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Quoted: FYI: and here i'm assuming he came in through DFW ; Number of on-airport employees: approx. 60,000 Number of daily passengers: approx. 165,580 not good. View Quote If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? |
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Unfortunately, it sounds like this guy was already to the bleeding out stage when he finally decided to go to the hospital. That puts him awfully close to symptomatic during his travels... Let's not forget that this current strain of Ebola has been shown to be infectious a day or two BEFORE onset of symptoms. I'm really beginning to wonder about the folks who are parroting the CDC's erroneous information like a, "Everything's gonna be alright", mantra of magical protection. This current strain is DIFFERENT that the ones in the past. And, it's gonna keep killing folks until we wake up and recognize it as such. Will it progress in the USA like it has in Africa, I doubt it. Nonetheless, people are gonna die (that shouldn't have) because of the institutionalized idiocy of the status quo mindset found in the domestic and global medical community. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mark D:
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Not necessarily - it is transmitted through bodily fluids and the patient only becomes infectious on presentation of symptoms. During the incubation period which may be up to three weeks, humans are not infectious. Unfortunately, it sounds like this guy was already to the bleeding out stage when he finally decided to go to the hospital. That puts him awfully close to symptomatic during his travels... Let's not forget that this current strain of Ebola has been shown to be infectious a day or two BEFORE onset of symptoms. I'm really beginning to wonder about the folks who are parroting the CDC's erroneous information like a, "Everything's gonna be alright", mantra of magical protection. This current strain is DIFFERENT that the ones in the past. And, it's gonna keep killing folks until we wake up and recognize it as such. Will it progress in the USA like it has in Africa, I doubt it. Nonetheless, people are gonna die (that shouldn't have) because of the institutionalized idiocy of the status quo mindset found in the domestic and global medical community. I agree with your assessment that the USA is far better equipped and indeed educated when it comes to containing a potential outbreak. I also agree that this strain is different, but then again all Ebola strains are different, perhaps even down to the individual virus level because of the way it replicates. Much has been made of a potential change in means of transmission of a virus. In reality it very rarely happens. In decades of studying human viruses there has never been a change in the way a virus is transmitted in the natural environment. Where attempts have been made to test viability in lab conditions there has nearly always been a compromise in how infectious the virus can remain when changes in transmission mediums increase the virus exposure to less hospitable environments. Ebola is a virus that replicates through RNA rather than DNA which means that it mutates almost every time it replicates because the viral enzyme that drives replication is a bit crap at doing so accurately, with very high likelihood of failure in accurately copying the genome at every replication, which sounds scary. However this is potentially a bad thing and a good thing. It means that mutations are constantly occurring which may increase the risk of hitting the jackpot on aerial transmission, for example, but it also means that every time it replicates in a host, the chances are it will develop a mutation that is self limiting through self limiting or lethal defects in the mutation process. The high rate of failure in accurate genome replication means that an unlikely combination of mutations must be chanced upon which allow aerial transmission without the self limiting or lethal defect. That genome must then be replicated accurately and in sufficient quantity within patient zero to withstand the body's natural defences and make it into the environment in a manner that will allow aerial transmission to occur, and then be able to survive in the new patient, and replicate accurately enough to retain those infectious characteristics to become transmittable as an infectious virus. As mentioned above, there are characteristics of different types of virus that must be able to survive the replication process, but then be able to survive the transmission in a more exposed manner while retaining it's lethality, and so on. That doesn't mean it can't happen, of course. There is always a first time, but the number of things that must fall into place at the replication level and be maintained throughout subsequent replications suggest that the odds are so heavily stacked against it that the current scare stories really do not serve the public interest. Notwithstanding that, If the guy was infectious then this clearly must be cause for serious concern in the authorities in tracking down those who may have come into contact with bodily fluids. My understanding is that the transmission across borders is anticipated to be inevitable in this outbreak. There is a tradeoff that has to be considered by Governments which takes into consideration the risk of transmission and ability to contain and control it, versus the shutting down of economic and trade activities, and the potential effect on destabilising this nations, and potentially cutting them off from aid which may be able to contain the outbreak. Indeed the economies of some of these west African countries is such that without international trade, aid and expertise their economies would quickly collapse, their Governments infrastructure and control systems fail, and all potential ability to control the outbreak and contain it's spread are lost. In the event that this happens infection rates are likely to soar with a consequential loss of any remaining public order, enormous costs in terms of containment and a collapse of bio-security as human trafficking, smuggling and other organised criminal activities start to take hold. There is a whole level of contingency and resilience planning which is under constant review with these things and I have been fortunate enough to be part of a team that is involved in this type of planning. I'm not a doctor or a virologist, so I don't profess to be any kind of expert in the matter, but I have spent some time with people who are specialists in the field who took the time to explain some of the science behind what is happening and the risks. |
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If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? View Quote We don't know yet if risk to other passengers is "zero", a bit premature to assume that don't you think? "risk further taxing health systems" Are you fucking shitting me? This is your primary concern in this matter? |
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So I was in that area over the weekend in dallas... ... I work in a building that has about 500 people in it.... ... I hope I didnt get it. dibs on guns Too bad you cant have em, being up in NY n all |
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Will the run of the mill anti-bacterial soap do anything against this ? How do you kill the virus on a surface?
