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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:12:08 PM EDT
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I'm just here for more Ebola haikus
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:13:04 PM EDT
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I'm just here for more Ebola haikus Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:27:31 PM EDT
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the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Ebola Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead You win
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:31:03 PM EDT
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By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:33:01 PM EDT
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Had to spring it early, didn't you? 
thesilvecord, in addition to your most recent fantastic claim, you said each of the things mentioned above and all have turned out to be false. It's pretty rare, even in GD, for anyone to repeatedly fabricate information. I'm trying to understand your angle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am saying that if you knew the same info from the strong sources that I have and you had the same relationship with them, you would think so too. But you don't. To you, I'm probably just some internet guy full of shit, and that's okay for you to believe like its okay for me to believe my trusted sources. Would these be the same sources who told you on Wednesday that there were 5-6 additional healthcare workers (other than Pham and Vinson) at Presby Dallas who were exhibiting Ebola-like symptoms? None of whom have since materialized? Or are these the sources that told you secretive federal agencies were calling Dallas to warn their families because they "knew how bad it was going to get" even before the CDC had confirmed Duncan? Had to spring it early, didn't you?
thesilvecord, in addition to your most recent fantastic claim, you said each of the things mentioned above and all have turned out to be false. It's pretty rare, even in GD, for anyone to repeatedly fabricate information. I'm trying to understand your angle. I haven't followed these claims, but odds are that "ebola-like symptoms" really means "flu-like symptoms". As the disease progresses and reveals itself as a condition other than ebola the story disappears, because it was never in the public eye to begin with. That's a claim I wouldn't say has been debunked. All of this is just a taste of what's to come this flu season if we don't convincingly squash this thing- a vicious cycle of secrecy, rumor, and inadequacy. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:37:51 PM EDT
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the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. What are your thoughts on something like multi-spectrum TB imported and spread by our "undocumented worker" population getting out of hand? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:38:38 PM EDT
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I haven't followed these claims, but odds are that "ebola-like symptoms" really means "flu-like symptoms". As the disease progresses and reveals itself as a condition other than ebola the story disappears, because it was never in the public eye to begin with. That's a claim I wouldn't say has been debunked. All of this is just a taste of what's to come this flu season if we don't convincingly squash this thing- a vicious cycle of secrecy, rumor, and inadequacy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am saying that if you knew the same info from the strong sources that I have and you had the same relationship with them, you would think so too. But you don't. To you, I'm probably just some internet guy full of shit, and that's okay for you to believe like its okay for me to believe my trusted sources. Would these be the same sources who told you on Wednesday that there were 5-6 additional healthcare workers (other than Pham and Vinson) at Presby Dallas who were exhibiting Ebola-like symptoms? None of whom have since materialized? Or are these the sources that told you secretive federal agencies were calling Dallas to warn their families because they "knew how bad it was going to get" even before the CDC had confirmed Duncan? Had to spring it early, didn't you?
thesilvecord, in addition to your most recent fantastic claim, you said each of the things mentioned above and all have turned out to be false. It's pretty rare, even in GD, for anyone to repeatedly fabricate information. I'm trying to understand your angle. I haven't followed these claims, but odds are that "ebola-like symptoms" really means "flu-like symptoms". As the disease progresses and reveals itself as a condition other than ebola the story disappears, because it was never in the public eye to begin with. That's a claim I wouldn't say has been debunked. All of this is just a taste of what's to come this flu season if we don't convincingly squash this thing- a vicious cycle of secrecy, rumor, and inadequacy. Nah...you have to follow the thread. thesilvercord has made several claims to being a "hospital manager" in Dallas with inside information. He's claimed that there have been multiple Ebola patients that are being kept secret. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:39:19 PM EDT
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?). |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:39:31 PM EDT
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What are your thoughts on something like multi-spectrum TB imported and spread by our "undocumented worker" population getting out of hand? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. What are your thoughts on something like multi-spectrum TB imported and spread by our "undocumented worker" population getting out of hand? it's been here for several years. still hasn't become a huge issue. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:40:16 PM EDT
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Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?). you do actually understand how and why they got it don't you. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:40:20 PM EDT
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Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just here for more Ebola haikus Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Or just a trashy Limerick |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:41:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm just here for more Ebola haikus Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Or maybe a limerick? There was a young man with Ebola With blood coming out his asshola He flew o'er the sea And landed near me Why couldn't his kin been in NOLA? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:47:06 PM EDT
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you do actually understand how and why they got it don't you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?). you do actually understand how and why they got it don't you. Um, yes. They contracted it right here in the good old United States of America. Right??? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:51:49 PM EDT
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I think his point is that healthcare workers are at risk when caring for patients in the later stages of the disease, no matter where they are.
