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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In response to this thread: Who is remembered by history as a fool or villian but got a bum rap? I had a lot of responses I wanted to make in that thread, but most of em fell under this category. My candidate would be McArthur. He was a lying, egomaniacal mommy's boy who was completely ineffective in the early stages of the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, and effectively went rogue in Korea, provoking the Chinese. He operated a command isolated from the US Government in the Korean War, and frequently made political moves completely outside of his scope as a military commander. Biographies describe his sick fascination with his mother, and from an early age he was surrounded by sycophants and yes men. He created a world around himself where he could do no wrong, and every misstep he made he blamed on others. He had a pathological aversion to taking responsibility for his actions, which often ended up getting men killed. By the end of his career, he was so mentally off his rocker it was a shitshow getting him reigned in. Your candidates? Of course, this being GD, the first name I expect is Abraham Lincoln, but I swear to god I will pistol whip the first son of a bitch that turns this into a Civil War tard fest. Nelson Mandella Boom.  Page 3 Ownage |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:54:18 AM EDT
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Why Lincoln? Aside from a Southerner's perspectives, is there something I've missed? The All powerful and all knowing federal govt. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:01:42 AM EDT
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/\/\/\ Ironically, the South wasn't some state's rights paradise, but nobody really talks about how the CS government "worked".
Robert E Lee Not saying he wasn't a good guy. Just saying he wasn't a very good general who did foolish things and was only succesful because he had very, very good subordinates. Also couldn't keep proper command over those who weren't very good and/or thought they were very good. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:02:16 AM EDT
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MLK
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:03:56 AM EDT
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Lincoln. They built statues for the man responsible for more dead Americans than anyone. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:07:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lincoln. They built statues for the man responsible for more dead Americans than anyone. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:13:25 PM EDT
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The term I heard regarding her was "a slutty, talentless bulimic." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Princess Diana. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The term I heard regarding her was "a slutty, talentless bulimic." There's a Mojo Nixon song out there titled "Drunk Divorced Floozie"(Ballad of Diana Spencer) |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:15:56 PM EDT
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George Armstrong Custer
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus  out of ETA:Old testament patriarchs on the other hand? Well, many were actually pretty messed up. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:49:17 PM EDT
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For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus How so? No bashing will be involved just curious. For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. Thread is fool or vilian, NOT overrated. Perhaps your belief system is tired to you reading comprehension, or ability to stay on topic? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:53:17 PM EDT
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I'm no fan of "de Jesus", and while maybe crazy, I wouldn't call him a fool or a villain. out of
ETA:Old testament patriarchs on the other hand? Well, many were actually pretty messed up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA:Old testament patriarchs on the other hand? Well, many were actually pretty messed up. Believing yourself to be a deity is pretty foolish. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:54:08 PM EDT
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Why Lincoln? Aside from a Southerner's perspectives, is there something I've missed? Nope. He was pretty awesome, but a lot of the southern folks believe he was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let the south leave the union to practice slavery, which was an abhorrent practice that is counter to our very constitutional founding. 
