Portland’s blacks underrepresented on police force and overrepresented in arrests - Page 2

General » General Discussion

Site Notices

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Portland’s blacks underrepresented on police force and overrepresented in arrests (Page 2 of 3)

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:34:50 AM EDT

[#1]

Quote History

Quoted:

I believe this is actually spot-on.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Let me guess how they are going to change this.

The answer is more blacks in uniform but in a different role...meaning they don't have the full authority of police officers and don't have to meet the same standards. They will partner with the officers, always the white ones, and act as bi-lingual, bi-cultural advisors. Their job is to help the white officer gain full situational awareness in the ghetto environment and help diffuse situations that may lead to questionable arrests. Their presence will assure the black community leaders that there is over watch on the white power structure and the white management benefits by a black eyewitness to the white officers' actions confirming the officers' reports.

I believe this is actually spot-on.

So, basically comic-relief sidekicks?

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:36:44 AM EDT

[#2]

Gee, and here I thought the process went like:

Pool of applicants apply.
Most qualified applicants are considered.
Most qualified applicant is hired.

Just out of curiosity, barring qualification, do they have total numbers of applicants, by demographic breakdown?
If their argument is equally qualified officers are being turned away, gross applicant statistics/numbers would be helpful.

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:37:53 AM EDT

[#3]

Quote History

Quoted:

So, basically comic-relief sidekicks?

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Let me guess how they are going to change this.

The answer is more blacks in uniform but in a different role...meaning they don't have the full authority of police officers and don't have to meet the same standards. They will partner with the officers, always the white ones, and act as bi-lingual, bi-cultural advisors. Their job is to help the white officer gain full situational awareness in the ghetto environment and help diffuse situations that may lead to questionable arrests. Their presence will assure the black community leaders that there is over watch on the white power structure and the white management benefits by a black eyewitness to the white officers' actions confirming the officers' reports.

I believe this is actually spot-on.

So, basically comic-relief sidekicks?

Sidekicks who can tell the white officer to let the armed robbery suspect in possession go because, "I know his people. He a good kid."

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:40:30 AM EDT

[#4]

Quote History

Quoted:
They're going to make the police tests harder.

Much like Dear Leader Obama, the tests aren't stimulating enough to hold the attention of such intellects.

So...yeah, standards will definitely be raised and tests more challenging.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

Let me guess how they are going to change this.

They're going to make the police tests harder.

Much like Dear Leader Obama, the tests aren't stimulating enough to hold the attention of such intellects.

So...yeah, standards will definitely be raised and tests more challenging.

The Department of Justice forced us to make our tests easier to get more blacks on the department. They said we were discriminating through the use of "elevated standards".

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:40:40 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

. . . and so it begins, even here in Maine

http://bangordailynews.com/2014/09/29/news/portland/blacks-in-portland-arrested-at-disproportionate-rate-police-chief-admits/

PORTLAND, Maine — Portland’s black population is underrepresented on the city’s police force and overrepresented in the arrest logs, Police Chief Michael Sauschuck told an audience of more than 50 people Monday night.

Of Portland’s approximately 66,000 residents, 7 percent are black, according to 2010 U.S. Census figures.

Sauschuck said on Monday night that out of his 163 police officers, only three, or less than 2 percent, are black. Of the 3,500-plus arrests his department made in 2013, he said, 18 percent were arrests of black people.

View Quote

i will take supposed racism for 200 alex..

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:58:03 AM EDT

[#6]

Quote History

Quoted:
Yup that place sucks. F the city life.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

Portland

Yup that place sucks. F the city life.

Amen to that .

Having grown up in South Portland and actually living in Portland , Kennedy Park no less , back in the 80's , I agree wholeheartedly .....fuck the Greater-Portland shit-hole . I hate even driving through it on I-295

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:25:12 AM EDT

[#7]

Quote History

Quoted:

A couple of years ago, our HR was complaining to the Chief that we were not hiring enough women. One of our smart ass jailers started putting police applications in the female in-custody property bags when they were being released. HR got a 25% increase in female applicants and was rejecting 99% of those. The Chief told city council it was HR's fault for turning down applicant prior to processing. We never heard another word about it from HR.

True story.

View Quote

Brilliant!

