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Posted: 10/19/2014 2:17:01 PM EDT
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What roles do women serve in the military? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What roles do women serve in the military? Well, officially, the same roles as men. But in practice, it is a joke. Their combat load is lighter (men pick up the slack) and also...lady issues every month. But hey, we have PC idiots here too! Quoted:
When did Putin become president of Serbia? Even Putin would do better than our current guys Quoted:
Do you like Bosnians and Croats? Yup. I mean i decide if I like a person, not a nationality. I grew up in a town with maybe 30% muslim population, we got along just fine. Quoted:
I've got some Rakia from Bulgaria. I think it's infused with cherries? It is strong and very tasty... Yeah, you can use any sort of fruit. Cherry, pears, apples, apricots etc. Quoted:
Do Serbs like Bacon as much as U.S. Americans do? As dule1977 said, we do. Most of the people do, but as an addition to some meals (f.e. added into the minced meat or something) but if you like it, you eat it raw. Oh, and good bacon is pricey here. ~4$ for a pound |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 2:29:31 PM EDT
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Why did Serbia have to unleash the horror called Turbo-folk music onto the world? On our alternative musician said "Turbo diesel engine burns up fuel. Turbo folk burns up people". But i can post some good Serbian music, if anyone is interested? Btw, random pictures 
Our team at the 2014 Tank Biathlon in Russia 
Zastava M93 AGL 
Zastava M70, previously owned by Saddam Hussein Bonus, Peshmerga (Kurd) fighter (unrelated to Serbia, but how can you NOT post this) 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 5:50:03 PM EDT
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This is a very interesting thread, thank you for doing it.
My wife is Russian - more accurately Ukrainian, which she is more sensitive about lately - and I can confirm the raw bacon thing  . Many of other the things you mention (organic fruit trees in you're yard, homemade booze and dried meat in the cellar, krasiva stroynia deavatchkas, love/hate of cultures from historical conflict etc) are very similar. I'd love to come visit Serbia someday.
One question I have for you is, do you see yourself living in Serbia for the rest of your life, or would you like to move to another place like the US if you could? I've also worked with lots of eastern Europeans doing software development, they love their cultures and visit family at home frequently, but would never consider moving back home. You had asked what Americans think of Serbia. Speaking for myself, although I think its a valid generalization for most Americans, we don't know enough beyond military and war history to have an opinion. Being with my wife for 10 years helps me get a feel for the issues, but unless there is a natural disaster, violent event, or celebrity hilarity, our daily media doesn't give us much current news. Good luck in your career, I'd be happy advise you if you're considering a US software company, I've worked for a big one for decades. AMA too! |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 5:52:04 PM EDT
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Question.
I know you said the M70 is the standard rifle used by the Serbian Army but I've seen photos of Serb troops on training exercises using East German & Romanian AKM's any reason?
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Posted: 10/19/2014 6:41:10 PM EDT
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Question. I know you said the M70 is the standard rifle used by the Serbian Army but I've seen photos of Serb troops on training exercises using East German & Romanian AKM's any reason? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Question. I know you said the M70 is the standard rifle used by the Serbian Army but I've seen photos of Serb troops on training exercises using East German & Romanian AKM's any reason? I haven't seen those. I saw them use M21 during the exercises (5.56 version) and generally, anything made by Zastava link Quoted:
This is a very interesting thread, thank you for doing it. My wife is Russian - more accurately Ukrainian, which she is more sensitive about lately - and I can confirm the raw bacon thing . Many of other the things you mention (organic fruit trees in you're yard, homemade booze and dried meat in the cellar, krasiva stroynia deavatchkas, love/hate of cultures from historical conflict etc) are very similar. I'd love to come visit Serbia someday.
