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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:12:19 PM EDT
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the salesman made a mistake. you didn't know a mistake was made until they notified you. You did nothing wrong. My business would have ate the difference and chalked it up on the lesson learned board. This is what should have happened. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:16:40 PM EDT
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OP - you did a good job
however if the shoe was on the other foot I think it would be different. either way if you want a 10/22 they are all over good luck with your future purchase |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:19:15 PM EDT
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You paid for the gun and it matched the one on your receipt. It's yours. Tell them to dick off, you pushover.
I hope they reimbursed you for your gas and wasted time. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:28:01 PM EDT
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This right here. If you would have paid for the $300 dollar one and walked out with the $200 dollar one, you think they would have chased you down to correct the issue? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd tell the salesman to pound sand. Deal was made and paid. This right here. If you would have paid for the $300 dollar one and walked out with the $200 dollar one, you think they would have chased you down to correct the issue? Oh my yes! In fact they would have had their grandma bake them a batch of cookies to make up for the inconvenience.... 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:31:11 PM EDT
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So what happened to the 4473? you just can't "rescind" those can you?
The weapon was transferred to Hessian-1, did you (or they) fill out another 4473 and transfer it back to the store? Sounds like a big can of worms. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:33:20 PM EDT
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You should have never received any phone calls,
How did the store get your phone number? Why did you give them YOUR rifle back? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what happened to the 4473? you just can't "rescind" those can you? The weapon was transferred to Hessian-1, did you (or they) fill out another 4473 and transfer it back to the store? Sounds like a big can of worms. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:43:01 PM EDT
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Doesn't a mutual mistake render a contract voidable?
Shop should have just eaten it in the name of goodwill. But legally, I think that the shop is in the right asking for it back. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 12:48:44 PM EDT
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I had a clerk in a gun shop make a $100 error in my favor once. I didn't realize it until I got home and began looking over the paperwork. I went back and showed the manager what happened, and gave them their $100 back. They thanked me for my honesty. Was I being a chump by doing that? Should I have just kept my mouth shut? Some might say yes. My conscience would have bothered me though. The clerk who made the mistake was a Vietnam vet, and I was afraid the guy might get fired once the error was discovered. No way did I want that on my conscience. NO, you have a functional conscience, and character. And you didn't need me to say that, 'cause you already knew that. I read OP's "are you sure this fancy model should be sold at a base model price" quibbling as knowledge that he was gyping some dam dumb gun counter clerk. I'd like to be wrong about that. Legally, OP is OK. But, if I'm right, not morally OK, hence his need for validation here. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 1:12:21 PM EDT
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NO, you have a functional conscience, and character. And you didn't need me to say that, 'cause you already knew that. I read OP's "are you sure this fancy model should be sold at a base model price" quibbling as knowledge that he was gyping some dam dumb gun counter clerk. I'd like to be wrong about that. Legally, OP is OK. But, if I'm right, not morally OK, hence his need for validation here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a clerk in a gun shop make a $100 error in my favor once. I didn't realize it until I got home and began looking over the paperwork. I went back and showed the manager what happened, and gave them their $100 back. They thanked me for my honesty. Was I being a chump by doing that? Should I have just kept my mouth shut? Some might say yes. My conscience would have bothered me though. The clerk who made the mistake was a Vietnam vet, and I was afraid the guy might get fired once the error was discovered. No way did I want that on my conscience. NO, you have a functional conscience, and character. And you didn't need me to say that, 'cause you already knew that. I read OP's "are you sure this fancy model should be sold at a base model price" quibbling as knowledge that he was gyping some dam dumb gun counter clerk. I'd like to be wrong about that. Legally, OP is OK. But, if I'm right, not morally OK, hence his need for validation here. And I take his questions as an attempt to not screw over anyone. A man without a conscience and knowledge he was about to get one over on somebody wouldn't bother to ask. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 1:29:20 PM EDT
