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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:33:34 PM EDT
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No. Toyota just has 3 million cars with defective safety equipment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. Correct, but Toyota didnt have 3 million runaway cars (Prius') No. Toyota just has 3 million cars with defective safety equipment. ...that they recalled before it became a major issue that killed people. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:33:53 PM EDT
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Anyone know what the criteria for the recall is? I have a 2010 4x4 that I had the rear leaf add a leaf TSB done right after I got it. But they didn't replace the whole leaf pack that I am aware. I don't see anything to include or exclude your condition specifically. Tacoma Leaf Spring Recall FAQ's |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:38:21 PM EDT
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...that they recalled before it became a major issue that killed people. But they did not acknowledge and fix the unintended acceleration problem fast enough to save lives. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:40:33 PM EDT
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. That may be, but it wasn't because of the car. It was user error - a Toyota Camry engine, even at WOT, CANNOT overcome the braking system. There is no "ghost in the machine" as some would have you believe. People panic, think they're standing on the brake, when in reality they're standing on the accelerator. This isn't the first time this happened: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:42:30 PM EDT
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But they did not acknowledge and fix the unintended acceleration problem fast enough to save lives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...that they recalled before it became a major issue that killed people. But they did not acknowledge and fix the unintended acceleration problem fast enough to save lives. What issue? The "faulty" electronics that weren't, or the floormats? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:42:36 PM EDT
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. 
Toyota is not aware of any fires, crashes, injuries or fatalities associated with this condition. They're a shit company because they're taking a precaution to fix a possible problem.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:44:08 PM EDT
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...that they recalled before it became a major issue that killed people. But they did not acknowledge and fix the unintended acceleration problem fast enough to save lives. and adding a one leafspring(add a leaf) to this concern seems like a band-aid repair to me at least. The leaf can still fail and puka the gas tank. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:45:09 PM EDT
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OME Dakars on mine now,so I don't need their stinkin' recall!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:46:27 PM EDT
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. That may be, but it wasn't because of the car. It was user error - a Toyota Camry engine, even at WOT, CANNOT overcome the braking system. There is no "ghost in the machine" as some would have you believe. People panic, think they're standing on the brake, when in reality they're standing on the accelerator. This isn't the first time this happened: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration Gonna have to call you on this. 4 people were killed in a runaway Lexus during the timeframe (the height of the scandal). There are a lot of dirty hands involved in this. http://www.cbs8.com/story/11337585/runaway-cars-may-be-a-widespread-problem-for-toyota-lexus-owners http://m.thenational.ae/news/world/toyota-to-pay-10-million-for-runaway-lexus-crash And the actual call to 911 as it happened - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03m7fmnhO0I |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:48:11 PM EDT
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I'm just here for the butthurt on both sides. Sounds fun. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:48:41 PM EDT
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. No actually, they didn't, at least not on account of Toyota. http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/02/08/toyota-may-pay-1-billion-over-runaway-cars-although-no-one-has-ever-found-fault |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:51:26 PM EDT
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. You aren't being intellectually honest. How about you tally these up: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/ford.html By the way, there are three Fords in my driveway - and one of them was purchased new four days ago. I come from a Ford family, but to dismiss Toyota quality is ignorant at best. As an employee at a Ford dealership in the nineties I saw a lot of used Toyotas. As an employee at a Toyota Dealership before that I saw a lot more. During the seven years I was in that hellish business I've driven thousands of both in order to establish a trade-in value, and to establish what they need in the shop. The cost of that repair order would dictate not only their final value, but their final destination as well - the retail line or the wholesale auction line. With a good tech at my side