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Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:10:13 AM EDT
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I know.
Like I said . . . .


 
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God , we are SO fucked



Only if we do not act, most American want to limit and reduce immigration, if we just stop listing to the Neo Cons and tell the leftist to shut up because they hate America, we will be O.K

Hell it caused Cantor to lose big, as he should have..

I know.
Like I said . . . .


 


We faced worse odds...We can beat this and restore liberty but only if we have the will to act..
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:11:42 AM EDT
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How do we limit legal immigration?

I know illegal immigration is a issue but since 1965 legal immigration has lead to many negative changes in this nation that if not halted and reversed will destroy it.

Do we frame it solely as a economical argument? Or do we bring up the change in causes to our culture, politics and demographics?

Why do we have 1,1,000,000 new people coming into this nation when we have so many people under or unemployed?  A side from give Democrats more voters..

Not to metion bring with them the failed ideas, and ideologies that made their nations hell on Earth.

This PDF  and some studies and links really does spell it out...
http://www.eagleforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_ImmigrationBook-6-12-14.pdf

How do we get down to 200,000 immigration levels?

I mean many Americans really do not want our nation to change for the worst.


We need to take the best, and keep out the rest....And no more mass immigration no more then 200,000.....We do think the left loves immigration? They get to import voters who love and have only know big government?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2012/04/2012-phc-identity-23.png

http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2012/04/2012-phc-identity-24.png

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http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/05/latinos-chp9-12.png

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/05/latinos-chp9-13.png

I mean...WOW...If you still believe in the same failed ideas, please stay home in your collapsing 3rd world hellhole..

Not anti Hispanic, just posting numbers on the fasting growing group..

More poverty, lower wages, more government, less freedom.

Gum Ball Poverty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Is their any problem that is not made worse by adding millions of more people?

100,000,000 New Americans..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ

Why do we need 100,000,000 more people?

According to a Harris poll, 81 percent of native-born citizens think the schools should teach students to be proud of being American. proud of being American Only 50 percent of naturalized U.S. citizens do.

While 67 percent of native-born Americans believe our Constitution is a higher legal authority than international law,
only 37 percent of naturalized citizens agree.
No wonder they vote 2-1 for the Democrats.

The two largest immigrant groups, Hispanics and Asians, have little in common economically, culturally or historically. But they both overwhelmingly [url=http://www.vdare.com/articles/population-paradoxes-a-post-anglo-america-might-vote-for-big-government-but-couldnt-afford-?page=6] support big government,[/url=Obamacare,http://www.vdare.com/articles/anti-model-minority-leftists-inventing-an-anti-white-pan-asian-identity] affirmative action[/url]  and gun control


Also surprising, a Pew Research Center poll of all Hispanics, immigrant and citizen alike, found that Hispanics take a dimmer view of capitalism than even people who describe themselves as "liberal Democrats." While 47 percent of self-described "liberal Democrats" hold a negative view of capitalism, 55 percent of Hispanics do.

Pew also found that only 27 percent of Hispanics support gun rights, compared to 57 percent of non-Hispanic whites. According to large majorities of Hispanics favor a national database of gun owners, limiting the capacity of magazines and a ban on semiautomatic weapons.

Seventy-five percent of Hispanic immigrants and 55 percent of Asian immigrants support bigger government—also according to Pew. Even after three generations in America, Hispanics still support bigger government 55 percent to 36 percent, compared to the general public, which opposes bigger government 48 percent to 41 percent.


How are Conservatives Republicans' going to square that circle? It's not their position on amnesty that immigrants don't like; it's Conservatives Republicans' support for small government, gun rights, patriotism, the Constitution and capitalism.


Reading these statistics, does anyone wonder why Democrats think vastly increasing immigration should be the nation's No. 1 priority?

They have to import millions of voters to stack the deck, so they can "Cast ballots Americans are not willing to cost, to elect candidates Americans are not willing to elect, to support leftist ideologies Americans overwhelming reject"

It would be one thing if the people with these views already lived here. Republicans would have no right to say, "You can't vote." But why on Earth are they bringing in people sworn to their political destruction?

Republicans have no obligation to assist the Democrats as they change the country in a way that favors them electorally, particularly when it does great harm to the people already here.

Yes, it's great for the most powerful Americans to have lots of cheap, unskilled labor. Immigration definitely solves the rich's "servant problem."

(Approximately 5 million times a day, MSNBC expresses bewilderment that any Republicans oppose amnesty when it's supported by the Chamber of Commerce. Wow! So even people who profit by flooding the country with cheap labor are in favor of flooding the country with cheap labor!)

