivism is the BIG problem, revocation of license does nothing to stop them. Neither does impoundment of their vehicle. Probation officers have their hands tied but I believe most can determine which ones are the greatest risk. A judge sees the defendant once or twice, the probation officer monthly. Interlocks are like impounding the vehicle. It won't stop them from drinking nor will it prevent them from driving another vehicle. So whats the solution? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:10:27 PM EDT
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They drive anyway, in over 29 years in law enforcement I've only dealt with a few DUI 2nd offense or greater that still had a driver license. In Tennessee a second or subsequent DUI arrest can result in a seizure of the vehicle, it still doesn't stop them from driving.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:15:47 PM EDT
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Yes. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Fuck up and lose your privilege. Cheers! -JC Yup |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:18:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You yank their license, they drive anyway. Of course they do. But unlike when they still have a valid license, when they get pulled over the cops can tow their car and make them walk home if they don't have one -- instead of waving them on their way. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You yank their license, they drive anyway. This. Yeah, but that gives me a chance to randomly run their tags, observe them driving suspended, and stop them and give them another criminal citation.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:24:50 PM EDT
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Right to travel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say yes. Driving is a privilege. Not permanently. Right to travel? You can walk, right? 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:26:06 PM EDT
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So whats the solution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Recidivism is the BIG problem, revocation of license does nothing to stop them. Neither does impoundment of their vehicle. Probation officers have their hands tied but I believe most can determine which ones are the greatest risk. A judge sees the defendant once or twice, the probation officer monthly. Interlocks are like impounding the vehicle. It won't stop them from drinking nor will it prevent them from driving another vehicle. So whats the solution? Life in prison where they cant hurt anyone. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:27:43 PM EDT
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Most states already do license suspensions for DUI's.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:28:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You yank their license, they drive anyway. This. Yeah, but that gives me a chance to randomly run their tags, observe them driving suspended, and stop them and give them another criminal citation. How the hell do I know the owner has trouble on him and why would I care? Pulling a car with legit papers because the tagged owner has a bad license is over the line. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:28:28 PM EDT
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Yes. Too many innocent lives ruined because of drunks.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:34:22 PM EDT
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Yes. Too many innocent lives ruined because of drunks. Everybody knows someone... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:40:31 PM EDT
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No. Make them install the breathalyzer that keeps them from starting their car while drunk. Make them check in once a week to make sure they haven't disabled it. Then it's jail time if they're caught driving another car or bypassing it in some fashion. 1 year for your first offense, 3 for the second, 10 for the third. This is for non injury accident DUI.
For an injury accident DUI then they should be charged with whatever crime fits the level of the injury and damage. And no, I don't drink while driving. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew a guy who got a DUI for sleeping in his car in the parking lot of a hotel. ETA: it was a party at the hotel, he didn't randomly pull into one while drunk. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but that gives me a chance to randomly run their tags, observe them driving suspended, and stop them and give them another criminal citation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You yank their license, they drive anyway. This. Yeah, but that gives me a chance to randomly run their tags, observe them driving suspended, and stop them and give them another criminal citation. How the hell do I know the owner has trouble on him and why would I care? Pulling a car with legit papers because the tagged owner has a bad license is over the line. I can't do that anyway. My understanding is that if the driver is not the suspended person, the stop is over immediately, no questions, no search, no further contact. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:50:45 PM EDT
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You yank their license, they drive anyway. You make laws regarding who can legally enter and stay in the US and draw a border, and people come in and stay anyways. That doesn't mean you just fucking give up. There is no excuse for driving shitfaced on a public roadway. NONE. This isn't rocket science. If you know you're going to have to drive yourself home later, you don't drink. If you're not sure it's been long enough since you stopped drinking to drive - i.e. under the limit - , then don't drive. If you know you get shitfaced and do stupid things, then you either need to stop getting shitfaced or make sure someone else has your keys. This sort of thing is purely the result of irresponsible fucks who need to grow up and act like adults. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have done several wet labs where people get drunk for testing practice and have yet to see someone hit .08 with 2 drinks Not saying it couldn't happen just saying 99% of people caught DWI are full of shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two beers to have your license revoked? Fuck off... and they keep lowering the BAC limit... nope.gif I have done several wet labs where people get drunk for testing practice and have yet to see someone hit .08 with 2 drinks Not saying it couldn't happen just saying 99% of people caught DWI are full of shit |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:05:24 PM EDT
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Lic gets revoked here in WV
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:05:52 PM EDT
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We already do a lot of things that the French do. They're not my favorite folks, but they come up with a good idea every now and then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car and crush it. Fixed it for ya. I think it's France that does that. Get caught DUI, and it's Bye Bye, Renault! Drunk drivers suck. I hate 'em. Why would we want to do what the French do? We already do a lot of things that the French do. They're not my favorite folks, but they come up with a good idea every now and then. I'm not asking that we surrender to drunk drivers, just use our heads. We are not the French. Citing ridiculous, outlandish, barbaric foreign customs doesn't sway me. I don't have any faith in DUI enforcement, around here. I've heard too many stories from participants(big city off duty cops if you must know), to buy into the MADD hysteria. I don't really want to get into that. Cal DMV can call driving a privilege all it wants. I remain unconvinced. And yet, they have the power. Just for the record, my driving record is spotless. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:09:56 PM EDT
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You yank their license, they drive anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You yank their license, they drive anyway. Basically. Quoted:
They'll drive with or without a license. Take the car for a year, then the DUI can buy it back as a fine. We couldn't take the car unless it was registered to them, which it never was. |
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