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Systematic rape, murder, and ethnic cleansing is hard to forget or not be "butt hurt" by.

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Systematic rape, murder, and ethnic cleansing is hard to forget or not be "butt hurt" by.

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What's your favorite kind of music from the US? I love me some 70s/80s. I could listen to ELO and Hall & Oates all day.

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Btw, guys, I have just realized that I have some pictures I've taken from our Armament Expo (pretty much military industry expo, with some guns from Zastava, plenty of vehicles etc). You want me to dig them up and upload? I think it's form 2013 fair, maybe even 2012 (I've got a summer job in a company that makes landing gears for small airplanes, so I've got a pass (it was closed for public until the last day).

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Btw, guys, I have just realized that I have some pictures I've taken from our Armament Expo (pretty much military industry expo, with some guns from Zastava, plenty of vehicles etc). You want me to dig them up and upload? I think it's form 2013 fair, maybe even 2012 (I've got a summer job in a company that makes landing gears for small airplanes, so I've got a pass (it was closed for public until the last day).

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Btw, guys, I have just realized that I have some pictures I've taken from our Armament Expo (pretty much military industry expo, with some guns from Zastava, plenty of vehicles etc). You want me to dig them up and upload? I think it's form 2013 fair, maybe even 2012 (I've got a summer job in a company that makes landing gears for small airplanes, so I've got a pass (it was closed for public until the last day).

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not trying to be a dick.

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You're failing pretty miserably at the "not being a dick" thing.  And the atrocities of the Bosnian conflict were perpetrated by all sides.  The Serbs were just way better at kicking ass raping and slaughtering innocent men,  women and children , so we made them the bad guys.

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Tell ya what, gtfo and stop shitting in this dudes thread. he's seems like a decent sort, while you come off as a, and you guessed it, a dick.

I'm not arguing for or against any war crimes perpetrated by either side, but the OP most certainly didnt commit any, and seeing as how this thread is about the OP, kindly see your self elsewhere.

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As a Serb, what three weapons from the USA would want to own?

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Five years on the ground there.

Tons of photos here.


I post this about every two years.

I am not going to list numbers but the U.S. Army has very few Personnel left in Kosovo.
I spent five years there during 2000-2007 Got hurt and sent back to the U.S. Jan 2007.

You should start with the break up of Yugoslavia as the modern start point.

The Locals will tell you you have to understand the battle of the field of the black birds.
That was June 15, 1389.

A simplified version. I can talk about this for hours.
Bosnia was over for the most part when the Kosovo "war" started.
Bosnia was a blood bath. It was a 3 way slug fest between the Serbs, Croats, and Muslims. With any two groups joining together to attack the third, and then each other.
There are mass graves in Bosnia with 800 bodies in them.

Let’s talk about Kosovo.
Kosovo has 1 (one) confirmed mass grave. The official count is 47. The locals told me it was 17, but OK, we will go with 47.
There were NO prison camps, work camps, rape camps in Kosovo.

The Kosovo situation was started by a terrorist organization called the KLA. They started ambushing police patrols, attacking outlying villages. Milosevic taking a lot of heat for the goings on in Bosnia (and well deserved) Came down like a hammer. He thought for sure the world would back him on this as it was attacks on Serb territory and people.
Milosevic never understood international politics.

Some how the International Community that had done next to nothing for all of the Bosnia Slaughter Jumped in on Kosovo.
The Bosnian Albanians are still pissed about this as they wanted the KLA to attack WHILE the Bosnia war was running, splitting the Serb forces. The Albanians are however far better at propaganda to the international audience. Worked for them during the war. Milosevic kept repeating the same nationalist local election crap that sell so well in the Balkans never understanding he was by then addressing the world.
In five years in Kosovo I met four or five Albanians that actually fought in the war. Albanians aint fighters as a rule. The first president, Rogava who died in office was hiding in a camp in Italy during the war.
The President there now is one of the "generals" from the war. He is the leader of the LDK party.
They are more of the Mafia party, with a lot of disgruntled former fighters and wannabes as well.