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:35:04 AM EDT

[#8]

Here we go. They're gonna HUD your Sherriff's Dept. and really fuck shit up now. I'm not against diversity; diversity is a good thing. But this isn't really diversity. This will be about lowering standards and being forced to deal with the associated drop in quality that comes with lowering standards.

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:36:31 AM EDT

[#9]

Well if all the black dudes in Portland have a criminal history, what are they supposed to do?

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:38:37 AM EDT

[#10]

Portland, the liberal cess pool of Maine!!!

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:41:19 AM EDT

[#11]

Quote History

Quoted:
Well if all the black dudes in Portland have a criminal history, what are they supposed to do?

View Quote

Sort of like the "common denominator" that they're conveniently ignoring, huh? All this PC is just a lowering of the bar.

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:41:52 AM EDT

[#12]

I assume if you are a felon you can't be a cop so the imbalance is self-inflicted.

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:51:11 AM EDT

[#13]

Quote History

Quoted:
I assume if you are a felon you can't be a cop so the imbalance is self-inflicted.

View Quote

There's always Tennessee.

Posted: 9/30/2014 11:57:49 AM EDT

[#14]

Erect me if I am wrong......

But of the 8 Portland Trailblazers, 6 are Black. That is 75% of the the team.

That is a GROSS misrepresentation and I for one am going to protest until the percentage of Blacks on the Trailblazers is representative of the greater Portland population.

(disclaimer, I found this picture after a quick Google. I have no idea if this is the entire team, or just a part. I also assume the geeky white guy not in uniform is a water boy or coach or something so I did not count him)
YMMV
FBHO
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:05:24 PM EDT

[#15]

Quote History

Quoted:
So do they believe that hiring black cops will reduce black crime?
Will only black officers be called to black crime?

View Quote

That does not seem to be the goal of some of these activists. They don't seem to be interested in changing behaviors that result in arrests, rather change or end the enforcement of said negative behaviors. This is why so many black activists do their communities such grave injustices. They constanly search for external boogeymen, instead of addressing internal issues endemic in the black community.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:10:08 PM EDT

[#16]

Quote History

Quoted:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/leiasparents/Trail-Blazers_web_zps2a576e7c.jpg
Erect me if I am wrong......
But of the 8 Portland Trailblazers, 6 are Black. That is 75% of the the team.

That is a GROSS misrepresentation and I for one am going to protest until the percentage of Blacks on the Trailblazers is representative of the greater Portland population.
(disclaimer, I found this picture after a quick Google. I have no idea if this is the entire team, or just a part. I also assume the geeky white guy not in uniform is a water boy or coach or something so I did not count him)

YMMV

FBHO

Sic Semper Tyrannis

View Quote

Wrong Portland............go to Portland Oregon, head east until you hit the Atlantic ocean!!

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:10:48 PM EDT

[#17]

Quote History

Quoted:
<a href="http://s13.photobucket.com/user/leiasparents/media/Trail-Blazers_web_zps2a576e7c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/leiasparents/Trail-Blazers_web_zps2a576e7c.jpg</a>
Erect me if I am wrong......
But of the 8 Portland Trailblazers, 6 are Black. That is 75% of the the team.
That is a GROSS misrepresentation and I for one am going to protest until the percentage of Blacks on the Trailblazers is representative of the greater Portland population

View Quote

Wrong Portland.
ETA: Damn, 40 seconds.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:12:41 PM EDT

[#18]

I thought the title said "Poland" at first.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:14:21 PM EDT

[#19]

"Equality!"...But on a bell curve. That doesn't work.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:15:12 PM EDT

[#20]

Quote History

Quoted:

Just remember its a stereotype not a cold hard fact.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Just remember its a stereotype not a cold hard fact.

That black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to their percentage of population?

Um, it kind of is.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:15:31 PM EDT

[#21]

Portland Schmortland.

I stand firm in my assessment!!!!

Very firm.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:16:47 PM EDT

[#22]

There are black people in Maine?

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:19:02 PM EDT

[#23]

Quote History

Quoted:
There are black people in Maine?

View Quote

Yup.. I saw one once. Or was it Bigfoot?.....

