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Quoted: The only place I can think of where it would even remotely be an issue would be Cuyahoga County, with their big city thinking and all. In most parts of Ohio the clerk would be given the key to the city and a new box of ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Report yesterday said he had no CCL, hopefully this doesnt cause too much trouble. Don't need one to CC in a private business, if you are an employee/"agent of the proprietor" and have his permission. Also, the "reasonable person" defense is still a valid affirmative defense, last I knew. Given the circumstances as presented, unless he's a prohibited person, I'd say there's about a 0% chance he's going to be charged with anything. Ohhh and fuck Cuyahoga County
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Report yesterday said he had no CCL, hopefully this doesnt cause too much trouble. Open carry with permission of the owner? Idk how Ohio is, but in Kentucky you don't need a CCL to carry concealed on private property if you have permission from the owner. So he could have still had it concealed as well. |
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Idk how Ohio is, but in Kentucky you don't need a CCL to carry concealed on private property if you have permission from the owner. So he could have still had it concealed as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Report yesterday said he had no CCL, hopefully this doesnt cause too much trouble. Open carry with permission of the owner? Idk how Ohio is, but in Kentucky you don't need a CCL to carry concealed on private property if you have permission from the owner. So he could have still had it concealed as well. From what I understand, in Ohio you have to have a CHL to carry concealed even on your own property but not in your home. ORC Section 2923.12(C)(3) (C) (1) This section does not apply to any of the following: (a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or to a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns and is acting within the scope of the officer's, agent's, or employee's duties; (b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (C)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person; (c) A person's transportation or storage of a firearm, other than a firearm described in divisions (G) to (M) of section 2923.11 of the Revised Code, in a motor vehicle for any lawful purpose if the firearm is not on the actor's person; (d) A person's storage or possession of a firearm, other than a firearm described in divisions (G) to (M) of section 2923.11 of the Revised Code, in the actor's own home for any lawful purpose. (2) Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to any person who, at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun, is carrying a valid concealed handgun license, unless the person knowingly is in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code. (D) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A)(1) of this section of carrying or having control of a weapon other than a handgun and other than a dangerous ordnance that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the weapon and that any of the following applies: (1) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in or was going to or from the actor's lawful business or occupation, which business or occupation was of a character or was necessarily carried on in a manner or at a time or place as to render the actor particularly susceptible to criminal attack, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed. (2) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in a lawful activity and had reasonable cause to fear a criminal attack upon the actor, a member of the actor's family, or the actor's home, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed. (3) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for any lawful purpose and while in the actor's own home. |
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Report yesterday said he had no CCL, hopefully this doesnt cause too much trouble. View Quote He open carried Ohio is a constitutional OC state. He was on private propert with permission from the owner to carry. I'd bet you can even do that in New Jersey. I like the black folks standing up for the clerk and none of that Dindu Nuffin nonsense |
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Don't need one to CC in a private business, if you are an employee/"agent of the proprietor" and have his permission. Also, the "reasonable person" defense is still a valid affirmative defense, last I knew. Given the circumstances as presented, unless he's a prohibited person, I'd say there's about a 0% chance he's going to be charged with anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Report yesterday said he had no CCL, hopefully this doesnt cause too much trouble. Don't need one to CC in a private business, if you are an employee/"agent of the proprietor" and have his permission. Also, the "reasonable person" defense is still a valid affirmative defense, last I knew. Given the circumstances as presented, unless he's a prohibited person, I'd say there's about a 0% chance he's going to be charged with anything. Not true here in michigan according to a lawyer I know that had to defend a strip club manager that was ccwing. |
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It's not over until the third suspect is apprehended. He could be dead, we just don't know right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So close to that hat trick It's not over until the third suspect is apprehended. He could be dead, we just don't know right now. The way the announcer talked quickly at the end of the report made it sound as if he said, "The third assailant seen here in dark clothes and a white mask is still at large, but the clerk's co-workers hope to welcome him back soon" (sic) So they can shoot him, too. |
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According to people interviewed on the news last night he always open carried while at work and everyone in the neighborhood knew it...except for these three boneheads apparently.
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Two out of three with rounds inbound. I'd like to buy that man a beer or twelve.