Try to get a DVD or catch a rerun of the BBC's Yugoslavia: Death of a Nation it is a five part documentary that is about as balanced as could be made at that time.
There is a companion book as well, but Stick with the DVD. This is the visual age.

If you like your history dry, Read the works of Noel Malcolm. He covers it from pre history to modern times.

That part of Europe is as hard for an American to understand as America is for them. It may say 'Europe" on the map, but that aint Europe out the window.
People there will hear your name and know where you are from, What province, what village, what religion. Once you speak a word or two they know if you are Bosnian, Albanian, Macedonian or what.
If you live in this village you are that background. This is not a mobile society of the kind we have here. Your name, your words tell all.

Religion had little or nothing to do with the war. It helped define the sides, but was not a catalyst. The Serbs are Serbian Orthodox the Albanians Muslim. Some Mountain Albanians are Roman catholic.


Here is the starting point of serious intervention.

Jan. 7, 1999 - The Senate trial of President Clinton opens.

Jan. 19, 1999 - State of the Union Address. No mention of the impeachment trial.

Jan. 20, 1999 - NATO bombing campaign against Serbia begin.

Jan. 21, 1999 - On the final day of arguments, President Clinton's defense team pleads for "political sanity," stating that the prosecution's case rests on circumstantial evidence and unrelated facts.

Knowing what was going to happen in the Sennett, and needing to get his troubles off the front page, or perhaps derail the impeachment altogether, Clinton acted.
Clinton got involved in the Balkans with 20,000 total killed.
And did nothing in Rwanda that was a slaughter of 1 million.
One Million People....
and Clinton the Humanitarian did nothing.

On March 17-18-19 2004 well coordinated and organized riots struck all of Kosovo.

The "reason ,or excuse" for the riots was a widely reported (on Albanian TV ) incident that 3 young Albanian boys were killed when they jumped into a river to escape a pack of dogs that the Serbs had set on them.
This story had several versions. Usually all the boys drowned, but then some one realized that one of the boys had to live long enough to identify the Serbs as being responsible. So he did.
The Albanian TV (Chanel 21 for those who remember) and radio ran with this story it was on everywhere.

It also turned out not to be factual, but that really didn't matter.

The Serb areas, what few remained were attacked by the Albanians. Hundreds of houses and businesses were burned, the hospitals, the schools. The churches.
Several Serbs were killed. I don’t recall the figure now but 30 to 40.

I have a lot of friends on both sides of the conflict, and can spend hours telling you where both are wrong, and why it will start again.
When the Albanians realize that the world could care less, they will start trouble with the Serbs by raids across the border.
Trying to get retaliation by the Serbs, and a new NATO attack on the Serbs.



If you have not been keeping up Serbia has given the store to Russia to keep them happy and helpful on the Kosovo Independence deal. Couple of months ago the Russians were presented with two refineries and a pipeline in Serbia.

Kosovo "Independence" would be laughable if the problems it will cause weren’t so real. Kosovo has no ability to feed itself, an infrastructure that looks like a mad max movie, and extremely limited amount of resources to bargain with.
They have no Army. The National guard they do have has few weapons.
Kosovo has done nothing to earn its Independence. It is a gift bestowed on them by the great powers of the world. And since they have not had to earn it they feel no value in having it. They think of Independence as something you keep in a box.
They are independent but cant run the country, defend the country, pay for the workings of a country, feed the country.

I had educated people there tell me that Kosovo would be the 51st state of the United States. This was not a joke. They expected the US to adopt and care for them.

Few years from now you will see them start formal talks to become part of Albania. Macedonia and Montenegro are already having problems with Albanian separatist groups in their countries trying to partition off parts.
In 02 Macedonia was on the edge of civil war when some of the Albanian groups openly attacked. Whole areas were cut off. This came to a halt when the U.S. sent in Army representatives to explain to the Albanians The US would not help them break away from Macedonia. And in fact the US would help the Macedonian government. The Albanians stopped the overt attacks and went to ground shocked. Had not the US just helped the Albanians in Kosovo?

NOI