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:22:14 PM EDT

[#24]

"The incarceration rate for African-Americans is about 3,074 per 100,000 residents, which is more than six times as high as the national average. Black men in their 20s and early 30s without a high school diploma are particularly vulnerable: with an incarceration rate of 40 percent, they are more likely to end up behind bars than in the workforce, Pew Charitable Trusts reports."

Fact is, the pool of eligible candidates (for policing, teaching, etc. all the jobs where blacks are under-represented) is too small to satisfy the activists' desires. One of two (if not both) things need to change: Blacks need to stop getting themselves jailed and / or we let felons teach our kids and police our streets. Hoping for the former instead of the latter probably makes me a racist but I'm used to it by now.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:23:24 PM EDT

[#25]

Quote History

Quoted:
There are black people in Maine?

View Quote

13 of them, but 92% graduate high school, so there is that.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:24:33 PM EDT

[#26]

Quote History

Quoted:
There are black people in Maine?

View Quote

Yes, not many though. Then since there were not enough black people in Maine, Somalis were imported.

Portland had a Black Police Chief for a while.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:26:11 PM EDT

[#27]

Quote History

Quoted:
so take sme of the blacks arrested and make them cops.
problem solved.

View Quote

nyc tried that a few years ago

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:29:22 PM EDT

[#28]

I have a good friend of mine who is black. We are both cops. He said it doesn't matter what race you are. You make the choice in life to be productive and contribute to society. Lowering standards so a certain race can get a job is a slap in the face. Basically saying your not good enough but we will take you anyway.

He said that is not who I want working with me. He served in the Army, and has a two year degree. He will tell you I worked for what I got and don't need a handout because of my race I wanted to succeed. He tells it like it is.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:33:08 PM EDT

[#29]

the other problem with hiring is probably 90% of those are recent somolian/ Angolan citizens who

A) don't speak English
B) aren't citizens

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:34:35 PM EDT

[#30]

Quote History

Quoted:
Maine has a 92% black high school graduation rate. That's #1 in the nation. Not so bad.

Florida's is 47%. And of those people, how many don't have a criminal record already and can write a report?

I knew a black guy who had a good attitude and got through the police academy. Wasn't super bright though. Took him three attempts to pass the state exam. After he got hired, he basically could not string sentences together to save his life and the department ended up firing him.

View Quote

Maine is what, 1% black,

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:36:05 PM EDT

[#31]

Quote History

Quoted:

Maine is what, 1% black,

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Maine has a 92% black high school graduation rate. That's #1 in the nation. Not so bad.

Florida's is 47%. And of those people, how many don't have a criminal record already and can write a report?

I knew a black guy who had a good attitude and got through the police academy. Wasn't super bright though. Took him three attempts to pass the state exam. After he got hired, he basically could not string sentences together to save his life and the department ended up firing him.

Maine is what, 1% black,

Yup... And we had to import the 1%.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:37:43 PM EDT

[#32]

maybe they should do "tag, you're it" recruiting with offenders.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:38:00 PM EDT

[#33]

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:38:17 PM EDT

[#34]

Quote History

Quoted:
Portland

View Quote

Is something wrong with Portland (beyond this article). The wife and I stopped there when on a cruise in north east and just fell in love with the city. Seemed like a place I would enjoy living in.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:56:11 PM EDT

[#35]

Quote History

Quoted:

NYC tried that a few years ago

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
So take some of the blacks arrested and make them cops.
problem solved.

NYC tried that a few years ago

NYC has been doing it for well over two decades.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:58:55 PM EDT

[#36]

They should identify as white, or at least Asian. They'd feel better and that's what it's all about....feelings.

I bet Asians are under-represented on police forces AND extremely under-represented on arrests.

Posted: 9/30/2014 12:59:10 PM EDT

[#37]

Maybe they wouldn't get arrested if they could fucking act right, regardless of color.

Culture, not race. It just so happens that that culture seems more prevalent in one race.

Posted: 9/30/2014 2:41:55 PM EDT

[#38]

Quote History

Quoted:
Yup... And we had to import the 1%.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:

Maine has a 92% black high school graduation rate. That's #1 in the nation. Not so bad.

Florida's is 47%. And of those people, how many don't have a criminal record already and can write a report?