One question I have for you is, do you see yourself living in Serbia for the rest of your life, or would you like to move to another place like the US if you could? I've also worked with lots of eastern Europeans doing software development, they love their cultures and visit family at home frequently, but would never consider moving back home. You had asked what Americans think of Serbia. Speaking for myself, although I think its a valid generalization for most Americans, we don't know enough beyond military and war history to have an opinion. Being with my wife for 10 years helps me get a feel for the issues, but unless there is a natural disaster, violent event, or celebrity hilarity, our daily media doesn't give us much current news. Good luck in your career, I'd be happy advise you if you're considering a US software company, I've worked for a big one for decades. AMA too! Wow, thank you for the kind wishes :) Honestly, I would love to get out of here ASAP. Actually, ASAIFC (as soon as I finish college  ). I am working on my CCNA, CCNP, Windows Server etc. certs along the way, hoping that it would help me with getting a job. I have no with to work here for 400-500$ per month (I live with my parents in an apartment we bought and we have around 15 years remaining to pay it off, ~400$ per month), so there is little chance that I could get a place of my own any time soon. Not to mention a car and other luxuries (even if I had a car, fuel here is around 1.6$ per liter (around 6$ per gallon) and when you work for ~15$ per day, driving is a luxury.
So yeah, I would love to gtfo from Serbia, as much as I love my country And here is a picture just for you dude ^_^ 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 6:45:52 PM EDT
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What are your favorite recipies?
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Posted: 10/19/2014 6:53:18 PM EDT
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Sarma (i will post random links, since I cant really cook, and the recipes are pretty much all different, with people adjusting them for their own taste)
Karadjordjeva (Black George's) Heavenly good stuff And for something simple, stuff like Kacamak or any kind of pasta (with meat sauce/with cheese/with mushrooms/with tomato sauce). Oh, and I've tried this a few weeks ago with a friend two portions of this along with 5 chicken-and-cheese-fried-rolls delivered for ~12$. One of the best meals ever |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen those. I saw them use M21 during the exercises (5.56 version) and generally, anything made by Zastava link Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Question. I know you said the M70 is the standard rifle used by the Serbian Army but I've seen photos of Serb troops on training exercises using East German & Romanian AKM's any reason? I haven't seen those. I saw them use M21 during the exercises (5.56 version) and generally, anything made by Zastava link  |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:05:51 PM EDT
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Beautiful country destroyed by war.
What is the beer known as Nick's or Nik's there? |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:12:53 PM EDT
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Not sure honestly. During the 90's, Zastava produced bunch of random stuff (literally just mashing together various grips/stocks/barrel guards), I've seen some semi-auto PAPs looking similar to that.
But again, it is possible that we got them somehow from Germany or Bulgaria, I will try to ask around :) |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:15:09 PM EDT
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Beautiful country destroyed by war.
What is the beer known as Nick's or Nik's there? Maybe Niksicko? It's translated as "Beer from Niksic" (a town in Montenegro) 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:17:00 PM EDT
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Beautiful country destroyed by war.
What is the beer known as Nick's or Nik's there? I think you are talking about Niksicko beer. |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure honestly. During the 90's, Zastava produced bunch of random stuff (literally just mashing together various grips/stocks/barrel guards), I've seen some semi-auto PAPs looking similar to that. But again, it is possible that we got them somehow from Germany or Bulgaria, I will try to ask around :) |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:25:13 PM EDT
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Maybe Niksicko? It's translated as "Beer from Niksic" (a town in Montenegro) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hml17Vq4urA/UGC78NI-hGI/AAAAAAAABAw/4OxNgxw6BBw/s1600/IMG_6799b.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beautiful country destroyed by war.
What is the beer known as Nick's or Nik's there? Maybe Niksicko? It's translated as "Beer from Niksic" (a town in Montenegro) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hml17Vq4urA/UGC78NI-hGI/AAAAAAAABAw/4OxNgxw6BBw/s1600/IMG_6799b.JPG That has to be it. My dad drank it while visiting Split and Dubrovnik back in the 90s as that was what the locals were drinking. He said the first couple of sips tasted OK... As it got warmer, he said he couldn't drink it. He says that the locals referred to it as Big Nik's or Old Nik's? Not to be confused with the excellent Young's Old Nick barley wine. 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:44:45 PM EDT
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That has to be it. My dad drank it while visiting Split and Dubrovnik back in the 90s as that was what the locals were drinking. He said the first couple of sips tasted OK... As it got warmer, he said he couldn't drink it. He says that the locals referred to it as Big Nik's or Old Nik's? Not to be confused with the excellent Young's Old Nick barley wine.
