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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:56:58 AM EDT
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Thanks, that looks like It would work for older stuff too. It looks similar to a French Charleville sling I saw at Brandywine Battlefield. What's the length between sling swivels on that rifle? That pattern of sling is definitely older - it was used back to the P'53 rifled muskets at the very least. Versions of it continued to be used on the early Lees, ending with the Pattern '14 leather sling as seen on some SMLE Mk. III rifles. I'm at work and away from the rifle now, but I'll measure the distance between the swivels for you when I get home. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:11:03 AM EDT
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Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. You just got out of high school, right? Do you even read? Kids these days, no imagination or appreciation of the past.... Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. You speak from experience or are you just talking out your ass? You seem to be confusing LARPing with historical reenacting. I have done everything from shooting blanks and black powder bazookas "playing war" doing WWII reenacting next to real armored vehicles. To shooting cowboy action and WWII theme 2-gun matches in period uniforms/gear with period correct weapons as well as SCA medieval armored combat with rattan instead of live steel. Rubber elf ears, foam swords and throwing bean bag "spells" at each other is not historical reenacting. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:13:40 AM EDT
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I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Good looking hawk man! I wish I had the nerve to try inlays on my handle like that. mine looks plain hehe. Here's the Hawk: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/IMAG0153_zps7c641cb4.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though...  The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Good looking hawk man! I wish I had the nerve to try inlays on my handle like that. mine looks plain hehe. Here's the Hawk: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/IMAG0153_zps7c641cb4.jpg Nice! Did you get that head from Track of the Wolf? I was considering doing a pipe hawk and was looking at one very similar. Nice finish on the wood! |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:16:04 AM EDT
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I saw smoke poles and weird weapons...
Take a look at the guys making knife and sword videos in youtube and you'll see why it isn't as cool as you think. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:20:15 AM EDT
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Yeah, you could say I have a "taste" for 18th century smokepoles... Or hand crafting them anyway...
 First gun I ever put together - Lyman Great Plains Rifle.  First Flintlock I ever whittled out.  Old Sharon Plains Rifle assembled for someone else...  |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:20:45 AM EDT
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No... Military style firearms have long been my primary interest in shooting. I appreciate other (wood stocked bolt guns, fine shotguns, blackpowder, stuff like that) firearms but military style guns have been my focus - and will remain so.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:25:22 AM EDT
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Yeah, you could say I have a "taste" for 18th century smokepoles... Or hand crafting them anyway... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_2369~0.JPG First gun I ever put together - Lyman Great Plains Rifle. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1120449.jpg First Flintlock I ever whittled out. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1010633.jpg Old Sharon Plains Rifle assembled for someone else... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_7704.jpg Wow you do some purdy work there! I was thinking of making my own but the inletting and barrel channel scraping part scares me, that and I have never tried to carve floral motifs either. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:29:44 AM EDT
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Not so much burned out as just not interested in buying anymore for now, but I am that way with semis.
Other than an M4 style AR15 and a semi-auto shotgun, I want to focus on good precision rifles and maybe another good revolver or two. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:30:15 AM EDT
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Nice! Did you get that head from Track of the Wolf? I was considering doing a pipe hawk and was looking at one very similar. Nice finish on the wood! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Good looking hawk man! I wish I had the nerve to try inlays on my handle like that. mine looks plain hehe. Here's the Hawk: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/IMAG0153_zps7c641cb4.jpg Nice! Did you get that head from Track of the Wolf? I was considering doing a pipe hawk and was looking at one very similar. Nice finish on the wood! Yeah the head was from track. I went ahead and tempered it and heat treated it after I worked out the edge and cleaned up the casting marks so I could use it. There is a trick with fancy maple I was taught years ago by a luthier which is to stain the wood first with black walnut stain and let it dry. You will then sand it all off and it leaves the figure black and the go over it with your stain and it makes the striping (figure) pop and gives the whole thing a weird 3D effect. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:32:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow you do some purdy work there! I was thinking of making my own but the inletting and barrel channel scraping part scares me, that and I have never tried to carve floral motifs either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, you could say I have a "taste" for 18th century smokepoles... Or hand crafting them anyway... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_2369~0.JPG First gun I ever put together - Lyman Great Plains Rifle. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1120449.jpg First Flintlock I ever whittled out. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1010633.jpg Old Sharon Plains Rifle assembled for someone else... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_7704.jpg Wow you do some purdy work there! I was thinking of making my own but the inletting and barrel channel scraping part scares me, that and I have never tried to carve floral motifs either. The "dark" looking rifle in the first photo is a Early / Mid 1770's Lancaster style gun with a 38" Rice C weight 54 Cal barrel. Uses all of Jim Chamber's hardware from his Issac Haines kit and his Golden Age Germanic lock (awesome lock btw). It's my hunting gun. Not too long, balances well, is fairly plain and easy for my 5'7" ass to load. It really isn't nearly as dark as it appears.     |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:35:32 AM EDT
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I saw smoke poles and weird weapons...