we were rarely wrong. As a rule, all used cars need some sort of work - but a used Toyota was less likely to have major powertrain, suspension, or electrical issues than a comparable domestic vehicle. End of story. My opinion isn't based on blind loyalty, but objective observation. Years later nothing in the industry has changed. Why don't I drive a Toyota? Because I have zero romantic attachment to any motor vehicle - the car business did a good job of exorcising that out of me. To me, a car is nothing more than a depreciating piece of shit that will eventually rust out or leak oil in the driveway. When I bought my wife her new car on Saturday she was excited, but to me it was merely a necessary evil - kind of like a colonoscopy. She needed a new car, and that was that. My daughter will get her old one, and I'll keep mine and stubbornly run it into the ground for as long as it will take an inspection sticker. Not that it matters, but I've worked here http://www.portsmouthford.com/ and here http://www.billdube.com/index.htm So, what experience do you base your findings on? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:00:01 PM EDT
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You aren't being intellectually honest. How about you tally these up: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/ford.html By the way, there are three Fords in my driveway - and one of them was purchased new four days ago. I come from a Ford family, but to dismiss Toyota quality is ignorant at best. As an employee at a Ford dealership in the nineties I saw a lot of used Toyotas. As an employee at a Toyota Dealership before that I saw a lot more. During the seven years I was in that hellish business I've driven thousands of both in order to establish a trade-in value, and to establish what they need in the shop. The cost of that repair order would dictate not only their final value, but their final destination as well - the retail line or the wholesale auction line. With a good tech at my side we were rarely wrong. As a rule, all used cars need some sort of work - but a used Toyota was less likely to have major powertrain, suspension, or electrical issues than a comparable domestic vehicle. End of story. My opinion isn't based on blind loyalty, but objective observation. Years later nothing in the industry has changed. Why don't I drive a Toyota? Because I have zero romantic attachment to any motor vehicle - the car business did a good job of exorcising that out of me. To me, a car is nothing more than a depreciating piece of shit that will eventually rust out or leak oil in the driveway. When I bought my wife her new car on Saturday she was excited, but to me it was merely a necessary evil - kind of like a colonoscopy. She needed a new car, and that was that. My daughter will get her old one, and I'll keep mine and stubbornly run it into the ground for as long as it will take an inspection sticker. Not that it matters, but I've worked here http://www.portsmouthford.com/ and here http://www.billdube.com/index.htm So, what experience do you base your findings on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. You aren't being intellectually honest. How about you tally these up: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/ford.html By the way, there are three Fords in my driveway - and one of them was purchased new four days ago. I come from a Ford family, but to dismiss Toyota quality is ignorant at best. As an employee at a Ford dealership in the nineties I saw a lot of used Toyotas. As an employee at a Toyota Dealership before that I saw a lot more. During the seven years I was in that hellish business I've driven thousands of both in order to establish a trade-in value, and to establish what they need in the shop. The cost of that repair order would dictate not only their final value, but their final destination as well - the retail line or the wholesale auction line. With a good tech at my side we were rarely wrong. As a rule, all used cars need some sort of work - but a used Toyota was less likely to have major powertrain, suspension, or electrical issues than a comparable domestic vehicle. End of story. My opinion isn't based on blind loyalty, but objective observation. Years later nothing in the industry has changed. Why don't I drive a Toyota? Because I have zero romantic attachment to any motor vehicle - the car business did a good job of exorcising that out of me. To me, a car is nothing more than a depreciating piece of shit that will eventually rust out or leak oil in the driveway. When I bought my wife her new car on Saturday she was excited, but to me it was merely a necessary evil - kind of like a colonoscopy. She needed a new car, and that was that. My daughter will get her old one, and I'll keep mine and stubbornly run it into the ground for as long as it will take an inspection sticker. Not that it matters, but I've worked here http://www.portsmouthford.com/ and here http://www.billdube.com/index.htm So, what experience do you base your findings on? Well, I myself been an ASE Master tech for about 10 years now, worked for a couple of independent shops, and a couple of chains. I split time between a cube, and picking apart ATV's, motorcycles, and snowmobiles, now.  I was always better on the electrical side of automotive repair, though. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:04:37 PM EDT
