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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:51:03 PM EDT
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There is no "contract" for military "pensions." No union, no guarantees. This year alone a shitload of people got sent packing with no vest squat because Congress decided the military isn't needed so much these days. I guess they don't watch the news. Alas, we live by the reality of supply and demand - a reality many public employee unions have no concept of. Just, fortunately, we have enough of an electorate that there is outrage when people who do manage to reach "retirement" get too fucked. Still, you have to be a retiring general officer to see anywhere close to 100K a year. Most military retirement is less (often far less) than 40K a year, with the most senior officers with 30+ years getting around 80K. And, as has to be reminded to people in these thread, that's legally retainer pay for officers, though they drop you off the rolls at a certain age and you should be in the clear. There's no padding, no manipulating, no opaque drug deals where the public thinks we get "x" but we are actually getting "X times Y." Very, very few municipal governments are as transparent with their pay as the military. These kinds of threads aren't needed, because there are no surprises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They need to be compensated the way the contract they signed is written. That only works in military pension threads. I suspect you are correct, I personally try to keep my hypocrisy to a minimum.  There is no "contract" for military "pensions." No union, no guarantees. This year alone a shitload of people got sent packing with no vest squat because Congress decided the military isn't needed so much these days. I guess they don't watch the news. Alas, we live by the reality of supply and demand - a reality many public employee unions have no concept of. Just, fortunately, we have enough of an electorate that there is outrage when people who do manage to reach "retirement" get too fucked. Still, you have to be a retiring general officer to see anywhere close to 100K a year. Most military retirement is less (often far less) than 40K a year, with the most senior officers with 30+ years getting around 80K. And, as has to be reminded to people in these thread, that's legally retainer pay for officers, though they drop you off the rolls at a certain age and you should be in the clear. There's no padding, no manipulating, no opaque drug deals where the public thinks we get "x" but we are actually getting "X times Y." Very, very few municipal governments are as transparent with their pay as the military. These kinds of threads aren't needed, because there are no surprises. 80K? Most retire around the 22-24 year mark and very few get anywhere near 80K |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:53:16 PM EDT
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They need to be compensated the way the contract they signed is written. That only works in military pension threads. I suspect you are correct, I personally try to keep my hypocrisy to a minimum. There is no "contract" for military "pensions." No union, no guarantees. This year alone a shitload of people got sent packing with no vest squat because Congress decided the military isn't needed so much these days. I guess they don't watch the news. Alas, we live by the reality of supply and demand - a reality many public employee unions have no concept of. Just, fortunately, we have enough of an electorate that there is outrage when people who do manage to reach "retirement" get too fucked. Still, you have to be a retiring general officer to see anywhere close to 100K a year. Most military retirement is less (often far less) than 40K a year, with the most senior officers with 30+ years getting around 80K. And, as has to be reminded to people in these thread, that's legally retainer pay for officers, though they drop you off the rolls at a certain age and you should be in the clear. There's no padding, no manipulating, no opaque drug deals where the public thinks we get "x" but we are actually getting "X times Y." Very, very few municipal governments are as transparent with their pay as the military. These kinds of threads aren't needed, because there are no surprises. 80K? Most retire around the 22-24 year mark and very few get anywhere near 80K "with the most senior officers with 30+ years getting around 80K" The most senior guys aren't retiring at the 22-24 year mark. They are getting out as O-6 or higher with 30 years. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:56:23 PM EDT
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The most senior guys aren't retiring at the 22-24 year mark. They are getting out as O-6 or higher with 30 years. You are talking like less than 1 percent of retirees, which in itself is around 17 percent of the force. The average retirement ranks are 05 and E7 |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:57:26 PM EDT
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You are talking like less than 1 percent of retirees, which in itself is around 17 percent of the force. The average retirement ranks are 05 and E7 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The most senior guys aren't retiring at the 22-24 year mark. They are getting out as O-6 or higher with 30 years. You are talking like less than 1 percent of retirees, which in itself is around 17 percent of the force. The average retirement ranks are 05 and E7 Never said otherwise. In fact, I said "Most military retirement is less (often far less) than 40K a year," |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:59:31 PM EDT
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The most senior guys aren't retiring at the 22-24 year mark. They are getting out as O-6 or higher with 30 years. You are talking like less than 1 percent of retirees, which in itself is around 17 percent of the force. The average retirement ranks are 05 and E7 Never said otherwise. True enough, the average retainer pay for a service member pails compared to the figures cited in the original story. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:06:17 PM EDT
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Highest paid ny .gov employee, the Govenor? A judge? Maybe a state employed doctor? Nope warden of the Suffolk county jail- $414k a year Even cops in the buffalo suburbs are knocking down near six figure salaries http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/lackawanna-cop-has-top-municipal-pay-20140724 Skip to the bottom and there is a list of buffalo fire and police making over $ 150k Then they should start hiring people instead of paying out lucrative OT............Those cops and Fireman making that much money are working 85-90 hours a week |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:16:46 PM EDT