Take a look at the guys making knife and sword videos in youtube and you'll see why it isn't as cool as you think. Life is too damned short to care what others think of how you might look. Might as well do what we enjoy in our short time here. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:36:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, you could say I have a "taste" for 18th century smokepoles... Or hand crafting them anyway... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_2369~0.JPG First gun I ever put together - Lyman Great Plains Rifle. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1120449.jpg First Flintlock I ever whittled out. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1010633.jpg Old Sharon Plains Rifle assembled for someone else... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_7704.jpg Beautiful!!!! Man, what I would give to have half of your skills! I'd love to build a Pennsylvania long rifle, but I wouldn't want to fuck it up. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:41:42 AM EDT
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Let you in on a secret. Dave Keck @ Knob Mountain Muzzleloading. Send him your blank and your barrel and he'll inlet the barrel and drill the ramrod hole for you. He'll also rough out a butt stock shape to one of his many many patterns. The "dark" looking rifle in the first photo is a Early / Mid 1770's Lancaster style gun with a 38" Rice C weight 54 Cal barrel. Uses all of Jim Chamber's hardware from his Issac Haines kit and his Golden Age Germanic lock (awesome lock btw). It's my hunting gun. Not too long, balances well, is fairly plain and easy for my 5'7" ass to load. It really isn't nearly as dark as it appears. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4957.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4965.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4966.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4981.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, you could say I have a "taste" for 18th century smokepoles... Or hand crafting them anyway... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_2369~0.JPG First gun I ever put together - Lyman Great Plains Rifle. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1120449.jpg First Flintlock I ever whittled out. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_P1010633.jpg Old Sharon Plains Rifle assembled for someone else... http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_7704.jpg Wow you do some purdy work there! I was thinking of making my own but the inletting and barrel channel scraping part scares me, that and I have never tried to carve floral motifs either. The "dark" looking rifle in the first photo is a Early / Mid 1770's Lancaster style gun with a 38" Rice C weight 54 Cal barrel. Uses all of Jim Chamber's hardware from his Issac Haines kit and his Golden Age Germanic lock (awesome lock btw). It's my hunting gun. Not too long, balances well, is fairly plain and easy for my 5'7" ass to load. It really isn't nearly as dark as it appears. http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4957.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4965.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4966.jpg http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_4981.jpg how hard is it to do the floral relief work? Does it take a lot of tools to get started carving like that? Those Rice barrels are awesome, my J.P. Beck copy has a 44" swamped c profile Rice barrel with the round groves and it shoots like a match grade rifle up to 70 yrds. I won't hunt further than 50 yrds with a flinter but I would think it would be good out to 100yrds if the patched ball had any punch left in it at that range. I am just not one for wounding or chasing deer down so I don't take risky shots. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:42:30 AM EDT
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I aspire to be Jim Kibler when I grow up....
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:48:34 AM EDT
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Holy cow that guy does some insane inlay work!
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:51:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how hard is it to do the floral relief work? Does it take a lot of tools to get started carving like that? Those Rice barrels are awesome, my J.P. Beck copy has a 42" swamped c profile Rice barrel with the round groves and it shoots like a match grade rifle up to 70 yrds. I won't hunt further than 50 yrds with a flinter but I would think it would be good out to 100yrds if the patched ball had any punch left in it at that range. I am just not one for wounding or chasing deer down so I don't take risky shots. Relief and incise carving is like anything else. It takes practice, methodology, the correct tools, knowledge of how to use them and inspiration. You can copy what the Master's of the 18th and 19th centuries did or you can mix and match or come up with your own. Knowing what belongs to what "school" of rifle goes a long way if you are trying to be somewhat historically accurate. I have an entire drawer full of Pfiel chisels, gouges and sweeps. I also have another drawer full of scrapers, sanding sticks and files. Jim Chambers kits (http://flintlocks.com) are some of the most historically accurate as well as easy to assemble. You can leave them plain or embellish to your heart's content. Nothing in the contemporary flintlock hobby is inexpensive... NOTHING... The ammo is the cheapest part.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:55:44 AM EDT
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I wish there were some rifle builders here in GA I could visit and ask to apprentice to. I have always wanted to learn to build rifles but the wood working aspect has me scared to mess up a $200-$300
maple stock blank. I can do most anything with metal as that was my trade for 20 years or so but I have never tried in-letting or carving work. I would also be scared of doing sloppy fitment on finials and inlays. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:00:45 AM EDT
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I've been way deeper into traditional BP for way longer than I've been into EBRs. I've hunted almost exclusively BP since the mid-1980s.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:01:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:03:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:03:29 AM EDT
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I aspire to be Jim Kibler when I grow up....