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My wife works with a bunch of people who do missionary work in Africa. A lot of them are still intent on going there, not caring if they'll pick it up, too stupid to realize picking it up means bringing it back.
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We don't know yet if risk to other passengers is "zero", a bit premature to assume that don't you think? "risk further taxing health systems" Are you fucking shitting me? This is your primary concern in this matter? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? We don't know yet if risk to other passengers is "zero", a bit premature to assume that don't you think? "risk further taxing health systems" Are you fucking shitting me? This is your primary concern in this matter? When he says "taxing" he means "burdening", and it's a very valid concern. It would result in an inordinate surge of people flooding to the hospitals in an effort to seek treatment that they don't need. Availability of health care is a very, very, finite resource, perhaps much more finite than you'd be comfortable knowing. Hospitals and emergency services can and are very easily overwhelmed, and that scenario needs to be carefully avoided. Remember what happened with .22 ammo? it's kind of like that. |
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I think they need to suspend the "patient's rights" approach in this instance as a matter of public safety. They should post this person's photo on the local news and tell people if they have been in contact with this person that they need to go to the hospital immediately for testing and evaluation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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man im scared I'm genuinely scared also. I've always been scared of Ebola. I've made it my mission to read up on it, educate my self as much as I can about it, and it still scares the day lights out of me. All political bashing aside I hope they get their heads out of their asses and contain the fuck out of this. I think they need to suspend the "patient's rights" approach in this instance as a matter of public safety. They should post this person's photo on the local news and tell people if they have been in contact with this person that they need to go to the hospital immediately for testing and evaluation. I agree. |
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If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FYI: and here i'm assuming he came in through DFW ; Number of on-airport employees: approx. 60,000 Number of daily passengers: approx. 165,580 not good. If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? Don't information control me bro. |
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short on facts and long on meaningless statements. However his job is not to inform, his job is to put people at ease, except I don't think he accomplished that due to talking around so many questions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've gotta say, that CDC press conference did not fill me with confidence. short on facts and long on meaningless statements. However his job is not to inform, his job is to put people at ease, except I don't think he accomplished that due to talking around so many questions. Exactly. You put people at ease by providing facts, unless the facts are actually alarming. Sooooo.... |
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Hipaa will kill us...
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man im scared I'm genuinely scared also. I've always been scared of Ebola. I've made it my mission to read up on it, educate my self as much as I can about it, and it still scares the day lights out of me. All political bashing aside I hope they get their heads out of their asses and contain the fuck out of this. I think they need to suspend the "patient's rights" approach in this instance as a matter of public safety. They should post this person's photo on the local news and tell people if they have been in contact with this person that they need to go to the hospital immediately for testing and evaluation. I agree. If it was me I would appreciate that. The lady at Walmart who grabbed my sweaty arm to give me a sticker and the neighbors who's hand I shook need to know. |
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In the old days the Surgeon General or a county health director could declare a quarantine. We should do that with anyone who is arriving from West Africa.
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If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FYI: and here i'm assuming he came in through DFW ; Number of on-airport employees: approx. 60,000 Number of daily passengers: approx. 165,580 not good. If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? If he was sitting next to you, and shared a bowl of ice cream with you on 9/20, forget about it. There's zero risk to you, and there's no reason to notify you that he came down with Ebola. Don't worry bro, it's all good. Zero risk, ya know. We know SO much about Ebola, it's amazing ANYBODY could get it. When you don't come down with Ebola after having unprotected buttsex with the dude the morning of the 21st, we can hold you high as an example of how hard it is to catch. Zero risk. When he got hit in the face by a soccer ball while playing in the park and got a bloody nose on the 22nd... Non-factor. Bunch of goddamn Nancy boys around here, I'm telling ya. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Like I said in the other thread, let me know when it's 2 or 3.....Then I panic!
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What are the chances he infected the flight attendants (touching bags of snacks, drink glasses or water bottles), or another passenger (snotty nose wiped on hand, hand touches seat, next passenger puts his hand there), then the infected people fly out of Dallas? Was that plane grounded and the other passengers contained, or did it make it to another destination.... like Port Columbus Intl.....
