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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:14:33 PM EDT
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I had high regard for science until so many scientists from certain fields became little more than lapdogs for politicians. Science is a process, a method, not a person. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:15:21 PM EDT
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Don't confuse science with engineering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's be honest, nowadays science is next to useless. The publish or perish mentality in academia has destroyed it. Says the guy posting on the internet. 
Don't confuse science with engineering. Al Gore didn't build that. And everybody knows how science-y he is. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:16:39 PM EDT
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I bet the author wasn't smart enough to be a STEM major
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:18:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:19:58 PM EDT
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http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/09/science-is-for-stupid-people.html?m=1 Science is a rigorous way of making fewer mistakes. It’s not very useful to people who already know everything. Science is for stupid people who know how much they don’t know. A lot of good food for thought in here. The author doesn't really expand on it, but this touches on the replacement of religious faith in God with religious faith in the nebulous concept of "science." One no longer asserts the appeal to authority of holy writ, one claims that "science" has "proven" whatever non-reproducible thing it is that you believe. That author is a fucking moron who throws around terms he has little to no understanding of. Taking his drivel seriously can only make one dumber and more insular. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:21:19 PM EDT
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A well supported theory such as evolution would go completely against what he says. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of what he says makes sense if you think of "science", as (the nebulous) GD often does, as tantamount to global warming, evolution, and social studies. I was only using evolution as an example of what some people offer up as an idea pretending to be science while actually being an agenda riding the coattails of science in order to discredit god/religion/conservativism/ or like Ken Ham drawing distinctions between 'observed science' and 'historical science'; that was my meaning. eta not that you and I would disagree that evolution is a very well supported scientific theory. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:23:20 PM EDT
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This is what happens when people confuse scientific law with scientific theory.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:23:43 PM EDT
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I didn't read the article, as like 87% of GD I'm just here to argue stupid shit on the internet. From your quote; it's my understanding that the blogger was using hyperbole by trying to say that thinking they're smart = stupid. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:25:38 PM EDT
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I was only using evolution as an example of what some people offer up as an idea pretending to be science while actually being an agenda riding the coattails of science in order to discredit god/religion/conservativism/ or like Ken Ham drawing distinctions between 'observed science' and 'historical science'; that was my meaning. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of what he says makes sense if you think of "science", as (the nebulous) GD often does, as tantamount to global warming, evolution, and social studies. I was only using evolution as an example of what some people offer up as an idea pretending to be science while actually being an agenda riding the coattails of science in order to discredit god/religion/conservativism/ or like Ken Ham drawing distinctions between 'observed science' and 'historical science'; that was my meaning. wat
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:27:56 PM EDT
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Don't confuse science with engineering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's be honest, nowadays science is next to useless. The publish or perish mentality in academia has destroyed it. Says the guy posting on the internet.
Don't confuse science with engineering. WUT??
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was only using evolution as an example of what some people offer up as an idea pretending to be science while actually being an agenda riding the coattails of science in order to discredit god/religion/conservativism/ or like Ken Ham drawing distinctions between 'observed science' and 'historical science'; that was my meaning. eta not that you and I would disagree that evolution is a very well supported scientific theory. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of what he says makes sense if you think of "science", as (the nebulous) GD often does, as tantamount to global warming, evolution, and social studies. I was only using evolution as an example of what some people offer up as an idea pretending to be science while actually being an agenda riding the coattails of science in order to discredit god/religion/conservativism/ or like Ken Ham drawing distinctions between 'observed science' and 'historical science'; that was my meaning. eta not that you and I would disagree that evolution is a very well supported scientific theory. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:31:25 PM EDT
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That author is a fucking moron who throws around terms he has little to no understanding of. Taking his drivel seriously can only make one dumber and more insular. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/09/science-is-for-stupid-people.html?m=1 Science is a rigorous way of making fewer mistakes. It’s not very useful to people who already know everything. Science is for stupid people who know how much they don’t know. A lot of good food for thought in here. The author doesn't really expand on it, but this touches on the replacement of religious faith in God with religious faith in the nebulous concept of "science." One no longer asserts the appeal to authority of holy writ, one claims that "science" has "proven" whatever non-reproducible thing it is that you believe. That author is a fucking moron who throws around terms he has little to no understanding of. Taking his drivel seriously can only make one dumber and more insular. I think he's an engineer. This part he's right about: What the left calls science is really a hypothesis accepted as a fact without the skepticism. Its intelligence is a conclusion without bothering to determine whether it’s true. Science and intelligence are perpetual processes that are never truly settled. But in law and government, as in all other fields, the left discards the process and asserts an inevitable outcome by virtue of its superiority.