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That has to be it. My dad drank it while visiting Split and Dubrovnik back in the 90s as that was what the locals were drinking. He said the first couple of sips tasted OK... As it got warmer, he said he couldn't drink it. He says that the locals referred to it as Big Nik's or Old Nik's? Not to be confused with the excellent Young's Old Nick barley wine.
Yeah, that's it, the most popular beer on the Adriatic coast probably Quoted:Might have been captured stuff. The Kosovo border police field E German AK's or they did. Totally possible. On Kosovo, some people brought their own stuff that remained from the war in Bosnia (it was allowed unofficially) |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Well, Serbs hate it too because it links us to a trashy gore-flick. It's not even that gross if you watch some of the more exotic Japanese offerings EVERYONE here has stashes, especially when you get closer to the border of Bosnia. AKs are most commonly stashed, with some Zastava m56s mixed in. Also, plenty of vz58 copies Possible. But I have decent speed intewebz, so porn is not needed 
Yeah, that hate is long lasting. Serbs and Croats are like... Israeli and Palestinians pretty much, without the whole "shooting rockets every day" deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you feel about A Serbian Film? Well, Serbs hate it too because it links us to a trashy gore-flick. It's not even that gross if you watch some of the more exotic Japanese offerings Originally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
Are there any stashes of M-48 mausers left? EVERYONE here has stashes, especially when you get closer to the border of Bosnia. AKs are most commonly stashed, with some Zastava m56s mixed in. Also, plenty of vz58 copies Quoted:
Can you send me cheap PAP parts and ammo? I'll send you porn in trade. Possible. But I have decent speed intewebz, so porn is not needed
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I worked with a Croat in the 90s, he didn't have a lot of nice things to say about Serbs. Yeah, that hate is long lasting. Serbs and Croats are like... Israeli and Palestinians pretty much, without the whole "shooting rockets every day" deal. Wait what is more fucked up then the A Serbian film 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 8:12:16 PM EDT
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Turbofolk :)
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Posted: 10/19/2014 8:16:31 PM EDT
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I haven't seen those. I saw them use M21 during the exercises (5.56 version) and generally, anything made by Zastava link Wow, thank you for the kind wishes :) Honestly, I would love to get out of here ASAP. Actually, ASAIFC (as soon as I finish college ). I am working on my CCNA, CCNP, Windows Server etc. certs along the way, hoping that it would help me with getting a job. I have no with to work here for 400-500$ per month (I live with my parents in an apartment we bought and we have around 15 years remaining to pay it off, ~400$ per month), so there is little chance that I could get a place of my own any time soon. Not to mention a car and other luxuries (even if I had a car, fuel here is around 1.6$ per liter (around 6$ per gallon) and when you work for ~15$ per day, driving is a luxury.
So yeah, I would love to gtfo from Serbia, as much as I love my country And here is a picture just for you dude ^_^ https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10492493_10152448848713672_2341619551314610218_n.jpg?oh=a258561905adb8fe63790cb4845d86cf&oe=54BA55E0 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Question. I know you said the M70 is the standard rifle used by the Serbian Army but I've seen photos of Serb troops on training exercises using East German & Romanian AKM's any reason? I haven't seen those. I saw them use M21 during the exercises (5.56 version) and generally, anything made by Zastava link Quoted:
This is a very interesting thread, thank you for doing it. My wife is Russian - more accurately Ukrainian, which she is more sensitive about lately - and I can confirm the raw bacon thing . Many of other the things you mention (organic fruit trees in you're yard, homemade booze and dried meat in the cellar, krasiva stroynia deavatchkas, love/hate of cultures from historical conflict etc) are very similar. I'd love to come visit Serbia someday.