The boyfriends aren't infected, just FYI. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:56:06 PM EDT
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I think his point is that healthcare workers are at risk when caring for patients in the later stages of the disease, no matter where they are. The boyfriends aren't infected, just FYI. Thank you for the logical and informative reply, sans Baghdad Bobbing. I'm glad to hear the boyfriends don't have it. I don't have the time to follow this thread in detail. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:59:08 PM EDT
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Quote Historythe system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?) you do actually understand how and why they got it don't you. Um, yes. They contracted it right here in the good old United States of America. Right??? but the CDC, the NIH, and the WH all have said that was highly unlikely, that they were on top of it, in fact the POTUS even said so, he referred to it as a rare event, or rare chance, or something like that..........didn't he? Does he know that words mean things? |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:59:32 PM EDT
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No new infections for 5 days.
Study predicts Ebola spread and up to three infected could be in the US each month according to the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-study-projects-spread-of-virus-1413846023?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:07:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or just a trashy Limerick Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm just here for more Ebola haikus Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Or just a trashy Limerick Great minds think alike The sidewalk was covered in vomit They should've just cleaned it with Comet They sprayed it instead Now it falls on my head If I had a mask I would don it |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:18:32 PM EDT
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Obamacare in the age of Ebola.................
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:29:28 PM EDT
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No new infections for 5 days. Study predicts Ebola spread and up to three infected could be in the US each month according to the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-study-projects-spread-of-virus-1413846023?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories I posted some rough projections and likelihoods based on reported cases. Unfortunately, with Liberia giving up on reporting, I'm now modifying these probabilities based on the CDC/WHO projections, instead of just using the reported numbers. ETA: And thank you for that link. I've pulled up the Lancet paper and will read through it later tonight. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:17:39 PM EDT
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Cruise ship case tested negative.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:24:06 PM EDT
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No new infections for 5 days. Study predicts Ebola spread and up to three infected could be in the US each month according to the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-study-projects-spread-of-virus-1413846023?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories After reading through the WSJ article and the original Lancet publication, the study does not project 3 cases imported into the US each month. The study projects 2.8 to 7.1 exported cases from Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea each month, depending on the level of air travel availability (7.1/month unrestricted, 2.8/month with some restrictions). Of all outbound passengers from these three countries, only 2% are projected to arrive in the US. So, between 9/1 and 12/31 that's roughly 11.2 to 28.4 infected passengers leaving the three countries, with 2% arriving in the US - so that's fractions of a person arriving in the US by 12/31 - according to the study. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:39:54 PM EDT
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So of the eight folks treated for Ebola in the US during this scare, only Duncan has died, correct?