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Doesn't a mutual mistake render a contract voidable? Shop should have just eaten it in the name of goodwill. But legally, I think that the shop is in the right asking for it back. I wouldn't consider the mistake "mutual". OP asked for a $200 10/22, was handed a 10/22, and bought the 10/22 he was handed for $200 (plus tax). Mistake was all on the store's side. There's no reason the Hessian should be expected to know how exactly much the store meant to charge for that particular 10/22. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 1:33:41 PM EDT
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15% sales tax? 9% tax $10 background check I don't know about Somalia, but NICS checks are free to FFLs here in America. Only if you live in a free state though. 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 1:36:40 PM EDT
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Oh, another thing OP, they legally can't sell it as a new rifle anymore, so they're gonna take a hit either way.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 2:03:09 PM EDT
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Oh, another thing OP, they legally can't sell it as a new rifle anymore, so they're gonna take a hit either way. Sure, A shop that allowed their salesman to call & pester a customer to cover their $50 mistake would never do something unethical like that, now would they? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:01:00 PM EDT
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I wouldn't consider the mistake "mutual". OP asked for a $200 10/22, was handed a 10/22, and bought the 10/22 he was handed for $200 (plus tax). Mistake was all on the store's side. There's no reason the Hessian should be expected to know how exactly much the store meant to charge for that particular 10/22. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't a mutual mistake render a contract voidable? Shop should have just eaten it in the name of goodwill. But legally, I think that the shop is in the right asking for it back. I wouldn't consider the mistake "mutual". OP asked for a $200 10/22, was handed a 10/22, and bought the 10/22 he was handed for $200 (plus tax). Mistake was all on the store's side. There's no reason the Hessian should be expected to know how exactly much the store meant to charge for that particular 10/22. OP and the store both thought it was the $199 rifle, when in fact, it wasn't. Sounds pretty much like a definition of mutual mistake. Unless you believe that either the OP or the store knew it WASN'T the $199 rifle. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:03:33 PM EDT
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Name of the shop in Tennesee or
 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:06:45 PM EDT
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I would have shot a few hundred rounds out of it, and returned it dirty. I was going to suggest this. Make them have to sell it as a used rifle. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:17:23 PM EDT
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You mean 10/22's aren't $199 any more?
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:25:36 PM EDT
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I would have shot a few hundred rounds out of it, and returned it dirty.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:29:15 PM EDT
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Local gunstore was having a sale on 1022's. I recently traded mine off & needed one. I go in, ask for the $199.00 1022 & am handed a blue steel 1022 with nice walnut stock. Is this the 199.00 1022? yes I'll take it. Let's do this. fill out 4733 go to cash register & it rings up at $279.00 Salesman oks override & I walk out with rifle for $199.00 & tax.($228.99) 30 mins later I get a phone call saying I have wrong rifle. The rifle was never out of my sight during the entire transaction. I tell them I'll check my reciept. If it matches,( and I know it does,) they have my money & I have my rifle. I then get a phone call from the salesman trying to guilt me into to bringing it back. "I'll have to make up the difference." he whine s on the message. They're acting like I stole the rifle! I decide I've had enough of this crap & call the store to ask for the owner. At this point I just want my money back so I drive back to the store, complain to the manager & let him hear the pathetic insulting message his salesman left me. "What do you want me to do?" he asks, "Have the store eat the difference?". I told the manager he can refund my money & I'll take my business elsewhere. Also I'll tell everyone I know about what and how this happened. (I was planning on buying at least 2 more 1022's). Looks like he saved the business about $50 but lost at least 3 sales. I told the manager I expected the owner to contact me Monday. We'll see if I get a call from the owner. (My wife knows the owners wife.) Really too bad, that 1022 had a really purty stock. Guess I'll just get one online. Should I have just kept the rifle & blew off the phone calls? The salesman did sell me that rifle for $199.00. Of course I do believe in Karma so maybe I did do the right thing. Hessian-1 
By my count they had 3 chances to get their shit straight, no way I'd have taken it back. My wife gives me that Karma crap all the time and I tell her sometimes it works the other way, maybe that sales guy was a jerk and you getting that deal was the Karma he had coming. Now how's he every gonna learn? 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:34:02 PM EDT
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It rang up at $279 and he hit override? Sounds like it should be your rifle. DING DING DING! |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 4:09:27 PM EDT
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I just looked up the local gunstore I used when I lived in MA.