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Our guys on the island make over $170k with OT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it's one of the counties on Long Island she's going to make a lot more than $80k if she likes OT. I believe it is Westchester County. $80k sounds about right from what I see online about their salary. They have retarded amounts of OT. $100k without even trying. Our guys on the island make over $170k with OT. Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:23:58 PM EDT
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. Now that's some OT. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:27:31 PM EDT
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. Now that's some OT. It's uncommon but you can do it if you really want to. As a matter of fact, at my old job we had a guy make 215 or 220 in his last year when base was only $64k. You really need to bust your ass for that kind of OT up here. I'd take a job out on the island any day. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:28:52 PM EDT
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It's uncommon but you can do it if you really want to. As a matter of fact, at my old job we had a guy make 215 or 220 in his last year when base was only $64k. You really need to bust your ass for that kind of OT up here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. Now that's some OT. It's uncommon but you can do it if you really want to. As a matter of fact, at my old job we had a guy make 215 or 220 in his last year when base was only $64k. You really need to bust your ass for that kind of OT up here. Like the PAPD cop who broke $300k. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:30:20 PM EDT
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Like the PAPD cop who broke $300k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. Now that's some OT. It's uncommon but you can do it if you really want to. As a matter of fact, at my old job we had a guy make 215 or 220 in his last year when base was only $64k. You really need to bust your ass for that kind of OT up here. Like the PAPD cop who broke $300k. There were some MTA guys that were killing it too a couple years back. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:36:32 PM EDT
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Raise your flipper if you have a traditional pension (pension, not 401K) and don't work for the government I did and retired three years ago. Our system was a triad, retirement pay, Social security, and your 401k. Typically retirement pay was between $20 to 30k depending on your highest 5 years. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:39:02 PM EDT
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I didn't read all 7 pages, but why don't government employees have a 401k or some other retirement plan which is funded directly by the employee and employer?
Gov't pensions seem unsustainable even to an economic halfwit like me. I suppose sustainability and government don't usually jive. The nearest city to me is Scranton PA where a commuter tax was recently imposed due directly to the unsustainable police and fire pensions. Apparently, the city is on the verge of bankruptcy. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't read all 7 pages, but why don't government employees have a 401k or some other retirement plan which is funded directly by the employee and employer? Gov't pensions seem unsustainable even to an economic halfwit like me. I suppose sustainability and government don't usually jive. The nearest city to me is Scranton PA where a commuter tax was recently imposed due directly to the unsustainable police and fire pensions. Apparently, the city is on the verge of bankruptcy. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:05:29 PM EDT
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Good luck with that. That is partially the only reason the government has employees. force it to compete dollar for dollar with the free market and watch. Hell its hard enough for most open positions to find candidates now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. Good luck with that. That is partially the only reason the government has employees. force it to compete dollar for dollar with the free market and watch. Hell its hard enough for most open positions to find candidates now. Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. If it did reduce the number of government employees, that would be a good thing too. We can't afford government pensions, they need to go. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:05:58 PM EDT
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They need to be compensated the way the contract they signed is written. That only works in military pension threads. *snort* Military retainer pay is often incorrectly referred to as retirement pay; those in receipt have been recalled to duty to include cases of return to duty for punishment for transgressions Create a thread on military pensions... let me know how it goes. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:07:10 PM EDT
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I pay into SS, pension, and 401k with my county gov job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I pay into SS, pension, and 401k with my county gov job. Good, all civilian government employees should. There should be no contribution matching by the taxpayers. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:08:41 PM EDT
