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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:30:36 PM EDT
http://www.enduro360.com/2014/10/16/featured/sherco-injection-two-stroke-action/
http://www.enduro21.com/index.php/enduro21/item/2210-first-look-%E2%80%93-sherco%E2%80%99s-300-se-r-fuel-injection (Sherco is a motorcycle manufacturer based in the French.)  It's been talked about before, this was the official factory intoduction. Video at the link. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:42:56 PM EDT
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Know this isn't really 100% related but I've been wanting Peugeot, Citroen and Renault to re-renter the US market. They have some really cool models we can't have here.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:46:15 PM EDT
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Sick!
Though I have no issues with my carb'd KTM. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:48:28 PM EDT
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Return of the ring dings? 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 5:18:34 PM EDT
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Interesting.
I think a 750 CC snowmobile puts out almost 180 HP? That's with meeting all the epa requirements. Was at an AMA motorcycle hill climb, a bike with a rotax engine, 2 stroke, almost won. On nitro, it sounded like a prehistoric beast being tortured. Clean 2 cycle diesels may be back in several years. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 5:47:22 PM EDT
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Interesting. I think a 750 CC snowmobile puts out almost 180 HP? That's with meeting all the epa requirements. Was at an AMA motorcycle hill climb, a bike with a rotax engine, 2 stroke, almost won. On nitro, it sounded like a prehistoric beast being tortured. Clean 2 cycle diesels may be back in several years. Not stock. The largest two strokes these days are 800cc, and they put out around 160 horsepower. And the direct injected ones get better fuel economy than a four stroke with comparable power. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:21:34 PM EDT
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Okay, got that data from an old Acrtic Cat add from work 12+ years ago.
Used to race MX in the 1970's, did a lot of tuning. When I start thinking about the amount of reliable (non epa compliant) you can obtain, I get excited. Of course, has already been done. ( however with todays efi and liquid cooling=more gains) Yamaha had a v-4 500 cc 2 stroke, not USA imported, people tune them up to the 140 HP range. Early 1980's, was like the Father of 'Crotch Rockets' FZ-500 maybe? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:03:30 PM EDT
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Okay, got that data from an old Acrtic Cat add from work 12+ years ago. Used to race MX in the 1970's, did a lot of tuning. When I start thinking about the amount of reliable (non epa compliant) you can obtain, I get excited. Of course, has already been done. ( however with todays efi and liquid cooling=more gains) Yamaha had a v-4 500 cc 2 stroke, not USA imported, people tune them up to the 140 HP range. Early 1980's, was like the Father of 'Crotch Rockets' FZ-500 maybe? The most powerful two-stroke Cat ever was the 1000cc Thundercat, at a claimed 172 horse (although it usually took some tweaking to get that). Their 800 today has about 160, but is nearly 100 pounds lighter. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:05:32 PM EDT
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Return of the ring dings? Damn, I was going to post that! Do want!
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:07:36 PM EDT
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I started to say "Who the hell is Sherco?"
Then I saw they were french 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:10:16 PM EDT
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I love smokers. I have TZR250,RZ350 and RD400 streetbikes
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:15:19 PM EDT
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Okay, got that data from an old Acrtic Cat add from work 12+ years ago. Used to race MX in the 1970's, did a lot of tuning. When I start thinking about the amount of reliable (non epa compliant) you can obtain, I get excited. Of course, has already been done. ( however with todays efi and liquid cooling=more gains) Yamaha had a v-4 500 cc 2 stroke, not USA imported, people tune them up to the 140 HP range. Early 1980's, was like the Father of 'Crotch Rockets' FZ-500 maybe? RZ500 RZV500R RD500LC I had one, plus two RZ350s. Great fun. Two-strokes rule. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:15:58 PM EDT
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:16:39 PM EDT
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How the hell do you convert CC into american?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:21:48 PM EDT
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RZ500 RZV500R RD500LC I had one, plus two RZ350s. Great fun. Two-strokes rule. http://www.rd350lc.net/RZV500R-83.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay, got that data from an old Acrtic Cat add from work 12+ years ago. Used to race MX in the 1970's, did a lot of tuning. When I start thinking about the amount of reliable (non epa compliant) you can obtain, I get excited. Of course, has already been done. ( however with todays efi and liquid cooling=more gains) Yamaha had a v-4 500 cc 2 stroke, not USA imported, people tune them up to the 140 HP range. Early 1980's, was like the Father of 'Crotch Rockets' FZ-500 maybe? RZ500 RZV500R RD500LC I had one, plus two RZ350s. Great fun. Two-strokes rule. http://www.rd350lc.net/RZV500R-83.jpg Too bad you had to buy two of them to make the bike Yamaha should have made. The world spec RZ500 for the engine and the Japanese spec RZV500R for the aluminum frame. A set of Toomey pipes and you're good to go. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:22:21 PM EDT
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I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! I used to love watching all the old timers rip the oil injection units off brand new motors. They were happy to keep mixing |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to love watching all the old timers rip the oil injection units off brand new motors. They were happy to keep mixing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! I used to love watching all the old timers rip the oil injection units off brand new motors. They were happy to keep mixing  |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:52:58 PM EDT
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How the hell do the needle bearing main and needle bearing wrist pin get lubed if the fuel and oil are direct injected right into the cylinder on the compression stroke?