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He's probably a union guy with a hardon. Plus, I think he's dodging a pit thread right now anyway.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. Yes, I'm old and stupid... ETA: I think you are bashing Toyota but I find that really hard to believe. The quality and durability can not be argued. I knew it wouldn't take long. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:04:42 PM EDT
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Gonna have to call you on this. 4 people were killed in a runaway Lexus during the timeframe (the height of the scandal). There are a lot of dirty hands involved in this. http://www.cbs8.com/story/11337585/runaway-cars-may-be-a-widespread-problem-for-toyota-lexus-owners http://m.thenational.ae/news/world/toyota-to-pay-10-million-for-runaway-lexus-crash And the actual call to 911 as it happened - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03m7fmnhO0I Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. That may be, but it wasn't because of the car. It was user error - a Toyota Camry engine, even at WOT, CANNOT overcome the braking system. There is no "ghost in the machine" as some would have you believe. People panic, think they're standing on the brake, when in reality they're standing on the accelerator. This isn't the first time this happened: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration Gonna have to call you on this. 4 people were killed in a runaway Lexus during the timeframe (the height of the scandal). There are a lot of dirty hands involved in this. http://www.cbs8.com/story/11337585/runaway-cars-may-be-a-widespread-problem-for-toyota-lexus-owners http://m.thenational.ae/news/world/toyota-to-pay-10-million-for-runaway-lexus-crash And the actual call to 911 as it happened - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03m7fmnhO0I The Lexus is the functional equivalent to the Toyota Camry, they share the same 6 cylinder engine, drivetrain, and braking system. I don't doubt for a second that the driver of the vehicle in question believed 100% that he was applying the brakes, but in reality he was applying throttle inadvertently. Let's say for sake of argument that the floormat did cause the accelerator to stick - Car and Driver was able to show that engine can't overcome the brakes in that particular vehicle design. The local CBS affiliate's website that you quote is full of inaccuracies and flat out wrong information about the vehicle; for instance the "manual style auto shifter". Acura and Honda models from the same time frame feature the exact same style of shifter, which is barely different than a normal auto shifter if you've ever seen one, and is no more difficult to shift to neutral than any other auto shifter. Local news affiliates love to have sensational coverage of imaginary problems, this appears to be no different. I agree that Toyota could have included things like throttle cutoff in their design (which they have now), but it still doesn't change the fact that the car can't overcome the brakes, even at wide open throttle. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:10:25 PM EDT
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Toyota is known to discriminate against women and older drivers, who suffered disproportionately from their defective engineering.
How can you expect everyone to know that pushing down on the gas while thinking you are pushing down on the brake can cause unintended acceleration? voodoo magic, I tell you. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:14:36 PM EDT
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"The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:23:01 PM EDT
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Well, I myself been an ASE Master tech for about 10 years now, worked for a couple of independent shops, and a couple of chains. I split time between a cube, and picking apart ATV's, motorcycles, and snowmobiles, now. I was always better on the electrical side of automotive repair, though. Well, having a Master Tech at my side certainly saved my bacon more times than I could count while putting a value on a trade-in. Thank you
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:24:23 PM EDT
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Because they care more about their customers than domestic truck makers? Fuck if I know, but there was a long "Well, this could lead to this, which could lead to this, which may cause a fire." explanation in the recall notice. The only way that a broken leaf spring would rub through a tank is through abject negligence on the part of the owner. Do you even Actuarial Science Bro...? There is a reason Actuaries make the big bucks...this would be it. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:25:34 PM EDT
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Per the CBS8 story - "The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. Sounds more like he panicked, and failed to put the car into neutral, or fully apply the brakes. Just because you're a highway patrolman for two decades, doesn't mean that you know how to drive. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:28:22 PM EDT
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Guess I am getting a new rear suspension. sweet. Nice to have a company that will fix things before people die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Guess I am getting a new rear suspension. sweet. Nice to have a company that will fix things before people die. Hey! GM would have fixed the ignition problem. If the fix would have cost less than the predicted lawsuits. 