They currently have the rifle you described for sale for $189.95 + tax = $201.82 out the door. If you shop was charging $280 for that, fuck 'em. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 4:26:56 PM EDT
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I don't know about Somalia, but NICS checks are free to FFLs here in America. Only if you live in a free state though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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15% sales tax? 9% tax $10 background check I don't know about Somalia, but NICS checks are free to FFLs here in America. Only if you live in a free state though. Tennessee FFLs use TICS, a state system. The cost is $10 and it's non refundable. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 4:30:56 PM EDT
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Exactly. A business, well a good business, cannot tell their customer that they screwed up and want more money after a deal is done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My business would have ate the difference and chalked it up on the lesson learned board. Exactly. A business, well a good business, cannot tell their customer that they screwed up and want more money after a deal is done. This. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 4:52:57 PM EDT
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You should have told them there would be a $20 return fee.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:14:57 PM EDT
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You should have told them there would be a $20 $50 return fee. FIFY |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:17:48 PM EDT
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Pressure washer 2014 edition
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the salesman made a mistake. you didn't know a mistake was made until they notified you. You did nothing wrong. My business would have ate the difference and chalked it up on the lesson learned board. Gotta go with this. You specifically asked the guy if that was the correct rifle, and he said yes. At my shop we would have ate the loss. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:22:04 PM EDT
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I'd tell the salesman to pound sand. Deal was made and paid. This AND never go back there again. Idiots. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:22:50 PM EDT
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Tagged for the update.
This post made me rage for some reason |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:27:12 PM EDT
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:00:04 PM EDT
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Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:05:43 PM EDT
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You should have told them there would be a $20 return fee.
I like the way you think. The shop got the rifle rifle back & the use of my money (that they put back on my card) for several days until all the "pending" crap is resolved. I am sure they will try to sell the rifle as "new." It's not so much about the cost of the rifle as it is the insult to my character in the message left on my voicemail by the salesman. I have yet to hear an apology. As I said before, I'm done doing business with them as are at least 6 people I have shared this with locally. As for giving the name of the shop I said earlier in the thread I'm waiting to talk to the owner. I used to own a business & I would want to know if one of my employees was running it down. I have, in the past paid for my employees mistakes as an owner. FWIW I have purchased a gunsafe, several guns, and untold ammo & accessories from this shop in the past 5 years at full retail price as well as many gifts for others. Hessian-1
ETA: All you crusaders, how about reading the thread before you comment? I'm not looking for validation & my world will not come to an end because we don't agree.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:11:09 PM EDT
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so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are? I'm not getting anything remotely like that out of anything in this thread. So far as I can recall, the OP had NEVER said/done anything here that would make me think his character is suspect. I suggest you do some re-reading. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:14:09 PM EDT
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid Have you even read the fucking thread? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:14:57 PM EDT
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Shouldve carved a "Dick-butt" on the stock before giving it back. Parking lot trench art ftw!
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:17:43 PM EDT
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Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are? I'm not getting anything remotely like that out of anything in this thread. So far as I can recall, the OP had NEVER said/done anything here that would make me think his character is suspect. I suggest you do some re-reading. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are? I'm not getting anything remotely like that out of anything in this thread. So far as I can recall, the OP had NEVER said/done anything here that would make me think his character is suspect. I suggest you do some re-reading. Pretty sure he's fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:20:59 PM EDT
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Pretty sure he's fucking retarded. Not necessarily. He COULD be functionally illiterate, disillusioned to the point where EVERYONE is suspect, trying (badly) to be "funny"..... You get the idea. Whatever it is, he sure is barking up the wrong fucking tree in a bad way. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:22:05 PM EDT
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You did right thing not because you had to but because you chose to.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:27:40 PM EDT
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Pressure washer 2014 edition Uh, no. Not even fucking close. Shut up. so he didn't walk out the store with it but he knowingly underpaid Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are? I'm not getting anything remotely like that out of anything in this thread. So far as I can recall, the OP had NEVER said/done anything here that would make me think his character is suspect. I suggest you do some re-reading. Pretty sure he's fucking retarded. Hey Fellas, don't be so hard on him. He's probably doing the best he can with what he's got.