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/search/label/Jim%20Kibler You've got a heck of a good start. I'm in awe. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:04:24 AM EDT
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I wish there were some rifle builders here in GA I could visit and ask to apprentice to. I have always wanted to learn to build rifles but the wood working aspect has me scared to mess up a $200-$300 maple stock blank. I can do most anything with metal as that was my trade for 20 years or so but I have never tried in-letting or carving work. I would also be scared of doing sloppy fitment on finials and inlays. The guy who made my rifle and apprenticed to Frank House practiced on cheap scrap or hardware store wood and made "poor boy" rifles before he ever laid chisel to curly maple. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:09:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish there were some rifle builders here in GA I could visit and ask to apprentice to. I have always wanted to learn to build rifles but the wood working aspect has me scared to mess up a $200-$300 maple stock blank. I can do most anything with metal as that was my trade for 20 years or so but I have never tried in-letting or carving work. I would also be scared of doing sloppy fitment on finials and inlays. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:15:11 AM EDT
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not really burned out on .mil firearms yet,
however being originally from Lebanon County Pennsylvania, where the Beck Longrifle originated, I really do need one of them in my assortment |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:18:34 AM EDT
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The guy who made my rifle and apprenticed to Frank House practiced on cheap scrap or hardware store wood and made "poor boy" rifles before he ever laid chisel to curly maple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish there were some rifle builders here in GA I could visit and ask to apprentice to. I have always wanted to learn to build rifles but the wood working aspect has me scared to mess up a $200-$300 maple stock blank. I can do most anything with metal as that was my trade for 20 years or so but I have never tried in-letting or carving work. I would also be scared of doing sloppy fitment on finials and inlays. The guy who made my rifle and apprenticed to Frank House practiced on cheap scrap or hardware store wood and made "poor boy" rifles before he ever laid chisel to curly maple. well this is as far as I have went with stock work. 
I reshaped the front of the comb on this TC Hawken from that crappy hawk bill look to a more traditional look, and I added some tack work to look like a plains Indian owned look. this one I sanded down and did some carving but it wasn't very good. and I "antiqued" the steel to a grey color with apple cider vinegar. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:51:49 PM EDT
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Grew up shooting BP. My first firearm was a hawken .50 cal. I still have it. I have a "modern" in line rifle for the few times I go gun hunting, and have also hunted with the Hawken.
Some of my favorite memories of growing up are going shooting with my Dad and then spending 3 hours cleaning both of our rifles while Dad took a nap. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:24:29 PM EDT
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Haven't gotten burned out on modern weapons, but I did start looking into BP myself about a year ago. Found a used Hawken on a local gun forum, picked it up for $100. Got a couple pistols and just cleaned this one up. Got it free. I like a variety of weapons, but I really like the history of BP weapons.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:31:59 PM EDT
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   Building one myself is on the list of things to do. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:37:03 PM EDT
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I've been feeling indifferent after going to the range lately. Another member here got me started on shooting crossbows which I've been enjoying, even got out some of my older stuff and started shooting a compound bow as well. I've been much more excited about actually shooting the archery stuff than real firearms.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:38:52 PM EDT
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Nope hate black powder
Own 2 of them inherited one and bought the other for a 1 time BP hunting trip the fucking smell makes me want to vomit , maybe i should try the chlorine based powders out now |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:40:44 PM EDT
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"Ever get burned out on Military Gunz?"
No, closest I ever get is tiring of chasing boxer brass they fling around. As long as you are getting into BP, check out: percussion revolvers breach AND muzzleloading shotguns crumby little deringers, black powder poured into conventional rifle cartridges (.30/06 and .303 was odd fun), find a friend with a muzzleloading cannon, go upland bird/small game hunting with BP .410 ammo (a frustrating hoot), dare to shoot BP in your .38 revolver, BP in my side by side break open 16 gauge was fun If you're doing BP, you will want to get into bullet casting, and so will want to hoard 20 or 50lbs of pure lead in that event. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You speak from experience or are you just talking out your ass? You seem to be confusing LARPing with historical reenacting. I have done everything from shooting blanks and black powder bazookas "playing war" doing WWII reenacting next to real armored vehicles. To shooting cowboy action and WWII theme 2-gun matches in period uniforms/gear with period correct weapons as well as SCA medieval armored combat with rattan instead of live steel. Rubber elf ears, foam swords and throwing bean bag "spells" at each other is not historical reenacting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. You just got out of high school, right? Do you even read? Kids these days, no imagination or appreciation of the past.... Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. You speak from experience or are you just talking out your ass? You seem to be confusing LARPing with historical reenacting. I have done everything from shooting blanks and black powder bazookas "playing war" doing WWII reenacting next to real armored vehicles. To shooting cowboy action and WWII theme 2-gun matches in period uniforms/gear with period correct weapons as well as SCA medieval armored combat with rattan instead of live steel. Rubber elf ears, foam swords and throwing bean bag "spells" at each other is not historical reenacting. vast majority being civil or revolutionary war guys and a couple rendezvous buck skinner types to the man every single one was profoundly weird and gave me the axe murder/child molester/ proto-neckbeard vibe |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:44:04 PM EDT
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https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5083/5312017919_35c6d7df3a_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5248/5288587056_3620bee808_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5127/5288582116_3ba6779114_b.jpg Building one myself is on the list of things to do. I really like the figure of that maple! wow what a beauty! |
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