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If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FYI: and here i'm assuming he came in through DFW ; Number of on-airport employees: approx. 60,000 Number of daily passengers: approx. 165,580 not good. If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? He went to the hospital on 9/24. How did he feel on 9/23? A little feverish, maybe? How about 9/22? Just a little cough? 9/21? I think he must have had some symptoms before he showed up at the hospital bleeding out of his eyeballs. |
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I've gotta say, that CDC press conference did not fill me with confidence. short on facts and long on meaningless statements. However his job is not to inform, his job is to put people at ease, except I don't think he accomplished that due to talking around so many questions. Exactly. You put people at ease by providing facts, unless the facts are actually alarming. Sooooo.... zactly |
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Go to 0:55 in the video. He Arrived in the US on the 20th. Showed symptoms on the 24th. "Sought care" on the 26th.*** Admitted to hospital on the 28th. ***I envision this guy going to some doc in the box place, infecting everyone there, being slapped on the ass with a diagnosis of "viral illness" and going about his business. http://youtu.be/XHEFDxPpPak View Quote Your link is all kinds of fubar.... Seems to be another news story that breaks in and you can't hear what the good dr. is saying |
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Your link is all kinds of fubar.... Seems to be another news story that breaks in and you can't hear what the good dr. is saying View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Go to 0:55 in the video. He Arrived in the US on the 20th. Showed symptoms on the 24th. "Sought care" on the 26th.*** Admitted to hospital on the 28th. ***I envision this guy going to some doc in the box place, infecting everyone there, being slapped on the ass with a diagnosis of "viral illness" and going about his business. http://youtu.be/XHEFDxPpPak Your link is all kinds of fubar.... Seems to be another news story that breaks in and you can't hear what the good dr. is saying yeah a minute or so is fucked, the rest is good. It's the only one I could find that had all 30 minutes, the rest are 10 mins long. |
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I bet a whole lot of people will stay home this election... Especially older people, afraid of getting sick.
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I think they need to suspend the "patient's rights" approach in this instance as a matter of public safety. They should post this person's photo on the local news and tell people if they have been in contact with this person that they need to go to the hospital immediately for testing and evaluation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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man im scared I'm genuinely scared also. I've always been scared of Ebola. I've made it my mission to read up on it, educate my self as much as I can about it, and it still scares the day lights out of me. All political bashing aside I hope they get their heads out of their asses and contain the fuck out of this. I think they need to suspend the "patient's rights" approach in this instance as a matter of public safety. They should post this person's photo on the local news and tell people if they have been in contact with this person that they need to go to the hospital immediately for testing and evaluation. Completely agree. A lot of good points in the thread so far! |
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***I envision this guy going to some doc in the box place, infecting everyone there, being slapped on the ass with a diagnosis of "viral illness" and going about his business. http://youtu.be/XHEFDxPpPak View Quote Well in fact that would be an accurate diagnosis. |
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they should be stopping americans from going to africa, and requiring everyone entering from africa to have to sit in quarantine for about 2-3 weeks, or until they are sure they are not infected.
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CDC director on Fox News right now. Same answers as last nights press conference.
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Quoted: HIPAA only deals with privacy of PHI in electronic records. I don't see how that matters in the ebola outbreak. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hipaa will kill us... Fuck Hipaa when dealing with infectious diseases. HIPAA only deals with privacy of PHI in electronic records. I don't see how that matters in the ebola outbreak. WRONG. Wrong. Wrong. I seriously hope you dont work in healthcare. Hippa covers PHI in all forms. The HITEC act/amendment to HIPPA in 2009 covers PHI in electronic health records. So much derp in this thread. The sky is not falling.....
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Tinfoil getting extra shiny -
First, when there is a serious pandemic, why is there no quarantine incubation period for travelers? Second of all possible terror? Is the dudes name Muhammad ? Nobody knows. It sure would be a good case of plausible deniability and a case of ebola contaminated person entering the US, come at a time when the US is a huge target for terrorism. Liberia is a country a wash in muslim peace lovers that would love to deliver a disease to the US. Make it appear accidental - infect someone who will be returning and has an excuse to go to the US. deny its terrorism 0- in fact the US government will assure its not, even if they never know for certain. They are more worried about people losing faith in their government than the true risk of public health. Public health authorities are working to track down anyone who may have come into close contact with a man who was confirmed Tuesday to be the first case of Ebola diagnosed in the U.S. Little is known about the patient, including his name, age, and nationality. Officials say he lived and worked in Liberia, where he likely caught the disease from one of the thousands infected in that country, but showed no symptoms when he flew back to the U.S. Sept. 19. As a result, no one who traveled with him on that flight is at risk of Ebola. |
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If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FYI: and here i'm assuming he came in through DFW ; Number of on-airport employees: approx. 60,000 Number of daily passengers: approx. 165,580 not good. If he completed travels on 9/20 and became symptomatic on 9/24 I think the best evidence is he would not have been symptomatic on any flight or flights he may have taken. That is probably why in the press conference they would not say what flight number/numbers he was on. And all that assumes the patient took a commercial flight. If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? Is it possible he was infected on the plane by someone else? |
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Quoted: We don't know yet if risk to other passengers is "zero", a bit premature to assume that don't you think? "risk further taxing health systems" Are you fucking shitting me? This is your primary concern in this matter? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If the risk to other passengers is zero, giving out that info would only lead to unneeded concern among them and their immediate contacts which would only risk further taxing health systems, don't you think? We don't know yet if risk to other passengers is "zero", a bit premature to assume that don't you think? "risk further taxing health systems" Are you fucking shitting me? This is your primary concern in this matter? So if you are given the flight number and date - what exactly do you/I plan to do with that information? |
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