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:44:27 PM EDT
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After reading through the WSJ article and the original Lancet publication, the study does not project 3 cases imported into the US each month. The study projects 2.8 to 7.1 exported cases from Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea each month, depending on the level of air travel availability (7.1/month unrestricted, 2.8/month with some restrictions). Of all outbound passengers from these three countries, only 2% are projected to arrive in the US. So, between 9/1 and 12/31 that's roughly 11.2 to 28.4 infected passengers leaving the three countries, with 2% arriving in the US - so that's fractions of a person arriving in the US by 12/31 - according to the study. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No new infections for 5 days. Study predicts Ebola spread and up to three infected could be in the US each month according to the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-study-projects-spread-of-virus-1413846023?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories After reading through the WSJ article and the original Lancet publication, the study does not project 3 cases imported into the US each month. The study projects 2.8 to 7.1 exported cases from Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea each month, depending on the level of air travel availability (7.1/month unrestricted, 2.8/month with some restrictions). Of all outbound passengers from these three countries, only 2% are projected to arrive in the US. So, between 9/1 and 12/31 that's roughly 11.2 to 28.4 infected passengers leaving the three countries, with 2% arriving in the US - so that's fractions of a person arriving in the US by 12/31 - according to the study. Yeah, I jumped the gun a bit... "The two countries at highest risk of importing Ebola cases are Ghana and Senegal. Senegal has had one Ebola scare involving a person who traveled overland from Guinea. The risk to European countries or the U.S. is considerably less, showed the study that was funded by the Canadian Institutes for Health Research. The research concludes that for every case exported to the U.S., there will be about eight cases exported to the U.K. and France combined." BTW, they are training some Liberian Drs and health care workers in some upcoming Ebola training sessions at Anniston, AL. They have already finished one class for mostly stateside workers to travel over to W. Africa. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:49:54 PM EDT
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I am surprised that we did not ship him off to qt.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:51:39 PM EDT
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I've heard from more than one person in the Dallas area that has ties in the medical community that they suspect they're using HIPAA to keep the lid on info about additional cases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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question about pham's boy friend - jenkins hemed and hawed, finally said due to hipaa he wouldn't say anything I've heard from more than one person in the Dallas area that has ties in the medical community that they suspect they're using HIPAA to keep the lid on info about additional cases. Keep your eyes on the news it's going to break anytime, my source is 100% reliable. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: apparently so Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whatever happened to the doc in Dallas? Another false flag from a friend of a friend of an Arfcomer? apparently so My shocked face.  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:00:02 AM EDT
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Pham got a transfusion from an immune person for this strain, which IIRC is the Zaire. Vinson did not, so I think we not see the same outcome in both. The infected UN Aid worker in Germany has died IIRC. Haven't heard anything about the Spanish nurse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder how she's doing. I know the family is trying to stay quiet on her condition, but you'd think there would've been some update since they moved her. We've heard how Pham is, but not Vinson. I can see how patient privacy is important but her condition is a legitimate concern for the public. Article I read earlier specifically stated that the Vinsons did not give permission to release her condition. Think it was on CNN.com. Pham got a transfusion from an immune person for this strain, which IIRC is the Zaire. Vinson did not, so I think we not see the same outcome in both. The infected UN Aid worker in Germany has died IIRC. Haven't heard anything about the Spanish nurse. She is ebola free and going home. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:03:12 AM EDT
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Whatever happened to the doc in Dallas? Another false flag from a friend of a friend of an Arfcomer? That would be correct just like all the others. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:03:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would these be the same sources who told you on Wednesday that there were 5-6 additional healthcare workers (other than Pham and Vinson) at Presby Dallas who were exhibiting Ebola-like symptoms? None of whom have since materialized? Or are these the sources that told you secretive federal agencies were calling Dallas to warn their families because they "knew how bad it was going to get" even before the CDC had confirmed Duncan? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am saying that if you knew the same info from the strong sources that I have and you had the same relationship with them, you would think so too. But you don't. To you, I'm probably just some internet guy full of shit, and that's okay for you to believe like its okay for me to believe my trusted sources. Would these be the same sources who told you on Wednesday that there were 5-6 additional healthcare workers (other than Pham and Vinson) at Presby Dallas who were exhibiting Ebola-like symptoms? None of whom have since materialized? Or are these the sources that told you secretive federal agencies were calling Dallas to warn their families because they "knew how bad it was going to get" even before the CDC had confirmed Duncan? Ooooh, someone needs this.  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:06:22 AM EDT