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Mercedes-Benz USA: 2.1 million recalled/5.2 million sold; 0.41 recall rate. Mazda Motor Corp: 5.2 million recalled/9.4 million sold; 0.55 recall rate. General Motors: 99.3 million recalled/153.2 million sold; 0.65 recall rate. Nissan North America: 19.1 million recalled/26.8 million sold; 0.71 recall rate. Subaru of America: 4.3 million recalled/6.0 million sold; 0.73 recall rate. Kia Motors: 3.7 million recalled/4.9 million sold; 0.77 recall rate. Toyota Motor Corp: 38.6 million recalled/48.1 million sold; 0.80 recall rate. BMW of North America: 5.1 million recalled/5.7 million sold; 0.90 recall rate. Ford Motor Co: 97.0 million recalled/104.7 million sold; 0.93 recall rate. American Honda Motor Co: 31.1 million recalled/32.9 million sold; 0.94 recall rate. Chrysler Group: 63.2 million recalled/63.2 million sold; 1.00 recall rate. Volvo Cars of North America: 3.3 million recalled/3.1 million sold; 1.05 recall rate. Volkswagen of America: 10.2 million recalled/9.7 million sold; 1.06 recall rate. Mitsubishi Motors North America: 5.3 million recalled/4.8 million sold; 1.09 recall rate. Hyundai Motor Co: 9.9 million recalled/8.7 million sold; 1.15 recall rate. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:32:43 PM EDT
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I foresee a lot of ass high nose diving trucks. Lol. Thank goodness for adjustable front coils. And I was excited a few years back when they did the 4th leaf TSB... |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:38:27 PM EDT
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Per the CBS8 story - "The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. GD doesn't cut any slack for cops normally, why should he get the benefit of the doubt just for being a cop now? Posting hyperbole from an overly dramatic news report isn't going to prove anything. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:41:15 PM EDT
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. They should be more like GM and have 24,000,000+ recalls...in a single year. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:41:38 PM EDT
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Sounds more like he panicked, and failed to put the car into neutral, or fully apply the brakes. Just because you're a highway patrolman for two decades, doesn't mean that you know how to drive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Per the CBS8 story - "The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. Sounds more like he panicked, and failed to put the car into neutral, or fully apply the brakes. Just because you're a highway patrolman for two decades, doesn't mean that you know how to drive. I'm out |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:42:20 PM EDT
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GD doesn't cut any slack for cops normally, why should he get the benefit of the doubt just for being a cop now? Posting hyperbole from an overly dramatic news report isn't going to prove anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Per the CBS8 story - "The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. GD doesn't cut any slack for cops normally, why should he get the benefit of the doubt just for being a cop now? Posting hyperbole from an overly dramatic news report isn't going to prove anything. I'm out |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:55:15 PM EDT
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Because they care more about their customers than domestic truck makers? Fuck if I know, but there was a long "Well, this could lead to this, which could lead to this, which may cause a fire." explanation in the recall notice. The only way that a broken leaf spring would rub through a tank is through abject negligence on the part of the owner. I've seen broken leaf springs on pretty much every brand truck that uses leaf springs. Furthermore, if you owned a FWD Ford product manufactured since the '90's, chances are that you've had to replace the coil springs at least once, especially if you owned a wagon. I've seen one fail in such a way that it destroyed a tire, while the vehicle was moving.
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. Leaf springs fail on anything that has leaf springs. Try again. I see. Then why is Toyota initiating a recall? Because they care more about their customers than domestic truck makers? Fuck if I know, but there was a long "Well, this could lead to this, which could lead to this, which may cause a fire." explanation in the recall notice. The only way that a broken leaf spring would rub through a tank is through abject negligence on the part of the owner. I've seen broken leaf springs on pretty much every brand truck that uses leaf springs. Furthermore, if you owned a FWD Ford product manufactured since the '90's, chances are that you've had to replace the coil springs at least once, especially if you owned a wagon. I've seen one fail in such a way that it destroyed a tire, while the vehicle was moving.