Another Oil injection at the throttle body or reed cage? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:26:24 PM EDT
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Back in the days of Yamaha and Kawasaki two strokes (1972ish) the real limit on multi cylinders was uneven cooling .
Between liquid cooling and computer controlled fuel injection they should be real fire breathers |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:33:28 PM EDT
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I think Honda played with this in the 80's. They are always trying to go green.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:38:49 PM EDT
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How the hell do the needle bearing main and needle bearing wrist pin get lubed if the fuel and oil are direct injected right into the cylinder on the compression stroke? Another Oil injection at the throttle body or reed cage? Oil injection to the bottom end, fuel injection to the top end. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:40:55 PM EDT
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I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! You tell fibs. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:47:57 PM EDT
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Two strokes rule!
Here's the bike I'm building. 
72/74 H2 motor in a 93 ZX7 frame. 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:50:56 PM EDT
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Two strokes rule! Here's the bike I'm building.
72/74 H2 motor in a 93 ZX7 frame. http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s496/captainpooby/IMG_0002_zpsd7540a7f.jpg Very cool! |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:02:54 PM EDT
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I've had a FI 2T since 2012
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:08:46 PM EDT
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Not stock. The largest two strokes these days are 800cc, and they put out around 160 horsepower. And the direct injected ones get better fuel economy than a four stroke with comparable power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. I think a 750 CC snowmobile puts out almost 180 HP? That's with meeting all the epa requirements. Was at an AMA motorcycle hill climb, a bike with a rotax engine, 2 stroke, almost won. On nitro, it sounded like a prehistoric beast being tortured. Clean 2 cycle diesels may be back in several years. Not stock. The largest two strokes these days are 800cc, and they put out around 160 horsepower. And the direct injected ones get better fuel economy than a four stroke with comparable power. Do you even etec, bro? I know you are talking bikes/sleds, but a 3441cc 300HP 2 stroke DI engine is available at you local evinrude dealer right now
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:39:25 AM EDT
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Do you even etec, bro? I know you are talking bikes/sleds, but a 3441cc 300HP 2 stroke DI engine is available at you local evinrude dealer right now Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. I think a 750 CC snowmobile puts out almost 180 HP? That's with meeting all the epa requirements. Was at an AMA motorcycle hill climb, a bike with a rotax engine, 2 stroke, almost won. On nitro, it sounded like a prehistoric beast being tortured. Clean 2 cycle diesels may be back in several years. Not stock. The largest two strokes these days are 800cc, and they put out around 160 horsepower. And the direct injected ones get better fuel economy than a four stroke with comparable power. Do you even etec, bro? I know you are talking bikes/sleds, but a 3441cc 300HP 2 stroke DI engine is available at you local evinrude dealer right now Do you know how many powerheads OMC and BRP have replaced due to that ficht / etech junk? Thousands |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:11:49 PM EDT
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Will check it out.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:17:09 PM EDT
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Do you know how many powerheads OMC and BRP have replaced due to that ficht / etech junk? Thousands Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. I think a 750 CC snowmobile puts out almost 180 HP? That's with meeting all the epa requirements. Was at an AMA motorcycle hill climb, a bike with a rotax engine, 2 stroke, almost won. On nitro, it sounded like a prehistoric beast being tortured. Clean 2 cycle diesels may be back in several years. Not stock. The largest two strokes these days are 800cc, and they put out around 160 horsepower. And the direct injected ones get better fuel economy than a four stroke with comparable power. Do you even etec, bro? I know you are talking bikes/sleds, but a 3441cc 300HP 2 stroke DI engine is available at you local evinrude dealer right now Do you know how many powerheads OMC and BRP have replaced due to that ficht / etech junk? Thousands LOL, FICHT is completely different technology than the ETEC, and has been gone for more than a decade. The ETECs are getting quite reliable now, and the new generation is supposed to be even better. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:19:18 PM EDT
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Maico 700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GiRtQZlnbw
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:21:29 PM EDT
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I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! I've seen a lot of carbed and throttle-body two-strokes burn down, too. It's just the nature of the beast, and they will always be susceptible to melting a piston if something goes out of spec, regardless of how it's fuel is delivered. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:28:05 PM EDT
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I spent 13 years on a CR500. I've lost track of how many bones I broke
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:28:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:30:50 PM EDT
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I used to love watching all the old timers rip the oil injection units off brand new motors. They were happy to keep mixing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! I used to love watching all the old timers rip the oil injection units off brand new motors. They were happy to keep mixing They don't even VRO bro. 