It's terrific for ethnic lobbyists whose political clout will skyrocket the more foreign-born Americans we have.

And it's fantastic for the Democrats, who are well on their way to a permanent majority, so they can completely destroy the last remnants of what was once known as "the land of the free."

The only ones opposed to our current immigration policies are the people.

We are seeing how badly it has effected this nation and we are taking action to stop it.

Look what they did to California in less then a decade

America should be and remain America and not degenerate into a 3rd world leftist slum.

So how do we make the case airtight?

For those that say it can be done, we have done fought greatest threats and won, hell it took our Eric Cantor in his primary.

Let`s Defend Our Liberty

Let`s Defend Our Freedom

Let`s Defend Our Future

Let`s Defend Our Culture

Let`s Defend Our Values

Let`s Defend Our Constitution

Let`s Defend Our Way and Stranded of Life

Let`s Defend America as America IS and as America SHOULD BE!

What ideas and plans do you guys have in stock..When you need help solving a problem surely the minds at AR15.com know.
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End the wefare state. End chain migration, End birthright citizenship, Don't acceot everyone from everywhere, only from countires that are sending us people we need. and if you don't have something we need you don't get in.

and for all those who do 6 mo Quantetine (on YOUR DIME). I
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:13:16 AM EDT
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Mine (on one side) had the good sense to come on a boat in the late 1600s......Too damn far (and wet) to walk.


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Even if you're "Native American", common theory is that your ancestors came from Eurasia over a land bridge. If you're European, FFS, your ancestors came on a boat or even a plane and it wasn't that long ago.

Not sure how much history you've read, but people were saying the exact same thing about the Irish, Italian, and pretty much all other immigrants in previous generations.


Mine (on one side) had the good sense to come on a boat in the late 1600s......Too damn far (and wet) to walk.






Mine, on both sides came over here in the 1840's.
What makes the current immigration problem bad is the fact that the group is not coming here for freedom, but for a handout.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:13:21 AM EDT
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No, Patriot...Worlds apart but God please you friend.
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No, Patriot...Worlds apart but God please you friend.


Poe's law?
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:14:17 AM EDT
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Remain open to those who want to come into this country to better themselves by becoming hard-working, tax-paying Americans who speak English.



Shut everyone else out.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:17:48 AM EDT
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We faced worse odds...We can beat this and restore liberty but only if we have the will to act..
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God , we are SO fucked






Only if we do not act, most American want to limit and reduce immigration, if we just stop listing to the Neo Cons and tell the leftist to shut up because they hate America, we will be O.K



Hell it caused Cantor to lose big, as he should have..


I know.

Like I said . . . .





 




We faced worse odds...We can beat this and restore liberty but only if we have the will to act..
The illegals streaming across the border are around TEN TIMES more plentiful than the immigrants coming through legally .....and that's .gov estimates , BTW.



https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2010/ois_yb_2010.pdf

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2010.pdf



Priorities .



We need em .
 
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:22:24 AM EDT
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We stop the coddling and give aways.
Everybody WORKS. Or they don't eat.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:28:00 AM EDT
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Yeah ?



When ?



 
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:31:45 AM EDT
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Yeah ?

When ?
 
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Yeah ?

When ?
 

Never.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 8:35:01 AM EDT
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The problem is immigration from barbarian lands
A barbarian with a green card is no different than a barbarian without one
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How do we limit legal immigration?


Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is immigration from barbarian lands
A barbarian with a green card is no different than a barbarian without one


Does that mean you are leaving? As a nation of immigrants there should be no problem with legal immigration. Who we let in should be strictly controlled based on needed skills. Teachers? We have a 300,000 teacher surplus so we don't need more teachers. We have a shortage of doctors so let qualified doctors in. The bigger problem is many other nations are producing better educated graduates than we are so we are in essence screwing ourselves by coddling mediocrity. Keep producing stupid and we will keep needing more immigrants. Notice how we can't export our dropouts and unemployed? Nobody except ISIS and the Libs want them.
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Does that mean you are leaving? As a nation of immigrants there should be no problem with legal immigration. Who we let in should be strictly controlled based on needed skills. Teachers? We have a 300,000 teacher surplus so we don't need more teachers. We have a shortage of doctors so let qualified doctors in. The bigger problem is many other nations are producing better educated graduates than we are so we are in essence screwing ourselves by coddling mediocrity. Keep producing stupid and we will keep needing more immigrants. Notice how we can't export our dropouts and unemployed? Nobody except ISIS and the Libs want them.
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How do we limit legal immigration?


Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is immigration from barbarian lands
A barbarian with a green card is no different than a barbarian without one


Does that mean you are leaving? As a nation of immigrants there should be no problem with legal immigration. Who we let in should be strictly controlled based on needed skills. Teachers? We have a 300,000 teacher surplus so we don't need more teachers. We have a shortage of doctors so let qualified doctors in. The bigger problem is many other nations are producing better educated graduates than we are so we are in essence screwing ourselves by coddling mediocrity. Keep producing stupid and we will keep needing more immigrants. Notice how we can't export our dropouts and unemployed? Nobody except ISIS and the Libs want them.


Close the borders and all that mediocrity works itself out.  USA has gotten fat and lazy.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 9:01:50 AM EDT
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Cut food stamps/EBT cards - make so only tax payers can vote and make everybody pay their taxes accordingly.
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Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.
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How do we limit legal immigration?


Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is to much of both!

The solution for legal immigration is have it based off the US jobless rate, only allow legal immigration when the US jobless rate falls below, say 4% forcing American employers to invest in and  hire Americans rather invest in and import from abroad hand over fist..
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How do we end mass immigration?

Have a mass Ebola pandemic.

They'll be fleeing our country in droves.
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The problem is to much of both!

The solution for legal immigration is have it based off the US jobless rate, only allow legal immigration when the US jobless rate falls below, say 4% forcing American employers to invest in and  hire Americans rather invest in and import from abroad hand over fist..
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How do we limit legal immigration?


Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is to much of both!

The solution for legal immigration is have it based off the US jobless rate, only allow legal immigration when the US jobless rate falls below, say 4% forcing American employers to invest in and  hire Americans rather invest in and import from abroad hand over fist..


What about those jobs no one wants to do? Like doctors...
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 9:11:21 AM EDT
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They'll keep coming until the United States is just as crappy as the countries they left. Then some will go back. There is no political will in either party to stop the hispanic transformation of the US.
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Does that mean you are leaving? As a nation of immigrants there should be no problem with legal immigration. Who we let in should be strictly controlled based on needed skills. Teachers? We have a 300,000 teacher surplus so we don't need more teachers. We have a shortage of doctors so let qualified doctors in. The bigger problem is many other nations are producing better educated graduates than we are so we are in essence screwing ourselves by coddling mediocrity. Keep producing stupid and we will keep needing more immigrants. Notice how we can't export our dropouts and unemployed? Nobody except ISIS and the Libs want them.
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Producing mediocrity is inevitable. There is always a left side of the bell curve. And, given room, we have plenty of space for our own mediocre people. Robots don't install HVACs or repair car bodywork.

Importing millions of illegals, with an IQ distribution somewhat to the left of westerners, that has issues. And it crowds out our own mediocre people into welfare.
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What about those jobs no one wants to do? Like doctors...
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How do we limit legal immigration?


Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is to much of both!

The solution for legal immigration is have it based off the US jobless rate, only allow legal immigration when the US jobless rate falls below, say 4% forcing American employers to invest in and  hire Americans rather invest in and import from abroad hand over fist..


What about those jobs no one wants to do? Like doctors...


Then we do without!

If we keep plucking the best and brightest from other countries particularly third world countries how are those countries ever going to get better?







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By Congressional vote.
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There is only one sure way to stop immigration, stop being a desirable place to live.



So long as we are a good place to live, people who currently live in bad places will want to come.

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Agreed.

First-world nation immigrants only.

Fuck off, 'Merica's full.
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How do we limit legal immigration?


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The problem is illegal immigration.


The problem is immigration from barbarian lands
A barbarian with a green card is no different than a barbarian without one


Agreed.

First-world nation immigrants only.

Fuck off, 'Merica's full.



THIS!!! we should only except immigrants that have something to offer .. ie scientists, doctors
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 9:31:42 AM EDT
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Why do you want to destroy America's economy?
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 9:33:44 AM EDT
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when I was born America's population was 149 million.

now, 300+ million.

please explain to me why we need ANY more people.

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now, 300+ million.

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To continue to grow our economy? Human capital is a necessary part of a strong economy. If you're population stagnates, so does your economic growth.
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To continue to grow our economy? Human capital is a necessary part of a strong economy. If you're population stagnates, so does your economic growth.
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when I was born America's population was 149 million.

now, 300+ million.

please explain to me why we need ANY more people.



To continue to grow our economy? Human capital is a necessary part of a strong economy. If you're population stagnates, so does your economic growth.


Americans bare children so the population does not stagnate, importing millions of low skilled people with low/no education, whom will contribute a fraction compared to what they take out of the system, and bare generational welfare recipients does not grow the economy it destroys it.
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Stop employing them !!!!!! It's very simple
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Hire an illegal. $3000 starting fine. fine doubles every 6 months.