One question I have for you is, do you see yourself living in Serbia for the rest of your life, or would you like to move to another place like the US if you could? I've also worked with lots of eastern Europeans doing software development, they love their cultures and visit family at home frequently, but would never consider moving back home. You had asked what Americans think of Serbia. Speaking for myself, although I think its a valid generalization for most Americans, we don't know enough beyond military and war history to have an opinion. Being with my wife for 10 years helps me get a feel for the issues, but unless there is a natural disaster, violent event, or celebrity hilarity, our daily media doesn't give us much current news. Good luck in your career, I'd be happy advise you if you're considering a US software company, I've worked for a big one for decades. AMA too! Wow, thank you for the kind wishes :) Honestly, I would love to get out of here ASAP. Actually, ASAIFC (as soon as I finish college ). I am working on my CCNA, CCNP, Windows Server etc. certs along the way, hoping that it would help me with getting a job. I have no with to work here for 400-500$ per month (I live with my parents in an apartment we bought and we have around 15 years remaining to pay it off, ~400$ per month), so there is little chance that I could get a place of my own any time soon. Not to mention a car and other luxuries (even if I had a car, fuel here is around 1.6$ per liter (around 6$ per gallon) and when you work for ~15$ per day, driving is a luxury.
So yeah, I would love to gtfo from Serbia, as much as I love my country And here is a picture just for you dude ^_^ https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10492493_10152448848713672_2341619551314610218_n.jpg?oh=a258561905adb8fe63790cb4845d86cf&oe=54BA55E0 Oh yeah.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 12:10:02 AM EDT
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Plenty :). Like what's your opinion on Serbia (for starters) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any questions you may have about the USA? Plenty :). Like what's your opinion on Serbia (for starters) Honestly, and not to be a dick, when I think of Serbs I think of rapists and murderers after all the atrocities they committed during the war. I know that isn't fair to the country as a whole, but it is what I remember about your country. I remember reading the book below in college (around the age of 19), and at the time, the level of savagery shocked me. I was still naive at that age. I hadn't learned yet that human beings are nothing more than animals and how lucky we are to live in the US. 
http://www.amazon.com/The-Graves-Srebrenica-And-Vukovar/dp/3931141764 |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 12:17:26 AM EDT
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Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world
1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 12:19:31 AM EDT
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Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Not even close. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 1:11:06 AM EDT
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Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Not even close. So, the Muslims peacably immigrated there from Mecca? Nope. The only non-Christians there got there by having ancestors who invaded the area or are the descendants of original inhabitants who converted to Islam. Grossly oversimplified but true. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 1:14:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2014 2:27:25 AM EDT
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Are there many Asians in that part of the world? If there are, where are they from mostly? Are Chinese companies planning to invest in that area as they do in other parts of the world?
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:46:40 AM EDT
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Are there many Asians in that part of the world? If there are, are they from mostly? Are Chinese companies planning to invest in that area as they do in other parts of the world? I don't know about Serbia, but there have been an influx of Chinese to Bosnia coming legally and illegally. They're flooding out markets with cheap made junk. So much is counterfit. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cool thread. I think we backed the wrong folks. You're wrong. I have nothing against OP (and I'm a big fan of Zastava built weapons) but I agree.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 4:44:23 PM EDT
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Wait what is more fucked up then the A Serbian film Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wait what is more fucked up then the A Serbian film Oh, there is a whole new world for you to explore :D Quoted:
Honestly, and not to be a dick, when I think of Serbs I think of rapists and murderers after all the atrocities they committed during the war. I know that isn't fair to the country as a whole, but it is what I remember about your country. I remember reading the book below in college (around the age of 19), and at the time, the level of savagery shocked me. I was still naive at that age. I hadn't learned yet that human beings are nothing more than animals and how lucky we are to live in the US. You can make a list of books supporting every single side in that war. Everyone involved did some really bad things. It's only that the Serbs are (because of that prick Milosevic and the aftermath of the war which he rode to popularity) get the short end of the stick. Not 20 miles from my own house (I come from a small town on the border with Bosnia) Muslims stormed the village and dropped grenades in every basement where they heard anyone hiding (elders, women and children mostly, men were drafted). And you cant read that in a book. Quoted:
Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Most of them in Balkans are either from Turkey (or their offspring) or converts. Serbia was under harsh Ottoman rule (with stuff like "Day in Blood" where the Turks would come and take one male child from every family to train them as an army of converts) so people had a strong reason to convert in order to save their lives and their children. Quoted:
Are there many Asians in that part of the world? If there are, where are they from mostly? Are Chinese companies planning to invest in that area as they do in other parts of the world? Not really. They come here to sell "made in china" junk, and they do that exclusively. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 4:49:01 PM EDT
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Honestly, and not to be a dick, when I think of Serbs I think of rapists and murderers after all the atrocities they committed during the war. I know that isn't fair to the country as a whole, but it is what I remember about your country. I remember reading the book below in college (around the age of 19), and at the time, the level of savagery shocked me. I was still naive at that age. I hadn't learned yet that human beings are nothing more than animals and how lucky we are to live in the US. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AQ0ME9AFL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg http://www.amazon.com/The-Graves-Srebrenica-And-Vukovar/dp/3931141764 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any questions you may have about the USA? Plenty :). Like what's your opinion on Serbia (for starters) Honestly, and not to be a dick, when I think of Serbs I think of rapists and murderers after all the atrocities they committed during the war. I know that isn't fair to the country as a whole, but it is what I remember about your country. I remember reading the book below in college (around the age of 19), and at the time, the level of savagery shocked me. I was still naive at that age. I hadn't learned yet that human beings are nothing more than animals and how lucky we are to live in the US. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AQ0ME9AFL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg http://www.amazon.com/The-Graves-Srebrenica-And-Vukovar/dp/3931141764 The other sides in the Bosnia debacle were easily just as bad. 
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Posted: 10/20/2014 4:52:31 PM EDT
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Oh, and here is some nice Serbian music, just to let you know that not everything here is turbofolk
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Posted: 10/20/2014 4:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:2.What are the gun laws like in Serbia? There is a pretty popular gun channel on youtube which I believe is out of Slovenia and while it's not Serbia it's within the same region? I know Croatia has been trying for years to get people to turn in weapons but there are still plenty out there.....But getting off track what are Serbian gun laws like? (Partly answered already but would like to know more)
Oh, I've just remembered a thing i forgot. If you want to carry your own gun to a shooting range, you have to carry it disassembled (I think 2 parts minimum, so just removing the slide should be ok) and packed away from your ammo. And you can't get a CCW permit unless you have a special permission (basically, if you are a cop who turned private security or smth) |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 5:02:31 PM EDT
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There is a Youtube button next to the image button in the post editor. Remove the s from https in the link.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 5:06:49 PM EDT
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Fix'd, thank you :)
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Posted: 10/20/2014 5:11:13 PM EDT
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Oh, there is a whole new world for you to explore :D You can make a list of books supporting every single side in that war. Everyone involved did some really bad things. It's only that the Serbs are (because of that prick Milosevic and the aftermath of the war which he rode to popularity) get the short end of the stick. Not 20 miles from my own house (I come from a small town on the border with Bosnia) Muslims stormed the village and dropped grenades in every basement where they heard anyone hiding (elders, women and children mostly, men were drafted). And you cant read that in a book. Most of them in Balkans are either from Turkey (or their offspring) or converts. Serbia was under harsh Ottoman rule (with stuff like "Day in Blood" where the Turks would come and take one male child from every family to train them as an army of converts) so people had a strong reason to convert in order to save their lives and their children. Not really. They come here to sell "made in china" junk, and they do that exclusively. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait what is more fucked up then the A Serbian film Oh, there is a whole new world for you to explore :D Quoted:
