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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:12:33 PM EDT
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Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. Agreed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:13:02 PM EDT
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At a federal level, I'd say so.
At a state level, no. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:13:40 PM EDT
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Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:14:26 PM EDT
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You're talking about voting, right? (Might want to fix your title).
My answer is "no" (i.e., demanding I.D. is fine with me). |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:18:02 PM EDT
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Funny how the people bitching the loudest cannot defend the following comments
ID's are needed to travel on commercial aircraft ID's are needed for opening a bank account ID's are needed for cashing checks ID's are needed for employment ID's are needed for school it isn't about the ID...it is all about the fraudulent vote. the ones fighting for this the hardest...enjoy the fraudulent vote. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:18:40 PM EDT
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Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs This. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:19:42 PM EDT
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If I have to have a photo ID to exercise my 2nd amendment right at a LGS (and everywhere here in NY) then they can show ID to vote. Fuck 'em "it doesn't significantly burden the right of the people to vote and they have many ID options to choose from." only replace vote with "own guns" and ID with "firearms." Use their rationale against them, just like Dershowitz warned them we would.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:21:31 PM EDT
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Agreed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. Agreed. This |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:21:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:30:04 PM EDT
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It is ironinc. The Mexican government requires a specific voter ID to vote in Mexican elections. No ID=No voting there.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how the people bitching the loudest cannot defend the following comments ID's are needed to travel on commercial aircraft ID's are needed for opening a bank account ID's are needed for cashing checks ID's are needed for employment ID's are needed for school it isn't about the ID...it is all about the fraudulent vote. the ones fighting for this the hardest...enjoy the fraudulent vote. Ayyyuuppp |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:32:36 PM EDT
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Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs This. that just protects from double, triple voting. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:45:22 PM EDT
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that just protects from double, triple voting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs This. that just protects from double, triple voting. It also pretty well solves the problem of the dead casting a ballot. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:57:54 PM EDT
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If you control who where and when the IDs are issued than you control the election.
Do you really want the government (current administration) to decide if you can get a voter ID? |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 1:59:28 PM EDT
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I didn't accumulate all my age privilege to go back to getting my ID checked when I buy booze and smokes. Voting I am ok with.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:01:06 PM EDT
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If you present a ID to vote, have you created joinder?
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:01:42 PM EDT
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It's a hallmark of democracy. It's an affront to liberty. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:03:24 PM EDT
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The US is not a democracy
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:04:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how the people bitching the loudest cannot defend the following comments ID's are needed to travel on commercial aircraft ID's are needed for opening a bank account ID's are needed for cashing checks ID's are needed for employment ID's are needed for school it isn't about the ID...it is all about the fraudulent vote. the ones fighting for this the hardest...enjoy the fraudulent vote. ID's are needed for government mandatory mandated medical insurance |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Depends on what the person wants. Cash a check...ID. Rent a trailer or car...ID....etc. as common sense dictates.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:06:25 PM EDT
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The US is not a democracy You haven't been paying attention when the Republic was dying. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:06:49 PM EDT
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Owning a gun is a right, just as much as voting. Yet we have to present an ID to buy one of those. To be intellectually consistent, liberals should be as much against photo ID for gun purchases as they are for voting.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:07:06 PM EDT
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If you control who where and when the IDs are issued than you control the election. Do you really want the government (current administration) to decide if you can get a voter ID? 
IDs are issued by the state, not by the federal government. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:08:20 PM EDT
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Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. For what? For voting, or for just walking down the street? One is appropriate, the other is bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:11:32 PM EDT
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Owning a gun is a right, just as much as voting. Yet we have to present an ID to buy one of those. To be intellectually consistent, liberals should be as much against photo ID for gun purchases as they are for voting. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:13:42 PM EDT
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Here it's all ballot by mail. No voting booths at all. ID's/purple finger are useless. Wholesale voter fraud. People raid the ballots from the old folks homes and fill them out. One person can cast the vote of hundreds of others.
Even if you only vote your one ballot, they can throw it out by claiming the signature on the ballot doesn't look like the signature on file. They can do this for whole areas where they predict opposition. Completely changing the outcome of the election. You'll never know if your ballot was tossed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:14:31 PM EDT
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It also pretty well solves the problem of the dead casting a ballot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Libs say No photo id law? OK, purple thumbs This. that just protects from double, triple voting. It also pretty well solves the problem of the dead casting a ballot. No it doesn't, unless we do away with mail in and absentee ballots. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:14:37 PM EDT
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On one hand it makes some sense. On the other hand, how prevalent is voter fraud? I've never seen a report with any thing I'd deem significant. Is the added cost and bureaucracy worth it? They already have to register and get a registered voting card. I worked the 2004 election in MO, and they way they had it set up seems reasonable. I don't think anyone voted who shouldn't have.