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I searched Arfcom for this one but didn't see it anywhere. EMT relative of mine (married to a city cop) told me this morning that there is a confirmed case at Ben Taub hospital here in Houston but the hospital isn't making it public. He received his information from a friend that works in the ER there. Is it true? Hell, I don't know. I'm not posting this saying it is...just that a very reliable source OF MINE thinks it is. Hopefully it isn't. No it isn't, every time one of these rumors sounds like six degrees of Kevin bacon its bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Obola & Czar
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:09:46 AM EDT
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Yeah, and in light of the above, any intimation that there are "secret" Ebola cases out there is just fucking stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that containment is a huge part of dealing with an outbreak of something like Ebola, trying to keep the existence of a patient a secret is phenominally stupid. The authorities would have to contact people with whom the patient has had contact, and there's no way that'd be staying a secret. It's just not something you could rationally expect to keep under wraps. Yeah, and in light of the above, any intimation that there are "secret" Ebola cases out there is just fucking stupid. +1 I would support an auto ban for anyone posting the "I heard from a trusted source" rumors. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:10:19 AM EDT
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So of the eight folks treated for Ebola in the US during this scare, only Duncan has died, correct? By my figurin', that ain't 70%. Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:14:51 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mind doing the dancing banana with Pham.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:15:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So of the eight folks treated for Ebola in the US during this scare, only Duncan has died, correct? By my figurin', that ain't 70%. Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. From what I understand the key to survival is maintaining hydration and electrolyte balance during the illness. That's relatively easy to do here in the US; in Africa, it's downright impossible for the average patient. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:16:15 AM EDT
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Obola & Czar Fear their reflection in The bloody vomitus. Fail. These damn 14ers Personal attack that was Hope I don't get banned |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:19:19 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mind doing the dancing banana with Pham. I'd require two negative ebola test first.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:22:54 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mind doing the dancing banana with Pham. I'd require two negative ebola test first. I was going to say something filthy involving duct tape and MOPP gear, but she's just too damned cute. I hope she comes through just fine. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:28:16 AM EDT
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Yeah, I jumped the gun a bit... "The two countries at highest risk of importing Ebola cases are Ghana and Senegal. Senegal has had one Ebola scare involving a person who traveled overland from Guinea. The risk to European countries or the U.S. is considerably less, showed the study that was funded by the Canadian Institutes for Health Research. The research concludes that for every case exported to the U.S., there will be about eight cases exported to the U.K. and France combined." BTW, they are training some Liberian Drs and health care workers in some upcoming Ebola training sessions at Anniston, AL. They have already finished one class for mostly stateside workers to travel over to W. Africa. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No new infections for 5 days. Study predicts Ebola spread and up to three infected could be in the US each month according to the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-study-projects-spread-of-virus-1413846023?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories After reading through the WSJ article and the original Lancet publication, the study does not project 3 cases imported into the US each month. The study projects 2.8 to 7.1 exported cases from Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea each month, depending on the level of air travel availability (7.1/month unrestricted, 2.8/month with some restrictions). Of all outbound passengers from these three countries, only 2% are projected to arrive in the US. So, between 9/1 and 12/31 that's roughly 11.2 to 28.4 infected passengers leaving the three countries, with 2% arriving in the US - so that's fractions of a person arriving in the US by 12/31 - according to the study. Yeah, I jumped the gun a bit... "The two countries at highest risk of importing Ebola cases are Ghana and Senegal. Senegal has had one Ebola scare involving a person who traveled overland from Guinea. The risk to European countries or the U.S. is considerably less, showed the study that was funded by the Canadian Institutes for Health Research. The research concludes that for every case exported to the U.S., there will be about eight cases exported to the U.K. and France combined." BTW, they are training some Liberian Drs and health care workers in some upcoming Ebola training sessions at Anniston, AL. They have already finished