Intelligence as ideology is at the heart of the left. Its Orwellian twist discards the need for using intelligence to question its ideology by asserting that the issue is settled. To be smart is to be left and to be left is to be smart. And only stupid people would question that. There is no need to think about anything because the smart people have already done all the thinking. You can show you are smart by accepting their conclusions or show your stupidity by questioning them. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:31:31 PM EDT
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Wait what? Some people don't see evolution as real science but as an agenda masquerading as science. Or I may be expressing myself poorly. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:36:29 PM EDT
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The worst part about this thread is how many assholes who are on my ignore list are replying to it, and how I feel obligated to read their comments as it's my thread.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:36:55 PM EDT
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Wait what? Some people don't see evolution as real science but as an agenda masquerading as science. Or I may be expressing myself poorly. And they do so out of belief in their religion. Unless you can point me towards atheist evolution deniers; I've yet to see any. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:37:52 PM EDT
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I didn't read the article, as like 87% of GD I'm just here to argue stupid shit on the internet. From your quote; it's my understanding that the blogger was using hyperbole by trying to say that thinking they're smart = stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't read the article, as like 87% of GD I'm just here to argue stupid shit on the internet. From your quote; it's my understanding that the blogger was using hyperbole by trying to say that thinking they're smart = stupid. To be fair, he said everyone is essentially stupid, given the boundlessness of knowledge available and to be [re]discovered. The ones who can admit their own fallibility are much more intelligent than the ones who can't. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:40:21 PM EDT
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This part he's right about: Quote HistoryQuoted:
This part he's right about: What the left calls science is really a hypothesis accepted as a fact without the skepticism. Its intelligence is a conclusion without bothering to determine whether it’s true. Science and intelligence are perpetual processes that are never truly settled. But in law and government, as in all other fields, the left discards the process and asserts an inevitable outcome by virtue of its superiority.
Intelligence as ideology is at the heart of the left. Its Orwellian twist discards the need for using intelligence to question its ideology by asserting that the issue is settled. To be smart is to be left and to be left is to be smart. And only stupid people would question that. There is no need to think about anything because the smart people have already done all the thinking. You can show you are smart by accepting their conclusions or show your stupidity by questioning them. That's just a bunch of faggy bullshit stemming from his own insecurity. I live my life by good, solid conservative principles. I don't need to think about what all this newfangled shit means. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people don't see evolution as real science but as an agenda masquerading as science. Or I may be expressing myself poorly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait what? Some people don't see evolution as real science but as an agenda masquerading as science. Or I may be expressing myself poorly.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:42:45 PM EDT
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That's just a bunch of faggy bullshit stemming from his own insecurity. I live my life by good, solid conservative principles. I don't need to think about what all this newfangled shit means. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This part he's right about: What the left calls science is really a hypothesis accepted as a fact without the skepticism. Its intelligence is a conclusion without bothering to determine whether it’s true. Science and intelligence are perpetual processes that are never truly settled. But in law and government, as in all other fields, the left discards the process and asserts an inevitable outcome by virtue of its superiority.