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. 'Define civilian'. Or do you consider military outside of your argument? Since when is military considered civilian? Civilian is all non military. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:08:53 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. At the same salary? Good luck. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Good, all civilian government employees should. There should be no contribution matching by the taxpayers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I pay into SS, pension, and 401k with my county gov job. Good, all civilian government employees should. There should be no contribution matching by the taxpayers. My private sector job contributes to my retirement, why shouldn't the public? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:10:34 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. At the same salary? Good luck. People would take it as a stepping stone, then bail ASAP. The ones left, are the ones that you don't want around. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You really think a 3rd grade art teacher is a needed job? Those kids won't make it through life having not traced their hands and made a Turkey out of it? That may be true in NY, but in OK, teachers get paid around $15/hr including benefits. It's a salaried position though so the slackers that don't prepare for class have hourly rates that would be higher. Despite retirements and layoffs, the number of teachers and administrators earning more than $100,000 a year climbed 40 percent over the past five years, state records show. My wife has a long way to go. But our health insurance is fucking awesome.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:16:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A small percent of the private sector labor force has a pension plan. Last numbers I recall seeing pegged it somewhere around 10-12% of the private sector work force. Granted, a sizable percent of the private sector workforce also has no retirement plan at all because the jobs are bottom rung hotel maid or burger flipper jobs. I have a friend that works for one of the top five biggest financial companies in the world. His private sector pension is vastly superior to my government sector pension. I think that is a rarity these days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Raise your flipper if you have a traditional pension (pension, not 401K) and don't work for the government A small percent of the private sector labor force has a pension plan. Last numbers I recall seeing pegged it somewhere around 10-12% of the private sector work force. Granted, a sizable percent of the private sector workforce also has no retirement plan at all because the jobs are bottom rung hotel maid or burger flipper jobs. I have a friend that works for one of the top five biggest financial companies in the world. His private sector pension is vastly superior to my government sector pension. I think that is a rarity these days. I haven't had a client with a private sector defined benefit plan who was under 55 or 60 years old in the 8 years that I've practiced law.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:28:41 PM EDT
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What do you think a pension is, a free thing they get just for being a public employee. The vast majority of government pension plans require the employee to contribute a percent of their gross pay (usually between 5%-8%) into the plan. I'd call that saving for retirement.Also, most DO pay into Social Security. The problem with Arfcom GD discussions on government wages or retirement (and why it cannot be a rational discussion) is there is just a shit ton of envy coming from the legions of widget manufacturing laborers who thought their high school GED was sufficient education. "That government employee with a law degree is earning $120k/yr while me with my high school GED and truck driver's license only earns $45k/yr! "Soooo unfair, those government employees shouldn't earn more than the people paying their salaries!!! Waahhhhh." Grow up people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. What do you think a pension is, a free thing they get just for being a public employee. The vast majority of government pension plans require the employee to contribute a percent of their gross pay (usually between 5%-8%) into the plan. I'd call that saving for retirement.Also, most DO pay into Social Security. The problem with Arfcom GD discussions on government wages or retirement (and why it cannot be a rational discussion) is there is just a shit ton of envy coming from the legions of widget manufacturing laborers who thought their high school GED was sufficient education. "That government employee with a law degree is earning $120k/yr while me with my high school GED and truck driver's license only earns $45k/yr! "Soooo unfair, those government employees shouldn't earn more than the people paying their salaries!!! Waahhhhh." Grow up people. 5-8% is a very small contribution. It should be 100%. The primary problems with government employees are that the majority of their jobs should not exist in the first place, there are far too many of them, their productivity and competence is poor, and they are overcompensated. If they had more self respect they might become productive citizens. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:29:56 PM EDT
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I'd love to see the recruitment ads the department would try and come up with if that was the case. Just a drop in starting pay without any changes to pension and benefits several years back caused the applicant pool to dry up almost immediately. The department was forced to raise the starting pay back to where it was because they couldn't find people willing to take the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I'd love to see the recruitment ads the department would try and come up with if that was the case. Just a drop in starting pay without any changes to pension and benefits several years back caused the applicant pool to dry up almost immediately. The department was forced to raise the starting pay back to where it was because they couldn't find people willing to take the job. Good, saves the taxpayers money. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:32:24 PM EDT
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I'd love to see the recruitment ads the department would try and come up with if that was the case. Just a drop in starting pay without any changes to pension and benefits several years back caused the applicant pool to dry up almost immediately. The department was forced to raise the starting pay back to where it was because they couldn't find people willing to take the job. Good, saves the taxpayers money. Nah, I need new guys to keep paying in so I can keep getting paid. Luckily the residents agree and keep crying for more cops to be hired. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:38:22 PM EDT
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I'm just checking for Extorris' latest pension improvement story.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:40:29 PM EDT
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Not sure if I'm really going to be ready to retire at 41....