one class for mostly stateside workers to travel over to W. Africa. I just worked the Lancet-based export numbers into my reported-cases spreadsheet by the following destinations: US, Canada, EU, Africa, Lebanon, India and China I now feel like a jerk for not treating the UK separately, since we have a number of Arfcom members who post from the UK, but since none of them are in this thread, I shall declare them to be the jerks. If they want their own special numbers, they can just multiply my EU figures by 0.399. And, no, I don't know why Lebanon is it's own category - parse through the Lancet stuff and tell me that you wouldn't do the same thing! Based on reported cases, the US should have seen 0.1 infected cases from Liberia since the start of the epidemic. But, that's reported cases. Actual cases in Liberia, as of today, are possibly 10 times higher than reported, so that puts us at 1.0 imports from Liberia - Duncan. But, by this measure, the EU should have seen 11 imports by now (based on projections, not reported), and as far as I'm aware, they've only seen medical evacs, leaving them at 0 imports. So, through today, the probability of imports into the US isn't significant, but with each passing week, we need to re-evaluate the benefit to the affected areas by our holding off on travel restrictions. Once we start restricting travel, other western nations will follow suit, and that will complicate mitigation efforts in the most stricken areas. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:29:36 AM EDT
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I'm just here for more Ebola haikus Getting kinda tired of Haikus. How about a nice rousing sonnet? Or just a trashy Limerick Great minds think alike
The sidewalk was covered in vomit They should've just cleaned it with Comet They sprayed it instead Now it falls on my head If I had a mask I would don it excellent! 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:32:55 AM EDT
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Obola & Czar Fear their reflection in The bloody vomitus. Fail. These damn 14ers Personal attack that was Hope I don't get banned I avoid the Haiku thing on principle, but yours is worth of an enthusiastic thumbs up - at least with respect to the content. I think many of the other Haikus have superior artistic merit, though. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:55:28 AM EDT
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Nah...you have to follow the thread. thesilvercord has made several claims to being a "hospital manager" in Dallas with inside information. He's claimed that there have been multiple Ebola patients that are being kept secret. I guess we'll see, but that does seem extremely unlikely considering how much vocal criticism there was from Presbyterian nurses. Whatever. Good to see the chicken littles have found something else to do. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:02:31 AM EDT
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Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So of the eight folks treated for Ebola in the US during this scare, only Duncan has died, correct? By my figurin', that ain't 70%. Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. I wouldn't be surprised if we can keep it well below 50%. Imagine trying to dispose of 5 liters of infectious shit and vomit every day without plumbing and disinfectant. ETA- Also this. Quoted:
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:21:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:51:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I understand the key to survival is maintaining hydration and electrolyte balance during the illness. That's relatively easy to do here in the US; in Africa, it's downright impossible for the average patient. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So of the eight folks treated for Ebola in the US during this scare, only Duncan has died, correct? By my figurin', that ain't 70%. Western medicine's pretty cool. Duncan was 13 days from initial hospital visit to death, and was symptomatic a couple days before. Vinson & Pham probably entered isolation at an earlier phase than Duncan. Pham is on day 10 of hospitalization, and Vinson is on day 6. I still wouldn't be doing the dancing banana yet, since we don't yet know how the two nurses are doing. There's a lot of crap, so to speak, that could still happen. If good care here in the US can actually bring EVD CFR down to 12.5%, I'll be happily amazed. From what I understand the key to survival is maintaining hydration and electrolyte balance during the illness. That's relatively easy to do here in the US; in Africa, it's downright impossible for the average patient. In one of the vice documentaries where they were interviewing the head Doc, he made specific mention that they were unable to monitor fluid in/out, or electrolytes. |
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If you call EMS and answer yes to a couple questions, have over 101.5 fever, you are QT on the spot if at home, and the State Health Department steps in. Many changes in HC/EMS procedures are coming. New CDC guidelines by weekend. Slowly but surely the system is waking up and changing for the better. the system takes time to learn and implement changes. been saying this from the start. it's also why i fully believed we will never see a liberia style ebola event here. we have the education, resources and hygiene to stop it. By the time they are all asking the right questions, the questions will be wrong. except in this case Isn't "Have you been to Africa recently?" the alarm bell question? Already irrelevant for both nurses and their boyfriends (do the boyfriends actually have the Ebola?). Kinda like the TSA announcement in airports about unattended bags, after the jihadis hijacked jets and flew them into buildings abd trued to blow up their shoes and underwear, why is the TSA still concerned with unattended bags inside the sure area where everything is supposedly screened? |
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