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:31:39 PM EDT
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I think an Australian company built a 500 two stroke. The thing ripped in the vids but the problem was mapping the fuel injectors right.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:32:18 PM EDT
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Our administration hates Two-Strokes
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:19:37 PM EDT
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I remember the Maico 501, from my MX days.
Yamaha made a 500 cc MX, chrome cylinder, had problems, but, boy, they ran when they did. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:25:21 PM EDT
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I spent 13 years on a CR500. I've lost track of how many bones I broke You really need to look up Service Honda...:-) CR500AF Your bones will thank you... |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:35:04 PM EDT
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I love smokers. I have TZR250,RZ350 and RD400 streetbikes I have an RD400 in high school......fun bike |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:40:22 PM EDT
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Mercury has been doing it to there outboards for several years, they kick ass,the parts that need oil get it, just not very much.
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How the hell do the needle bearing main and needle bearing wrist pin get lubed if the fuel and oil are direct injected right into the cylinder on the compression stroke? Another Oil injection at the throttle body or reed cage? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:42:00 PM EDT
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I have seen lots of carbed 2 -strokes burn down, plugged jets=sssqqqeek.
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I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? I've seen a lot of DI 2-stroke motors burn down. Sleds & outboards. Good luck! |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:43:41 PM EDT
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Harley 96 inches= 1550 cc'c.
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How the hell do you convert CC into american?
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:44:23 PM EDT
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You really need to look up Service Honda...:-) CR500AF Your bones will thank you... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I spent 13 years on a CR500. I've lost track of how many bones I broke You really need to look up Service Honda...:-) CR500AF Your bones will thank you... Very true. I ended up boring and stroking a CRF450 up to a 511 and then braking bones on it instead.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:45:37 PM EDT
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Our administration hates Two-Strokes The Admins hate the sound of the two stroke power bahhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggg! |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:59:13 PM EDT
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/03/07/ask-kevin-how-are-the-rod-bearings-lubricated-in-a-direct-injected-two-stroke-engine/
OSSA is making fuel injected two stroke trials bikes, however, they are not DI, the fuel is injected upstream of the reeds (like a carbureted bike).
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:03:27 AM EDT
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How the hell do you convert CC into american?
X9/5+32. Shit, never mind that's Celsius to Fahrenheit. But yeah.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:04:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:05:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They make real good trials bikes. I wonder how this will compare with the KTM Husaberg 300? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:07:01 AM EDT
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I spent 13 years on a CR500. I've lost track of how many bones I broke I went to high school on a street legal CR500 in the late 80's. Don't know how I lived to graduate. It's almost as if Honda added the brakes as an afterthought. I often found myself in situations where I grabbed a handful of front brake and the bike simply said, "Oh, you want to slow down? I'll take into consideration while I go WFO into those trees over there..." |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:24:59 AM EDT
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Return of the ring dings? Physics. One power stroke out of every two is much better than one out of every four as long as their isn't supercharging. The weight breaks in drag racing sorta bears this out. 'Haven't kept up with it like I used to soooo...perhaps the ring dings can figure out a way to make their "sound".....more respectable......
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