ETA: The south continues to be butt-hurt about it to this day. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:07:05 PM EDT
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Billy Buttfuck Blyth aka Slick Willie Clinton.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:11:45 PM EDT
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Rachel Carson
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:21:24 PM EDT
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William Jefferson Blyth III
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:24:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:25:39 PM EDT
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Woodrow Wilson.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's just crazytalk. He robbed from the rich and gave to the poor, stood up to the man and gave him what for. A lot of my picks have already been said so I'll add: Bernard Law Montgomery. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Churchill. Many times he would be notified when and where the bombers where coming at would not give anyone including his staff any knowledge to save them nor civilians, but made sure his driver got him the hell out of the incoming path, then he would show up the day after, like look I'm right here with you for photo ops. This was documented by many including his driver after the war. Fact is Churchill was a drunk, a war criminal and a coward. Can't say if its true or not, but I would see that as a tactically sound decision. Evacuating or warning cities of impending bombings would have tipped off the Germans that their codes had been compromised, and codes would have immediately changed. Fact of the matter is it would be far more important to keep it a secret so as to continue to be able to track German troop movements, naval activity and their future war plans....Sucks to do it, but I would have done the same had I been in his shoes.. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:42:35 PM EDT
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Russians And I mean all Russians.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:45:42 PM EDT
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States Rights were destroyed by Progressivism, and the large federal government was a function of progressivism. So, I'd say you're missing about 35 years of American history. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why Lincoln? Aside from a Southerner's perspectives, is there something I've missed? States Rights were destroyed by Progressivism, and the large federal government was a function of progressivism. So, I'd say you're missing about 35 years of American history. Lincoln was actually trying to be a buffer between Congress which wanted revenge on the South and the South itself. Lincoln's death unleashed those who sought revenge and the horrors of Reconstruction was the result. Had Lincoln not been assassinated, we might have enjoyed many more States rights today. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:52:00 PM EDT
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He thought he was the son of God, and it got him killed. That's pretty foolish. I guess we'll find out eventually...
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:53:20 PM EDT
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He thought he was the son of God, and it got him killed. That's pretty foolish. I guess we'll find out eventually... Or not.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:56:03 PM EDT
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Robin Hood
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:57:35 PM EDT
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FDR, Woodrow Wilson, LBJ, Andrew Jackson...
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:57:41 PM EDT
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:57:56 PM EDT
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Clinton.... Great list.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In response to this thread: Who is remembered by history as a fool or villian but got a bum rap? I had a lot of responses I wanted to make in that thread, but most of em fell under this category. My candidate would be McArthur. He was a lying, egomaniacal mommy's boy who was completely ineffective in the early stages of the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, and effectively went rogue in Korea, provoking the Chinese. He operated a command isolated from the US Government in the Korean War, and frequently made political moves completely outside of his scope as a military commander. Biographies describe his sick fascination with his mother, and from an early age he was surrounded by sycophants and yes men. He created a world around himself where he could do no wrong, and every misstep he made he blamed on others. He had a pathological aversion to taking responsibility for his actions, which often ended up getting men killed. By the end of his career, he was so mentally off his rocker it was a shitshow getting him reigned in. Your candidates? Of course, this being GD, the first name I expect is Abraham Lincoln, but I swear to god I will pistol whip the first son of a bitch that turns this into a Civil War tard fest. Nelson Mandela Jimmy Carter JFK The Prophet Mohammed John Lennon Edit: forgot to mention LBJ.. The war on poverty is going well sir, The middle class is getting their asses handed to them. Clinton.... Great list.. Aside from Mandela and possibly JFK, how many people on that list are considered actual heroes by the average person? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:59:43 PM EDT
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For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus How so? No bashing will be involved just curious. For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. I'm not an Christian and I think there are lot of historical figures more overrated than Jesus. In fact, Christianity is largely responsible for the Western world not being an Islamic caliphate today. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:01:28 PM EDT
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This reminds me, Christopher Hitchens is a good add to the list. Drunken boorish jackass (and a Trotskyite to boot) who's only 'admired' because he pandered to people's anti-religious bigotry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mother Teresa This reminds me, Christopher Hitchens is a good add to the list. Drunken boorish jackass (and a Trotskyite to boot) who's only 'admired' because he pandered to people's anti-religious bigotry. Call me a religious bigot all day long if you'd like, but the things I've heard Hitchens say about wacko Muslims is spot on. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:04:27 PM EDT
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Did he actually exist? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:06:17 PM EDT
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Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. Distinction without a difference. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:08:08 PM EDT
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Whoops, misread.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:10:24 PM EDT
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"Admiral Halsey the Fighting Sailor......"