Honestly, and not to be a dick, when I think of Serbs I think of rapists and murderers after all the atrocities they committed during the war. I know that isn't fair to the country as a whole, but it is what I remember about your country. I remember reading the book below in college (around the age of 19), and at the time, the level of savagery shocked me. I was still naive at that age. I hadn't learned yet that human beings are nothing more than animals and how lucky we are to live in the US. You can make a list of books supporting every single side in that war. Everyone involved did some really bad things. It's only that the Serbs are (because of that prick Milosevic and the aftermath of the war which he rode to popularity) get the short end of the stick. Not 20 miles from my own house (I come from a small town on the border with Bosnia) Muslims stormed the village and dropped grenades in every basement where they heard anyone hiding (elders, women and children mostly, men were drafted). And you cant read that in a book. Quoted:
Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Most of them in Balkans are either from Turkey (or their offspring) or converts. Serbia was under harsh Ottoman rule (with stuff like "Day in Blood" where the Turks would come and take one male child from every family to train them as an army of converts) so people had a strong reason to convert in order to save their lives and their children. Quoted:
Are there many Asians in that part of the world? If there are, where are they from mostly? Are Chinese companies planning to invest in that area as they do in other parts of the world? Not really. They come here to sell "made in china" junk, and they do that exclusively. So, pretty much what I said--MK262 should take note. But he can't. He knows everything already. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:23:58 PM EDT
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:28:20 PM EDT
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:32:21 PM EDT
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So, the Muslims peacably immigrated there from Mecca? Nope. The only non-Christians there got there by having ancestors who invaded the area or are the descendants of original inhabitants who converted to Islam. Grossly oversimplified but true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Not even close. So, the Muslims peacably immigrated there from Mecca? Nope. The only non-Christians there got there by having ancestors who invaded the area or are the descendants of original inhabitants who converted to Islam. Grossly oversimplified but true. So grossly oversimplified that it's just as untrue. eta I will expand upon this as you request when I got some time tonight |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:35:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:39:08 PM EDT
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This is a very interesting thread, thank you for doing it. My wife is Russian - more accurately Ukrainian, which she is more sensitive about lately - and I can confirm the raw bacon thing . Many of other the things you mention (organic fruit trees in you're yard, homemade booze and dried meat in the cellar, krasiva stroynia deavatchkas, love/hate of cultures from historical conflict etc) are very similar. I'd love to come visit Serbia someday.
One question I have for you is, do you see yourself living in Serbia for the rest of your life, or would you like to move to another place like the US if you could? I've also worked with lots of eastern Europeans doing software development, they love their cultures and visit family at home frequently, but would never consider moving back home. You had asked what Americans think of Serbia. Speaking for myself, although I think its a valid generalization for most Americans, we don't know enough beyond military and war history to have an opinion. Being with my wife for 10 years helps me get a feel for the issues, but unless there is a natural disaster, violent event, or celebrity hilarity, our daily media doesn't give us much current news. Good luck in your career, I'd be happy advise you if you're considering a US software company, I've worked for a big one for decades. AMA too! At my high school one of the most popular kids in the school, who was also one of the most personable/friendly, was Serbian. I found out during the conflict and it surprised me that I would know anyone with family in the region. So on a personal level the only Serbian I knew seemed like a really cool guy. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:42:12 PM EDT
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Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them... You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:49:19 PM EDT
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Has the Bulgarian Armed Forces ever used Serbian AK's?