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:42:20 PM EDT
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My private sector job contributes to my retirement, why shouldn't the public? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I pay into SS, pension, and 401k with my county gov job. Good, all civilian government employees should. There should be no contribution matching by the taxpayers. My private sector job contributes to my retirement, why shouldn't the public? Private sector chooses to contribute. All money that is "contributed" to government employees is confiscated from the producers at the point of a gun. Since the public sector is larger than the productive sector, they vote themselves inordinately high salaries and overly generous benefits. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:44:53 PM EDT
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Nah, I need new guys to keep paying in so I can keep getting paid. Luckily the residents agree and keep crying for more cops to be hired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I'd love to see the recruitment ads the department would try and come up with if that was the case. Just a drop in starting pay without any changes to pension and benefits several years back caused the applicant pool to dry up almost immediately. The department was forced to raise the starting pay back to where it was because they couldn't find people willing to take the job. Good, saves the taxpayers money. Nah, I need new guys to keep paying in so I can keep getting paid. Luckily the residents agree and keep crying for more cops to be hired. I'm glad New Yorkers got stuck paying your pension, you are entertaining. New Yorkers owe Floridians at least some entertainment for what they have done to South Florida. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:50:18 PM EDT
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Blah blah fucking blah. Here we go again bagging on the firemen and cops because we have a pension. How many times had this been hashed out this year?
The most I can make when I max at 32 years is 74% of a first class private. No overtime, no top three years etc. Everyone always wants to bitch and complain about police and fire pensions and try to rob from them for this and that. Well fuck you and them. Unless you have been shot at by some scumbag or had to crawl down the hall of a boarded up vacant blowing fire over your head looking for the heroin junkie that started a fire to keep warm in sub zero temps fuck you(.mil excluded and thank you for your service) If you thought it was better in the private sector or were too much of a chicken shit to take the test then I guess you should just say thank you and continue to support your local police and firemen. I busted my ass to get on the fire dept. I didnt have family on and I am not a minority or a woman so I was behind the 8ball to start. I studied, worked out etc to be the best and was #1 for a reason. I did all of this knowing that my life would be shorter than the average joe on the street. I did it knowing that cancer is MANY times the normal person, that divorce rates are in the high 70's, that I would miss vacations, holidays, kids games and plays etc. They take applications every 2 years around here. All there is to do is sign up, do better than several thousand other people in the process and give up everything I listed before. I do it willingly without thought or reservation. I will lay down my life for yours and you want to complain about my pension. i direct this at no one in particular and am sorry if I offended anyone. I am just venting. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:52:19 PM EDT
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. That's unsafe and bad management. We wouldn't let truck drivers work those kind of hours, why do we let folks with the power of life and death strapped to their hips work those kinds of hours? |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:56:31 PM EDT
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That's unsafe and bad management. We wouldn't let truck drivers work those kind of hours, why do we let folks with the power of life and death strapped to their hips work those kinds of hours? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guy up here made over $240 last year with a much lower base than Nassau or Suffolk. That's unsafe and bad management. We wouldn't let truck drivers work those kind of hours, why do we let folks with the power of life and death strapped to their hips work those kinds of hours? PAPD has a top step base of $90k and had a guy break $300k. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:58:05 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. If it did reduce the number of government employees, that would be a good thing too. We can't afford government pensions, they need to go. I could leave tomorrow and make 100k. You are full of dogshit. 100k won;t pay my bills, however, so I will stay at least five more years. And, then I will get a job that pays alot more than 100k and you will still be a loser. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:59:48 PM EDT
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I'd love to see the recruitment ads the department would try and come up with if that was the case. Just a drop in starting pay without any changes to pension and benefits several years back caused the applicant pool to dry up almost immediately. The department was forced to raise the starting pay back to where it was because they couldn't find people willing to take the job. Good, saves the taxpayers money. Nah, I need new guys to keep paying in so I can keep getting paid. Luckily the residents agree and keep crying for more cops to be hired. I'm glad New Yorkers got stuck paying your pension, you are entertaining. New Yorkers owe Floridians at least some entertainment for what they have done to South Florida. I don't mind paying his pension. Someone will pay mine soon enough. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:02:36 PM EDT
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These threads are stupid. Low base salary is the penalty and early retirement is the benefit.
I have lived pretty much hand to mouth and my reward is I don't have to fight bad guys when I am old. My pension is based on base salary not OT. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:04:28 PM EDT
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Then pay them equivalent pay. I have 741 employees and supervise a gigantic complex. I do not make what a civilian whom supervises that many employees makes. I would bet I make less than 20% of what they make. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:07:38 PM EDT
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Nope warden of the Suffolk county jail- $414k a year You just answered a question Ive had all my childhood. My best friends father has been on retirement for at least 25 or so years, never worked when I met my friend in 4th grade.He was a warden in NY. This explains why. Wardens in Texas don't make 1/4 of that. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:11:45 PM EDT
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I don't mind paying his pension. Someone will pay mine soon enough. It's the circle of life Simba. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:20:13 PM EDT
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That's State and Local Retirees, Federal Retirees make considerably less
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:21:21 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. At the same salary? Good luck. Who the hell can afford to live here with the property taxes. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:30:22 PM EDT
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http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2013/10/06/more-ny-educator-salaries-top-100000-/2933899/ Despite retirements and layoffs, the number of teachers and administrators earning more than $100,000 a year climbed 40 percent over the past five years, state records show. My wife has a long way to go. But our health insurance is fucking awesome.