"I know this book, you were all wrong, Halsey acted stupidly." |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus How so? No bashing will be involved just curious. For those that are atheist or don't belive Christianity, Jesus is the most overrated person in all of history bar none, hands down. Obviously if you are Christian you disagree. ETA: I don't know if anyone would call Jesus a fool or villan, rather just not the person he is made out to be. No, its really not about who he is made out to be by "christians". It's about who he claimed personally to be. He was either who he claimed to be, or he was a pathological liar, or he was a total nut job, or he never existed at all and is a figment of imagination or he did exist but did nothing or said nothing that distinguished him from being just another guru. Patrick |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:12:25 PM EDT
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Distinction without a difference. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. Distinction without a difference. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Indeed. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:14:01 PM EDT
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Believing yourself to be a deity is pretty foolish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus out of
ETA:Old testament patriarchs on the other hand? Well, many were actually pretty messed up. Believing yourself to be a deity is pretty foolish. Ah, there we go. Didn't know where you were coming from. So from your point of view, he was a total nut job. Patrick |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:17:16 PM EDT
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Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. http://ashbrook.org/publications/oped-busch-02-robinhood/ |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:19:29 PM EDT
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Robert E Lee.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:20:58 PM EDT
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George Washington
He fought a war to shake off the yoke on his shoulders only to turn around and use the full armed might of the new republic to emplace that yoke on other Americans. Tax Free Whiskey!!!!!! Burn in hell Tyrant George!!!! |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He thought he was the son of God, and it got him killed. That's pretty foolish. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Jesus How so? No bashing will be involved just curious. He thought he was the son of God, and it got him killed. That's pretty foolish. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:28:11 PM EDT
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A. Lincoln
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:29:22 PM EDT
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I'll second MacArthur. Prima donna and mediocre commander. Always had an entourage and was always playing politics. I also cannot forgive him for keeping his Phillipine aaf bombers and fighters on the ground for the 8 hours after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Too many people in his organization involved cluttered the decision making process when they could have been bombing IJN shipping coming out of Formosa. Was swept under the rug, no inquiry. Was always bitching about not having absolute control of the Pacific forces and was always crying that he should be in charge of the Navy vessels in the theater. His win at Port Moresby was due entirely to Ultra intel.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:37:40 PM EDT
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Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:48:30 PM EDT
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I cant believe anyone said Winston Churchill. He saved England's ass when the blitzkrieg rolled across Europe.
He became PM during England's darkest hour, and turned it into their finest hour. When they were the last country standing he got drunk and had a cigar in one hand and a whiskey in his other hand and made a speech for Hitler and FDR and all the world to hear...It went sorta like this... "...we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..." |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:12:44 PM EDT
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I cant believe anyone said Winston Churchill. He saved England's ass when the blitzkrieg rolled across Europe. He became PM during England's darkest hour, and turned it into their finest hour. When they were the last country standing he got drunk and had a cigar in one hand and a whiskey in his other hand and made a speech for Hitler and FDR and all the world to hear...It went sorta like this... "...we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..." Churchill also did a number of bad things. Not sure it's enough to make him a villain, but it's enough to regard him as overrated. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:18:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:20:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Churchill also did a number of bad things. Not sure it's enough to make him a villain, but it's enough to regard him as overrated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I cant believe anyone said Winston Churchill. He saved England's ass when the blitzkrieg rolled across Europe. He became PM during England's darkest hour, and turned it into their finest hour. When they were the last country standing he got drunk and had a cigar in one hand and a whiskey in his other hand and made a speech for Hitler and FDR and all the world to hear...It went sorta like this... "...we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..." Churchill also did a number of bad things. Not sure it's enough to make him a villain, but it's enough to regard him as overrated. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat guy, just didn't do that great of job in office. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:25:44 PM EDT
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Nelson Mandela Jimmy Carter JFK The Prophet Mohammed John Lennon Edit: forgot to mention LBJ.. The war on poverty is going well sir, The middle class is getting their asses handed to them. Good start. Andy Warhol Neil Young Charles De Gaulle Yasir Arafat |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:26:31 PM EDT
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Reagan Look folks! We have a clueless one here! |
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