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:51:47 PM EDT
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So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them... You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them... You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. Might makes right between nations. It always has and always will. They don't follow rules except when it suits their interests. So eff em. It would be Serbia again if we hadn't intervened to hand their heartland over to the hadjis. Given the benefits which have accrued from that choice, it appears suboptimal. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Pretty much the people who are Muslimi in that part of the world 1. Invaders and their offspring 2. Converted to Islam when it was dominant to get a better life, fucking over their fellow Christians Pretty much? Not even close. So, the Muslims peacably immigrated there from Mecca? Nope. The only non-Christians there got there by having ancestors who invaded the area or are the descendants of original inhabitants who converted to Islam. Grossly oversimplified but true. So grossly oversimplified that it's just as untrue. eta I will expand upon this as you request when I got some time tonight Are you really gonna spew your "History according to albanians" BS again ......? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:56:51 PM EDT
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My only beef with Serbia is that during the civil war, you had ethnic Hungarians doing alot of the initial fighting which didn't seem right to me at the time.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 6:59:00 PM EDT
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So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them...(you mean they conqured those areas, then lost them, big difference) You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them...(you mean they conqured those areas, then lost them, big difference) You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. Any Indian trying anything with my family will get lead poisoning. I'm not giving anything back. But if they were able to kick us out, I wouldn't cry about it (The way the Muslim invaders have, begging Christians to save their asses) and I could understand it. We shouldn't be involved in many places, you and I do agree on that. and a FIFY red part. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 7:11:41 PM EDT
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Might makes right between nations. It always has and always will. They don't follow rules except when it suits their interests. So eff em. It would be Serbia again if we hadn't intervened to hand their heartland over to the hadjis. Given the benefits which have accrued from that choice, it appears suboptimal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Majority of the bosnian muslims use to be orthodox or catholic prior to converting to islam under the ottoman empire .... Fuck em. No sympathy for them. Was none of our business. We just got in the way of the Reconquista. If the handwringers were around in Spain it would still be Muslim. I don't support murder and rape but if the Serbs wanted to take their land back from the traitor Christian/Turned ROPer's offspring and the children of the ROPer invaders, what business do we have there? None So, I asume based on your logic you would have no problem with Indians going around slaughtering "European Traitors" known as Americans? Or Roman ancestors (Italians) conquering Germany, Greece, France, England, etc... because it used to belong to them... You have no idea about the subject matter and my guess your hatred for a certain religion makes you much more ignorant regarding this matter. One thing you got correct. USA didn't need to get involved. As they shouldn't be involved in lots of conflicts. But they had to because Europeans are a bunch of liberal pussies that love sucking the US taxpayers dry. Might makes right between nations. It always has and always will. They don't follow rules except when it suits their interests. So eff em. It would be Serbia again if we hadn't intervened to hand their heartland over to the hadjis. Given the benefits which have accrued from that choice, it appears suboptimal. That makes as much sense as Palestinians demanding Jews to leave Israel. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 7:47:54 PM EDT
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Are you really gonna spew your "History according to albanians" BS again ......? Actually, I won't bother with any of it. It's beyond my power to persuade those who eat and drink ignorance and propaganda. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:11:20 AM EDT
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$200 for a Full auto AK and $2.5 for marlboro's? Dude I'm moving to Serbia.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:18:50 AM EDT
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Ok, trick question....
How do you, if you do, remove Kebab?  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 5:43:05 AM EDT
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$200 for a Full auto AK and $2.5 for marlboro's? Dude I'm moving to Serbia. Want to switch places?
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Ok, trick question.... How do you, if you do, remove Kebab?
Serbia stronk! :D. I've actually been on a wedding where they played that song
Anyhow guys, here is my opinion on the '90s war. After Slovenia got it's independence (with surprisingly small number of victims), everyone realized that SFRY is falling apart. Then, some (a-hole) leaders gathered people around the religious/nationalist causes, to try to take biggest peace of cake. It was a free-for-all, a scramble for territory (and factories/resources spread through the country). But the thing is, the seat of YPA (Yugoslavian People's Army) was in Serbia, so in the start, Serbia had the most manpower/war resources. Smart lobbying against that, made us the bad guys (Muslims and Croats got plenty of international help to even the odds, while our army got crippled by diplomacy). So then, some other Serbs started gathering volunteers for paramilitaries, to avoid those diplomatic issues (and, at the same time, to evade the "communism" issue in YPA). And, as in every war, some people fought for survival, some fought for money, some for religion, some just because they had a thirst for blood. And those people could be found on all the sides in this war. So it would be the best for us to get over it, since fighting a war that is long over brings us nothing but useless hate these days. We should try helping each other instead (remember, as an example, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia and Serbia were able to make one of the best t72 copies in the world, and that tank was among the best when it got introduced. Cooperative industry could bring prosperity to the whole region, but it wont happen if people keep getting butthurt over a war that ended 20 years ago |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:57:41 AM EDT
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What's your favorite guitar?
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