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You really think a 3rd grade art teacher is a needed job? Those kids won't make it through life having not traced their hands and made a Turkey out of it? That may be true in NY, but in OK, teachers get paid around $15/hr including benefits. It's a salaried position though so the slackers that don't prepare for class have hourly rates that would be higher.
Despite retirements and layoffs, the number of teachers and administrators earning more than $100,000 a year climbed 40 percent over the past five years, state records show. My wife has a long way to go. But our health insurance is fucking awesome.
Not for long, do you think your immune from Obama care? Your going to be paying taxes on that awesome plan very shortly. With the haves and the have not's its just a matter of time before the SHTF. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. At the same salary? Good luck. Who the hell can afford to live here with the property taxes. That's why I never bought a home. Couldn't afford it. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:33:38 PM EDT
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Private sector chooses to contribute. All money that is "contributed" to government employees is confiscated from the producers at the point of a gun. Since the public sector is larger than the productive sector, they vote themselves inordinately high salaries and overly generous benefits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. I pay into SS, pension, and 401k with my county gov job. Good, all civilian government employees should. There should be no contribution matching by the taxpayers. My private sector job contributes to my retirement, why shouldn't the public? Private sector chooses to contribute. All money that is "contributed" to government employees is confiscated from the producers at the point of a gun. Since the public sector is larger than the productive sector, they vote themselves inordinately high salaries and overly generous benefits. At gun point? Damn, things are rough. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:34:55 PM EDT
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That's State and Local Retirees, Federal Retirees make considerably less I know of a few FBI agents who live extremely comfortable in the NE. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:40:53 PM EDT
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Blah blah fucking blah. Here we go again bagging on the firemen and cops because we have a pension. How many times had this been hashed out this year? The most I can make when I max at 32 years is 74% of a first class private. No overtime, no top three years etc. Everyone always wants to bitch and complain about police and fire pensions and try to rob from them for this and that. Well fuck you and them. Unless you have been shot at by some scumbag or had to crawl down the hall of a boarded up vacant blowing fire over your head looking for the heroin junkie that started a fire to keep warm in sub zero temps fuck you(.mil excluded and thank you for your service) If you thought it was better in the private sector or were too much of a chicken shit to take the test then I guess you should just say thank you and continue to support your local police and firemen. I busted my ass to get on the fire dept. I didnt have family on and I am not a minority or a woman so I was behind the 8ball to start. I studied, worked out etc to be the best and was #1 for a reason. I did all of this knowing that my life would be shorter than the average joe on the street. I did it knowing that cancer is MANY times the normal person, that divorce rates are in the high 70's, that I would miss vacations, holidays, kids games and plays etc. They take applications every 2 years around here. All there is to do is sign up, do better than several thousand other people in the process and give up everything I listed before. I do it willingly without thought or reservation. I will lay down my life for yours and you want to complain about my pension. i direct this at no one in particular and am sorry if I offended anyone. I am just venting. We here this all the time.Its like the democratic party if they don't have racism to talk about they have nothing. No one is questioning your commitment but Its a matter of pure economics. No offense |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:21:35 PM EDT
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Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. If it did reduce the number of government employees, that would be a good thing too. We can't afford government pensions, they need to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilian government employees should not receive pensions. They should pay into SS and save for retirement. Good luck with that. That is partially the only reason the government has employees. force it to compete dollar for dollar with the free market and watch. Hell its hard enough for most open positions to find candidates now. Most government employees are unemployable at much above subsistence wages in the private sector, there would be no problem filling the government jobs without a pension. If it did reduce the number of government employees, that would be a good thing too. We can't afford government pensions, they need to go. Ok, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:56:42 PM EDT
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Since y'all are public employees, the "rest of us" are paying for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So sorry that some of you have lost benefits No reason to take it out on the rest of us If we had 401ks you'd be paying through taxes, just as you were "paying" through buying a companies products when more private sector companies had actual pensions The problems with public sector pension plans were in many cases caused by employers declaring pension holidays so that you actually ^weren't^ paying, or the plans were bled dry for their funding or otherwise run poorly. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:06:07 AM EDT
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We have a referendum fight going on over this right now.
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