Turn in an employer with illegal employees. $1500 reward to the informant, $1500 reward to the arresting agency. reward doubles every 6 months.

completely paid for by the bad employers.

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Link Posted: 10/20/2014 10:04:34 AM EDT
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Won't happen. The libs/progressives/commie fucks have managed to convince the multitude of morons that this shit must continue. It will until the people who work and pay the freight have had enough and decide they want to do something about it either at the ballot box (unlikely) or by force, also unlikely. After all.....thinking is too damn difficult for far too many and bowling, bar hopping and television shows are higher priorities. The FSA, the brain washed minorities and the low information voters sure as hell don't want shit to change too much unless it is touchy-feely good dem promoting crap and more freebies.

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Mine fields and machine guns, keep it simple.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 10:17:34 AM EDT
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Legal immigration is not a problem, considering all the hoops that prospective immigrants have to jump through.

Most of the legal immigrants are people with specific skills (that are in demand in this country), or are people, such as spouses and close relatives, who are coming here to reunite families.

People that are not in those preferred categories have to wait years and years before their number comes up, if it comes up at all.

My father was invited here after WW2 because his knowledge and experience (as a professor) were needed. He was even offered a direct commission to teach at West Point (which he turned down).

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Producing mediocrity is inevitable. There is always a left side of the bell curve. And, given room, we have plenty of space for our own mediocre people. Robots don't install HVACs or repair car bodywork.

Importing millions of illegals, with an IQ distribution somewhat to the left of westerners, that has issues. And it crowds out our own mediocre people into welfare.
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Does that mean you are leaving? As a nation of immigrants there should be no problem with legal immigration. Who we let in should be strictly controlled based on needed skills. Teachers? We have a 300,000 teacher surplus so we don't need more teachers. We have a shortage of doctors so let qualified doctors in. The bigger problem is many other nations are producing better educated graduates than we are so we are in essence screwing ourselves by coddling mediocrity. Keep producing stupid and we will keep needing more immigrants. Notice how we can't export our dropouts and unemployed? Nobody except ISIS and the Libs want them.


Producing mediocrity is inevitable. There is always a left side of the bell curve. And, given room, we have plenty of space for our own mediocre people. Robots don't install HVACs or repair car bodywork.

Importing millions of illegals, with an IQ distribution somewhat to the left of westerners, that has issues. And it crowds out our own mediocre people into welfare.


I'm not talking about illegals. Screw them. So tell me, do you want the best and brightest cutting you open or will a mediocre dropout do for your next surgery? You may not care much if the guy picking vegetables can count on his fingers or not but sooner or later you will be paying for his FSA membership when the farmer buys a machine that can do it cheaper and faster. With over 49 million unemployed we don't need more finger counters to join the ranks. We do need well educated people in fields that most of those unemployed can not qualify for. That is the price of mediocrity and we can't afford it. Those who dropout should be automatically disqualified for any kind of benefits or handouts. That alone should thin some of the herd of FSA recruits and discourage illegal immigration.
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How??

With fire and sword.

Old Testament stylez.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 10:20:21 AM EDT
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Immigrants will come here as long as Americans won't show up sober to pound nails.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 10:28:29 AM EDT
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Anyone who thinks a single thing will change in this country with our current system and ploitical scum is delusional.
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 10:37:40 AM EDT
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The way you end immigration is to breed enough workers locally.  Our problem is 2 fold.  Our welfare system does not produce workers.  It produces parasites - few decent working Americans want to work for what the immigrants will - no reason when welfare pays better.  Second issue - illegal workers are cheaper than legal ones because workforce laws can be ignored.  Why  pay minimum wage, obamacare, and taxes when an illegal will work for less cash (and no taxes)

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Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.
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Is that a typo?

The problem is illegal immigration.


I would argue that the  problem of illegal immigration is tied to legal immigration. We have issues with both that need to be resolved to have things in harmony.
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Ebola is Obama's plan.
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AGREE.  The Romans found this out the hard way too.
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Give everyone a puppy and send them home.
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Raise interest rates.  Everything falls apart.  Home will look better then.
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IBTL
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My dad came here from a third world country. So screw you, OP, I like being an American.

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Things need to get much worse before the opportunity will arise to make things better. The quicker it happens the the better the odds of the right circumstances falling into play. The slow boil is the biggest threat to any realistic turn-around to this destruction of our founding father's dream.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: as sure as the sun will rise, the dumbest goddamned thing I read on any given day will be in ARFCOM GD.
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