It's like people who think we should have a gun license. The fraction of unlawful gun users doesn't make it prudent that the vast majority of lawful ones should be inconvenience and treated like a criminal. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:16:05 PM EDT
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@OP for voting? or if you pass a police officer and he asks for ID?
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:16:32 PM EDT
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Not requiring ID in order to vote, is an affront to Democracy.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:18:12 PM EDT
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I honestly believe voting should be restricted like it was when the country was founded.
The truth is most people are ignorant, selfish, and easily manipulated. Only those that are able to rise above this mediocrity should be able to have a say in how our country is run. Otherwise we are plain fucked as democracy* doesn't work. * (to include the "democratic republic" we have now) |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:22:01 PM EDT
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I like to vote. I want it to count. An illegal vote cancels my vote. ID required.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:23:48 PM EDT
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I joined the argument at work over voter ID. One guy from Kentucky said that he knew "lots of people who couldn't afford the $45 every five years for an ID card".
I asked them if those people worked? "Yes" I said they need to work harder because the welfare rats in my barrio all have smart phones let alone an ID card. I asked if those people drove cars? "No" I said they need to get on welfare because in my barrio they all have cars - lots and lots of them - and have big rims and stereos that cost thousands of dollars. I asked if they had a beer or a cigarette once a month. "Yes most do" I said that the cost of that would more than pay for a government issued ID card several times over. I suggested that ID cards be given free to those on welfare/unemployment/disability and that took his argument out. I can't imagine someone so poor they can't scrape up $45 in five years. Even picking up cans along side the road or hustling for change on an off ramp pays that much in a day or two. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:24:20 PM EDT
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I like to vote. I want it to count. An illegal vote cancels my vote. ID required. A dead man's vote cancels yours out. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:25:33 PM EDT
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It shouldn't be required. Neither should ID be required for buying guns.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:29:41 PM EDT
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If I am required to show ID for buying beer I would expect something more important with further ranging effect to at least require the same.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:52:41 PM EDT
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It's an affront to my gun rights.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:54:01 PM EDT
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ID for voting is the only way to go
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly believe voting should be restricted like it was when the country was founded. The truth is most people are ignorant, selfish, and easily manipulated. Only those that are able to rise above this mediocrity should be able to have a say in how our country is run. Otherwise we are plain fucked as democracy* doesn't work. * (to include the "democratic republic" we have now) White ,Male ,land owners?
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:58:30 PM EDT
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No. It is ensuring the rule of "one man, one vote".
That said, a picture ID is a poor substitute for some kind of really effective biometric ID. There is a new system that looks at the irises of both eyes. Your eyes make constant tiny motions that you are not aware of, but this system tracks those motions. Even if you had two real eyeballs, it would be difficult to reproduce those motions at all, and impossible while someone was watching. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:00:24 PM EDT
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Either demand ID for all or nothing. ID is demanded for virtually everything except voting? That's called "bullshit".
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:03:42 PM EDT
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If you present a ID to vote, have you created joinder?
I guess I still don't understand joinder. In all seriousness though, I think we should come up with some sort of scholarship program for people who claim that they cannot afford the cost of obtaining an I.D. Let there be no excuse for these shenanigans. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:09:16 PM EDT
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I don't think there is anything wrong with being able to show you are who you say you are.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:10:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:15:30 PM EDT
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White ,Male ,land owners? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I honestly believe voting should be restricted like it was when the country was founded. The truth is most people are ignorant, selfish, and easily manipulated. Only those that are able to rise above this mediocrity should be able to have a say in how our country is run. Otherwise we are plain fucked as democracy* doesn't work. * (to include the "democratic republic" we have now) White ,Male ,land owners? More along the lines of being a net producer in society and being able to pass a test on government functions and current issues relevant to the country. The white, male, land owner worked back then because most had their shit together. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:20:52 PM EDT
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What if you are broke and can't afford a state issued ID? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution If they can get one of these they can get a photo ID. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:24:46 PM EDT
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If you control who where and when the IDs are issued than you control the election. Do you really want the government (current administration) to decide if you can get a voter ID? How about every American citizen that wants an ID, gets an ID? |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://<a href=http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag395/robertmbennett1/ebt-card_zpsebb7336f.jpg</a>" /> If they can get one of these they can get a photo ID. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well is it? I say no, the real affront is that we don't universally demand a photo ID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution http://<a href=http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag395/robertmbennett1/ebt-card_zpsebb7336f.jpg</a>" /> If they can get one of these they can get a photo ID. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 3:34:55 PM EDT
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The problem with your question is that you don't understand the meaning of the word "democracy". To intelligent people it means one vote per person and everyone getting a say so in their lives. To a Liberal it means doing things their way and their way only.
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