I knew a black guy who had a good attitude and got through the police academy. Wasn't super bright though. Took him three attempts to pass the state exam. After he got hired, he basically could not string sentences together to save his life and the department ended up firing him.

Maine is what, 1% black,

Yup... And we had to import the 1%.

pretty much

Posted: 9/30/2014 2:45:46 PM EDT

[#39]

Quote History

Quoted:
Stereotypes exist for a reason.

View Quote

This.

Posted: 9/30/2014 6:00:40 PM EDT

[#40]

Quote History

Quoted:

Is something wrong with Portland (beyond this article). The wife and I stopped there when on a cruise in north east and just fell in love with the city. Seemed like a place I would enjoy living in.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Portland

Is something wrong with Portland (beyond this article). The wife and I stopped there when on a cruise in north east and just fell in love with the city. Seemed like a place I would enjoy living in.

Compared to other city's in the US it's not bad, as a guy that grew up in a town/country part of Me it's just a big headache. It's full of the liberal entitled crowd. It's like a Mass. Overflow city

Posted: 9/30/2014 6:03:05 PM EDT

[#41]

Quote History

Quoted:
So do they believe that hiring black cops will reduce black crime?
Will only black officers be called to black crime?

View Quote

They don't care about crime, they just want fewer black arrests. My baby aint did nuffin.

Posted: 9/30/2014 6:03:32 PM EDT

[#42]

Tell them to try harder in school and stop committing crimes as much. Seems simple.

I kill me, I really do

Posted: 9/30/2014 7:54:41 PM EDT

[#43]

Quote History

Quoted:

Is something wrong with Portland (beyond this article). The wife and I stopped there when on a cruise in north east and just fell in love with the city. Seemed like a place I would enjoy living in.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Portland

Is something wrong with Portland (beyond this article). The wife and I stopped there when on a cruise in north east and just fell in love with the city. Seemed like a place I would enjoy living in.

The city itself is fairly nice to visit as far as cities go. Maine is sort of a red state but you can't tell by the voting results because the three largest cities in Maine are filled with libs and FSA types who continually lobby to change the face of this state. The rest of us just want to be left the fuck alone. I have a buddy on the Portland PD/ SWAT. I'm supposed to see him next weekend so I'll have to razz him about this haha.

In reality, every black person in the state would have to be a LEO in order to get the ratio much higher than it is now. There just aren't a lot of (qualified) minorities available.

Posted: 9/30/2014 7:59:11 PM EDT

[#44]

Tell me where that doesn't happen.

BTW, I fought more whites than I did minorities (a supervisor told me about it and when he showed me the reports, he was right). Dunno about arrests though. Never kept statistics.

Posted: 9/30/2014 8:47:47 PM EDT

[#45]

Quote History

Quoted:
There are black people in Maine?

View Quote

And both of them were turned down by the cops, apparently.

Posted: 9/30/2014 8:56:29 PM EDT

[#46]

like seattle, its just a place I drive past without stopping on my way to much nicer places

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:01:46 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

. . . and so it begins, even here in Maine

http://bangordailynews.com/2014/09/29/news/portland/blacks-in-portland-arrested-at-disproportionate-rate-police-chief-admits/

PORTLAND, Maine — Portland’s black population is underrepresented on the city’s police force and overrepresented in the arrest logs, Police Chief Michael Sauschuck told an audience of more than 50 people Monday night.

Of Portland’s approximately 66,000 residents, 7 percent are black, according to 2010 U.S. Census figures.

Sauschuck said on Monday night that out of his 163 police officers, only three, or less than 2 percent, are black. Of the 3,500-plus arrests his department made in 2013, he said, 18 percent were arrests of black people.

View Quote

simple solution ...release half the prison population and give them 50 points on the civil service exam no background checks allowed.

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:31:57 PM EDT

[#48]

Nobody likes groups that are consistently badly behaved. This is reasonable and correct.

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:47:32 PM EDT

[#49]

so let's see, the article is also pointing out that blacks dont want to work and they are commiting a bulk of the crimes? i'm sorry, but this isnt the 1960s, i dont buy that there are crooked cops in EVERY state are running around arresting blacks for no reason. this is a problem with the their culture, and yes i mean blacks when i say "their". if they want to change it, then it's up to them. they arent owed any special treatment because of their skin color.