No recalls for the shit Ford springs, though. yeah...I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this.....20+ years in the industry..including a number of them at a Ford dealership...I, personally, never replaced 1 Ford coil spring. As far as Toyotas go....personal experience tells me they are no more reliable then any other car...it all comes down to maintenance. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:56:41 PM EDT
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GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. Don't put 10 lbs of key chains on your ignition key....problem solved. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:58:32 PM EDT
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. Yes, I'm old and stupid... ETA: I think you are bashing Toyota but I find that really hard to believe. The quality and durability can not be argued. Indeed. Uncommanded accelerations and numerous recalls are indications of quality and durability. Oh please...."Bush's fault" mindset. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:06:20 PM EDT
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Per the CBS8 story - "The brakes on the doomed Lexus near San Diego were reportedly on fire as he car hurtled up the freeway." The driver was a 19 year Highway Patrolman. Sounds like he can handle finding the right (or left as the case may be) pedal under pressure. Sounds like he burned the brakes off the car trying to stop. Yet he was too stupid to turn the engine off and simply put it in an acessory/nonlocked key on ignition off position? It astounds me how stupid people can be, even trained profeshunuls. I currently own 4 vehicles, 2 ford, 1 toyota, and 1 mercedes. All of them have had recalls for shit. My previous 4 vehicles before those were Ford Rangers of various years/engines and despite recalls were some of the most reliable vehicles despite constant abuse. Some recalls I take advantage of and others I simply dont care. Like floor mats. I could care less about because if you are too dumb to fix it you deserve to have an accident. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:08:45 PM EDT
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I replaced my OEM springs with ARB OME Dakar 8 leafs years ago.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:13:29 PM EDT
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You aren't being intellectually honest. How about you tally these up: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/ford.html By the way, there are three Fords in my driveway - and one of them was purchased new four days ago. I come from a Ford family, but to dismiss Toyota quality is ignorant at best. As an employee at a Ford dealership in the nineties I saw a lot of used Toyotas. As an employee at a Toyota Dealership before that I saw a lot more. During the seven years I was in that hellish business I've driven thousands of both in order to establish a trade-in value, and to establish what they need in the shop. The cost of that repair order would dictate not only their final value, but their final destination as well - the retail line or the wholesale auction line. With a good tech at my side we were rarely wrong. As a rule, all used cars need some sort of work - but a used Toyota was less likely to have major powertrain, suspension, or electrical issues than a comparable domestic vehicle. End of story. My opinion isn't based on blind loyalty, but objective observation. Years later nothing in the industry has changed. Why don't I drive a Toyota? Because I have zero romantic attachment to any motor vehicle - the car business did a good job of exorcising that out of me. To me, a car is nothing more than a depreciating piece of shit that will eventually rust out or leak oil in the driveway. When I bought my wife her new car on Saturday she was excited, but to me it was merely a necessary evil - kind of like a colonoscopy. She needed a new car, and that was that. My daughter will get her old one, and I'll keep mine and stubbornly run it into the ground for as long as it will take an inspection sticker. Not that it matters, but I've worked here http://www.portsmouthford.com/ and here http://www.billdube.com/index.htm So, what experience do you base your findings on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. You aren't being intellectually honest. How about you tally these up: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/ford.html By the way, there are three Fords in my driveway - and one of them was purchased new four days ago. I come from a Ford family, but to dismiss Toyota quality is ignorant at best. As an employee at a Ford dealership in the nineties I saw a lot of used Toyotas. As an employee at a Toyota Dealership before that I saw a lot more. During the seven years I was in that hellish business I've driven thousands of both in order to establish a trade-in value, and to establish what they need in the shop. The cost of that repair order would dictate not only their final value, but their final destination as well - the retail line or the wholesale auction line. With a good tech at my side we were rarely wrong. As a rule, all used cars need some sort of work - but a used Toyota was less likely to have major powertrain, suspension, or electrical issues than a comparable domestic vehicle. End of story. My opinion isn't based on blind loyalty, but objective observation. Years later nothing in the industry has changed. Why don't I drive a Toyota? Because I have zero romantic attachment to any motor vehicle - the car business did a good job of exorcising that out of me. To me, a car is nothing more than a depreciating piece of shit that will eventually rust out or leak oil in the driveway. When I bought my wife her new car on Saturday she was excited, but to me it was merely a necessary evil - kind of like a colonoscopy. She needed a new car, and that was that. My daughter will get her old one, and I'll keep mine and stubbornly run it into the ground for as long as it will take an inspection sticker. Not that it matters, but I've worked here http://www.portsmouthford.com/ and here http://www.billdube.com/index.htm So, what experience do you base your findings on? He doesn't have any experience. He's just a troll dodging a pit thread. I doubt he will be here long. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:14:09 PM EDT