Intelligence as ideology is at the heart of the left. Its Orwellian twist discards the need for using intelligence to question its ideology by asserting that the issue is settled. To be smart is to be left and to be left is to be smart. And only stupid people would question that. There is no need to think about anything because the smart people have already done all the thinking. You can show you are smart by accepting their conclusions or show your stupidity by questioning them. That's just a bunch of faggy bullshit stemming from his own insecurity. I live my life by good, solid conservative principles. I don't need to think about what all this newfangled shit means. OK |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:46:28 PM EDT
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:47:06 PM EDT
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The worst part about this thread is how many assholes who are on my ignore list are replying to it, and how I feel obligated to read their comments as it's my thread. Don't worry, I had to click to read this comment. You really should pick your spokespersons better. LOL. Of course it takes a true genius to understand all the subtle twists of the author's own self parody. So maybe I'm being harsh. P.S. Capitalism was a product of modernity. So he's extra smart right out the gate. The use of big words and terms he doesn't understand really shines, set against his butthurt over people that think they are smart. Er no that was his subtle, multilayered self-parody again. Too bad he didn't use "teleological." That woulda really been a gut-buster. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:47:57 PM EDT
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This kind of thing just does wonders for the Republican party. I just shake my head, anymore. Whaddaya gonna do, you know? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:49:00 PM EDT
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Sorry. Trying to read this thread and work on a report isn't working out so well.
Don't be too hard on yourself, there's always my sentence structure to blame After over a decade in America, I still can't express my sentences good, it's like they come out carved out at their semantic joints.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:51:54 PM EDT
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I want the science back they had in the 60's with all the technology and knowledge of today. All those guys with slide rulers in the NASA control center during a lift off- they should be in charge of all scientific stuff today. Objectivity. No bullshit. Get shit done. No bullshit political agendas to prove... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's be honest, nowadays science is next to useless. The publish or perish mentality in academia has destroyed it. I want the science back they had in the 60's with all the technology and knowledge of today. All those guys with slide rulers in the NASA control center during a lift off- they should be in charge of all scientific stuff today. Objectivity. No bullshit. Get shit done. No bullshit political agendas to prove... Right, because when you think of projects with no political agenda, the US vs. Soviet space race is the first thing that comes to mind. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't be too hard on yourself, there's always my sentence structure to blame After over a decade in America, I still can't express my sentences good, it's like they come out carved out at their semantic joints.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry. Trying to read this thread and work on a report isn't working out so well. Don't be too hard on yourself, there's always my sentence structure to blame After over a decade in America, I still can't express my sentences good, it's like they come out carved out at their semantic joints.Your structure was fine, at least it should have been had I been paying attention. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:56:04 PM EDT
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:57:01 PM EDT
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I just shake my head, anymore. Whaddaya gonna do, you know? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This kind of thing just does wonders for the Republican party. I just shake my head, anymore. Whaddaya gonna do, you know? Did you read the article? If so, what, specifically, did you disagree with? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:01:17 PM EDT
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herp derp de dumb.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:04:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:07:21 PM EDT
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Did you read the article? If so, what, specifically, did you disagree with? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This kind of thing just does wonders for the Republican party. I just shake my head, anymore. Whaddaya gonna do, you know? Did you read the article? If so, what, specifically, did you disagree with? Horseshit like this: The dot com revolution with its databases and subtle tools for manipulating individuals on a collective basis led to a Facebook Socialism that crowdsources its culture wars and “nudges” everyone into better habits, lower body masses and conveniently available death panels.
The iSocialist, like his industrial predecessor, assumes that technology gives superintelligent leftists better tools for controlling everything. The planned economy failed in the twentieth because the tools of propaganda posters, quotas and gulags were too crude. This time he is certain that it will work. I'd say he just likes to hear himself talk, but alas, he typed it. It's just more of the normal "Red Team, Blue Team" homerism that I've grown tired of, and another boring attempt by yet another blogger to beat the Tyson non-story like a dead horse. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:08:02 PM EDT
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Right, because when you think of projects with no political agenda, the US vs. Soviet space race is the first thing that comes to mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's be honest, nowadays science is next to useless. The publish or perish mentality in academia has destroyed it. I want the science back they had in the 60's with all the technology and knowledge of today. All those guys with slide rulers in the NASA control center during a lift off- they should be in charge of all scientific stuff today. Objectivity. No bullshit. Get shit done. No bullshit political agendas to prove... Right, because when you think of projects with no political agenda, the US vs. Soviet space race is the first thing that comes to mind. You can be objective if your focus is on beating down commies. So you didn't watch 'Apollo 13'? Those dudes were smart. Using slide rulers to build a cardboard box fix to restore life support smart. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:10:06 PM EDT
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Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Some examples? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:10:28 PM EDT
