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1.) Montana2.) Brady
3.) Manning

not a knock on Manning ... Brady has done more with less and playoff performance needs to be factored in when considering the GOAT.

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Better than Joe Montana? I don't think so, and Joe never ever got blown out in a super bowl or choked in big games like Peyton does all the time.

It's a different league where the rules favor the wide receiver a lot more and the rules protect the QB much more. That is why current day QBs will break old records, because the game has been changed for officiating to favor offense.

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So all of you agreeing that Manning is the best QB based on some stats...do you also think Emmitt Smith is the best RB over Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders?

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He is good, but I keep thinking  " he didn't catch one of those , now 510, passes." You have to give A LOT of the credit to the receivers that caught all those passes.


EBR^^^

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Ok, so the AFC East has been a "shit division"? How good was the AFC South when Manning was there? Looked like a "Shit Division" as well.

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oh for fucks sake.

the real patriots cheating was holding receivers all the way down the field and bringing 7.

but the league allowed it until they didn't.

it wasn't spy gate.

It was pass interference finally getting called that hurt the patriots.

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My only point being, is that the AFC South and the AFC East have been pretty consistently competitive. I'd seriously not consider either one of them to have been "weak" divisions this past decade or so...

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Rings matter period. Dan Marino was great but he has no rings. Records are good for personal recognition, rings are good for what you did for your team.

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It's one tool to assess the performance of a quarterback, not the only one. I'd still put Brett Favre in my top twenty, despite his mediocre pass rating. But it's not a coincidence that most of the guys near the top of the passer rating list are great QBs. Aaron Rodgers at #1, and Peyton at #2.

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AFC East is so crappy alright. Crappy enough to have a team in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game each of the last five years. Crappy enough to have a team in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game ten of the last 13 years.

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  Lol... Do you even know what "spy gate" was? If you think any competitive edge was gained you should really look into what it really was.

<snip>a staffer pointed a camera at an opposing team’s coaches from across the field. And it had gone on for nearly a decade — since Belichick took over the Pats in 2000, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell later revealed.<snip>

It was so obvious, the Pats were busted several times before Spygate erupted, including a year earlier, during a 35-0 thrashing of Green Bay.

The Packers spotted Pats video assistant Matt Estrella — who was also shooting the video during the Jets game the next season — shooting unauthorized video from the sidelines. He was asked to leave — then was spotted doing it from a tunnel, which got him booted from Lambeau Field.
,<snip>.

Chris Mortensen, who reported at the time that the Pats did not “have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.”

Quarterbacks communicate with the sidelines via microphones in their helmets that pick up an NFL-monitored radio frequency. An NFL sideline official cuts off communications on this frequency 15 seconds before the play clock runs out.

Offensive plays would be called based on stolen signals and the information relayed straight to Brady’s helmet, O’Leary theorizes.

In this scenario, the extra frequency is critical, as it allows the team to do something in real time with the stolen signals, out of earshot of the NFL monitor, and change its plays accordingly. <snip>

Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

“He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” ­according to O’Leary.

“The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.” <snip>

That same year, Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from. <snip>

On Sept. 20, the NFL announced the Pats handed over six tapes and two days later said little about what the recordings contained — only that they had been destroyed.

“When somebody has a hit that looks suspicious, it takes the league three to four days of looking at a tape, then they ­issue a fine,” O’Leary said.

“In this case, they had a team that potentially stole three Super Bowls, and they issued a verdict in four days. Does that sound like the NFL was trying to get to the bottom of anything?”<snip>

Arlen Specter, who requested a meeting with Goodell in November 2008 to learn why the tapes had been destroyed.<snip>

What Specter learned from the one-hour, 40-minute sitdown in February 2008 was that the Pats had been spying on opposing teams for nearly a decade, ever since Belichick’s first year as head coach of the Pats.<snip>

“There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over,” said Specter, who called for an independent probe similar to a Mitchell Report on performance-<snip>

even after a long-delayed meeting in May 2008 between Goodell and Matt Walsh, an ex-Pats videographer who worked for the team from 2000 to 2002. Walsh came forward and eventually handed the league eight additional tapes, including evidence that the team was swiping in-game defensive and offensive signals against ­Miami, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and San Diego in 2000 and 2001.<snip>

Why does Belichick continue to hire cardboard cutouts for coordinators – young people with no experience or older failures – or hire no coordinators at all? Is it interesting that one such young failure, Josh McDaniels, was caught video cheating soon after he moved to Denver?