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Did somebody say Tacoma photo thread?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHell yes! 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:45:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:49:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just here for the butthurt on both sides. You came for the butthurt but you should stay for the great Tacoma pics.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. In fairness, the air bag issues were tied back to the supplier whom also supplied airbags to a number of large manufacturers like Ford, GM, Honda, Mazda etc, etc
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:51:09 PM EDT
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yeah...I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this.....20+ years in the industry..including a number of them at a Ford dealership...I, personally, never replaced 1 Ford coil spring. As far as Toyotas go....personal experience tells me they are no more reliable then any other car...it all comes down to maintenance. Lol, ok. Were you a service writer, or salesman? I assure you, as somebody who actually worked on cars, that late '80s to early '00 Ford FWD vehicles were prone to spring breakage, especially in the rear for wagons, but I've seen them break on the front, too.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:53:09 PM EDT
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Toyota's reputation is not based in the reality of their products. Well Toyota usually does their recalls BEFORE the defects kill people. Meanwhile their US competition learns about the problems, and ignores them for the first 20-30 deaths, then does everything it can to avoid liability. You know its funny. Toyota seems to have a LOT more older running modles (90s-early 2000s) on the road than any of the US made crap. Maybe its just my experience having an 02 4runner that wont quit today, vs my old 02 ford that couldnt stop dying in 2007. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:53:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:57:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:58:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:01:00 PM EDT
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That may be, but it wasn't because of the car. It was user error - a Toyota Camry engine, even at WOT, CANNOT overcome the braking system. There is no "ghost in the machine" as some would have you believe. People panic, think they're standing on the brake, when in reality they're standing on the accelerator. This isn't the first time this happened: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. People died in runaway Toyotas. That may be, but it wasn't because of the car. It was user error - a Toyota Camry engine, even at WOT, CANNOT overcome the braking system. There is no "ghost in the machine" as some would have you believe. People panic, think they're standing on the brake, when in reality they're standing on the accelerator. This isn't the first time this happened: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration Yep. It blows my mind that people think their everyday driver vehicles have engines that can outpower brakes.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:01:38 PM EDT
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onoez! teh leaf springz!!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:03:55 PM EDT
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Just trying to comprehend, when did car makers start warranting their cars forever? If you let your leaf springs rust to the point they move and pierce the gas tank, is it not YOUR fault for not repainting/refinishing them?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:04:25 PM EDT
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Don't put 10 lbs of key chains on your ignition key....problem solved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site is interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html Let us only hit the highlights: 1. 803,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air conditioning units 2. 1.3 million vehicles recalled due to a faulty air bag system 3. 752,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty air bag system 4. 209,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty seat belt mechanism 5. 2.8 million vehicles recalled due to steering and water pump problems 6. 242,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty brake system 7. 615,000 vehicles recalled due to a faulty shifter mechanism 8. 150,000 vehicles recalled due to the spare tire coming separated from the vehicle 9. 342,000 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts 10. 472,500 vehicles recalled due to faulty seat belts I stopped at ten. It is disturbing how many seat belt and air bag systems are faulty and must be recalled. GM has recalled almost 3 million vehicles due to the shitty ignition switch, which actually has killed people. Checkmate. Don't put 10 lbs of key chains on your ignition key....problem solved. That was just a cover their ass thing. My wife's failed, and all she had attached to her key was a ring and a plastic tag. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:07:59 PM EDT
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Damn I want a Tacoma
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:09:10 PM EDT
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Unlike Chevy and Ford, Toyota will fix their problems.[/span]  Had a seat belt recall on our Buick Enclave, brought it in. Fixed.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:09:14 PM EDT
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Just trying to comprehend, when did car makers start warranting their cars forever? If you let your leaf springs rust to the point the move and piece the gas tak, is it not YOUR fault for not repainting/refinishing them? Sounds like FSA stuff to me. The problem with these leafs has been well known within the Tacoma community. The wear is not typical of what one might expect from truck leafs. Toyota replaced my 3-leaf pack for a 4-leaf pack 3 months after I bought the truck; did I fail to maintain? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:09:42 PM EDT
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Did my Frontier that I paid thousands less than a similar Taco get recalled? No. Lid I were going the compact truck route, it would be a frontier |
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