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. That, and fatties. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:16:30 PM EDT
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P.S. Capitalism was a product of modernity. So he's extra smart right out the gate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The worst part about this thread is how many assholes who are on my ignore list are replying to it, and how I feel obligated to read their comments as it's my thread. P.S. Capitalism was a product of modernity. So he's extra smart right out the gate. I see your point. Modernism equals modernity. riiiiiiigghhhhhhtttttttt... |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:17:34 PM EDT
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It is when no fallacy is actually being used and that the ideas are indeed scientific despite anti-intellectuals labeling them as non-scientific. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Skepticism is anti-intellectual!!! |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:20:45 PM EDT
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In the end, science asks for empirical proof and reproducable results to create a rational model of reality.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:22:40 PM EDT
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In the end, science asks for empirical proof and reproducable results to create a rational model of reality. Wut? No whey!!! |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:27:29 PM EDT
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Skepticism is anti-intellectual!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Skepticism is anti-intellectual!!! |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:42:07 PM EDT
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http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/09/science-is-for-stupid-people.html?m=1 Science is a rigorous way of making fewer mistakes. It’s not very useful to people who already know everything. Science is for stupid people who know how much they don’t know. A lot of good food for thought in here. The author doesn't really expand on it, but this touches on the replacement of religious faith in God with religious faith in the nebulous concept of "science." One no longer asserts the appeal to authority of holy writ, one claims that "science" has "proven" whatever non-reproducible thing it is that you believe. No, that is just something else you would do if you were a dumbass...like the author of that article. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:45:02 PM EDT
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People who do what I described espouse nothing close to Skepticism. Rather, usually they have a predetermined conclusions which they are trying to validate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Pointing out that people commit the appeal to authority fallacy by claiming scientific validity for non-scientific ideas is not anti-intellectualism. Skepticism is anti-intellectual!!! And it never works that way the other way around. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:45:30 PM EDT
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For all the folks too butthurt to read the actual article, the point is not to impugn the actual scientific process: merely to point out that many folks who do not understand what that actually is have hijacked the term and use it to further whatever non-scientific idea they have. That would be called pseudo-science or junk science. To make the blanket statement that "science" is somehow useless is as stupid as the article. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:47:11 PM EDT
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At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? No, the phonies just use Science as a magic talisman to try and control debate like they do with the race card. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:48:21 PM EDT
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At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? Golden Age of Islam. They practically built math by themselves. In Spain. And Portugal. NASA still holds out hope that they can regain the confidence to pick up were they left off. Where do you think 'Zero' came from? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it never works that way the other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Skepticism is anti-intellectual!!! And it never works that way the other way around. Anti-intellectualism exists, which is what this quote tree is about. Talking about "appeals to authority" fallacies has nothing to do with this fact. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:49:28 PM EDT
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Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Are you talking about the article or some of the replies? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:51:06 PM EDT
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That would be called pseudo-science or junk science. To make the blanket statement that "science" is somehow useless is as stupid as the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all the folks too butthurt to read the actual article, the point is not to impugn the actual scientific process: merely to point out that many folks who do not understand what that actually is have hijacked the term and use it to further whatever non-scientific idea they have. That would be called pseudo-science or junk science. To make the blanket statement that "science" is somehow useless is as stupid as the article. So you don't think he's impugning the politicization of science as opposed to the practice of real science? He did mention Lysenkoism ... |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the phonies just use Science as a magic talisman to try and control debate like they do with the race card. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? No, the phonies just use Science as a magic talisman to try and control debate like they do with the race card. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the phonies just use Science as a magic talisman to try and control debate like they do with the race card. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anti-intellectualism is one of our biggest downfalls. Phony intellectualism is much more dangerous and much worse. At least the phonies are trying. Islam got rid of science & philosophers and instead looked towards religion to keep their shit together. How they doin'? No, the phonies just use Science as a magic talisman to try and control debate like they do with the race card. At least science has a mechanism for undoing the charlatans and phonies - one that's been proven to work over the centuries. What does the kook-anti folks have? Dogma, denial, faith, and a cool hole in the sand to stick their heads while observation and data move the world forward. Sorry, I'll take science every fucking time. Standing in its way has cost humanity centuries of misery and suffering...nothing comparable to some AGW dicks.
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