I suppose this will all be taken care of tomorrow after I talk to the owner. If not, well it has been entertaining. 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:30:02 PM EDT
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It rang up at $279 and he hit override? Sounds like it should be your rifle. Keep it. The deal's done and you paid for it and even questioned it to give them a chance to check for an error on their part. I give only one chance for a business to correct something where they short change themselves. Enjoy your new rifle w/ walnut stock. 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:38:22 PM EDT
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Not necessarily. He COULD be functionally illiterate, disillusioned to the point where EVERYONE is suspect, trying (badly) to be "funny"..... You get the idea. Whatever it is, he sure is barking up the wrong fucking tree in a bad way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure he's fucking retarded. Not necessarily. He COULD be functionally illiterate, disillusioned to the point where EVERYONE is suspect, trying (badly) to be "funny"..... You get the idea. Whatever it is, he sure is barking up the wrong fucking tree in a bad way. No, he's mentally and developmentally delayed. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:42:37 PM EDT
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That store manager was an idiot.
Eat the cost of the fuck up. Not worth $50. They still made money on the sale, not much, but more then making a customer return the rifle. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:48:32 PM EDT
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You mean 10/22's aren't $199 any more? This. I thought, "$199 for a 10/22? That must be a real nice stainless version or something." 
Damn, time flies when you're having fun. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I thought, "$199 for a 10/22? That must be a real nice stainless version or something." Damn, time flies when you're having fun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean 10/22's aren't $199 any more? This. I thought, "$199 for a 10/22? That must be a real nice stainless version or something." Damn, time flies when you're having fun. $199 for a basic 10/22 carbine with a Beech wood stock is not a bad deal. That is how much the prices have gone up. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:52:32 PM EDT
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$199 for a basic 10/22 carbine with a Beech wood stock is not a bad deal. That is how much the prices have gone up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You mean 10/22's aren't $199 any more? This. I thought, "$199 for a 10/22? That must be a real nice stainless version or something."
Damn, time flies when you're having fun. $199 for a basic 10/22 carbine with a Beech wood stock is not a bad deal. That is how much the prices have gone up. Yeah, I thought the $139-149 or so I paid for mine was kinda high, but that WAS over 10 years ago. Even then, it was the best price I could find. When my brother was looking for one for my nephew, I was surprised by how much they were. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:10:03 PM EDT
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I have not heard from the shop or the owner & the funds are not on my card from the "return."
Mahoneys in Johnson City. I wonder if I have any recourse other than just telling everyone I know they are lying, cheating, pigs? Hessian-1
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:16:09 PM EDT
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the salesman made a mistake. you didn't know a mistake was made until they notified you. You did nothing wrong. My business would have ate the difference and chalked it up on the lesson learned board. Yep, When I worked in the marine world. I wrote up a quote to sell a boat. It was a special order and we maybe were going to make 2k off a 30,000 rig. Well guess what I forget to do, add in all the accessories into the price, trolling motor, gpd/ fish finder etc. How much of a screw up I made, about $2500 worth, there goes our profit. My boss/store owner was going to gladly honor the deal we made with the guy. The guy being a stand up gentlemen he was, refused to let us do that and met us in the middle and put down another 1250. Boy I sure made sure I took care of that customer every time he needed service or anything else. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:32:36 PM EDT
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I have not heard from the shop or the owner & the funds are not on my card from the "return." Mahoneys in Johnson City. I wonder if I have any recourse other than just telling everyone I know they are lying, cheating, pigs? Hessian-1
I'll be in Bristol tomorrow. They have another store in Abingdon. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:27:22 AM EDT
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I had a clerk in a gun shop make a $100 error in my favor once. I didn't realize it until I got home and began looking over the paperwork. I went back and showed the manager what happened, and gave them their $100 back. They thanked me for my honesty. Was I being a chump by doing that? Should I have just kept my mouth shut? Some might say yes. My conscience would have bothered me though. The clerk who made the mistake was a Vietnam vet, and I was afraid the guy might get fired once the error was discovered. No way did I want that on my conscience. You are a good man. And I don't get how so many here would be willing to tell a business to go fuck themselves over a mistake they made. It was a mistake, not a deal, where he knew he was giving you a lower price, and then later changed his mind. Big difference, so be a good person and return the wrong item and get the right one, or pay the difference. It is like you LOOK for, and HOPE that they fuck up, so you can get over on them. Is that how y'all were raised? I hope not, cause such things remind me of the FSA. |
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