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PD press conference
http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20140923/NEWS/140929779 Clerk was OC and suffered NON life threatening injuries. |
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Yeah, it's a real shame, he wasn't able to get the 3rd guy. Good shooting under duress none the less. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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1/3 bad shoot Yeah, it's a real shame, he wasn't able to get the 3rd guy. Good shooting under duress none the less. a .667 average would get you into Cooperstown. First ballot. |
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An Ohio member (ThePontificator) posted a link in the Ohio forum of a previous robbery.
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/canton/2014/08/30/two-robbery-suspects-open-fire-inside-store/14859717/ |
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Do any of them state how he is being covered medically? Would hate to see a person go into financial hardship over this. |
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The way the announcer talked quickly at the end of the report made it sound as if he said, "The third assailant seen here in dark clothes and a white mask is still at large, but the clerk's co-workers hope to welcome him back soon" (sic) So they can shoot him, too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So close to that hat trick It's not over until the third suspect is apprehended. He could be dead, we just don't know right now. The way the announcer talked quickly at the end of the report made it sound as if he said, "The third assailant seen here in dark clothes and a white mask is still at large, but the clerk's co-workers hope to welcome him back soon" (sic) So they can shoot him, too. Yeah, I caught that, too! |
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The mother off the dead baby daddy (Ronnie Lawson) has set up a Go Fund Me account to help pay for his funeral expenses. Fuck that shit.
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An Ohio member (ThePontificator) posted a link in the Ohio forum of a previous robbery. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/canton/2014/08/30/two-robbery-suspects-open-fire-inside-store/14859717/ View Quote Well, isn't that interesting... Whoever's wearing the white mask is the one still out there, I think. |
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"ThePontificator" has a thread linking to one of the dead guys GoFundMe accounts.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1669306_Canton__OH__GoFundMe_set_up_for_thug_killed_in_botched_armed_robbery.html ETA: Looks like the gofundme account was pulled, I should have checked before posting. |
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View Quote I wonder what the clerk had and where he hit them, cause the guy in red was still shooting and they both would have been able to return fire in their condition as they ran away if they chose to. ETA: After watching that again, it wouldn't surprise me if the guy in red hit one of his partners in crime. He hit the concrete and display barrels next to the entrance with his panicked fire. |
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Hopefully the third POS will be caught and charged with the two others deaths.
That's how they do it here. In Ohio? |
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I wonder what the clerk had and where he hit them, cause the guy in red was still shooting and they both would have been able to return fire in their condition as they ran away if they chose to. ETA: After watching that again, it wouldn't surprise me if the guy in red hit one of his partners in crime. He hit the concrete and display barrels next to the entrance with his panicked fire. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I wonder what the clerk had and where he hit them, cause the guy in red was still shooting and they both would have been able to return fire in their condition as they ran away if they chose to. ETA: After watching that again, it wouldn't surprise me if the guy in red hit one of his partners in crime. He hit the concrete and display barrels next to the entrance with his panicked fire. For all we know, he Glocked his own femoral artery and perforated his accomplice, and the clerk never fired/landed a shot? That would be poetic. |
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Quoted: Pretty sure we have a felony murder statute. ETA: Yep. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hopefully the third POS will be caught and charged with the two others deaths. That's how they do it here. In Ohio? Pretty sure we have a felony murder statute. ETA: Yep. They'll run the shooting past the Grand Jury as far as the clerk is concerned. These things usually start with a fairly detailed lesson on what is considered a lawful use of deadly force in Ohio. They then present the facts of the case in case anyone has any questions. Killing someone is fairly serious business in Ohio so they do take a long look at the entire case to be sure the shooter is in the clear. Around these parts its not so much a witch hunt as it is crossing all the T's and dotting every I to make sure it really was what it appeared to be. I've known a few that had to endure the scrutiny but have yet to see anyone but a guy who shot a kid at 200 yards with a .308 for stealing some plants out of his marijuana patch and another guy who shot a kid at a similar distance for stealing a bale of straw actually put on trial. |
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Yes, in the infinite wisdom and mercy that passes for justice in Ohio the third accomplice is on the hook for a couple of counts of Aggravated Murder. He's facing a possible death penalty case in that one. Which is good and bad for him because Death Row is much nicer than regular general population. Not that I really care all that much what happens to him once he's caught. They'll run the shooting past the Grand Jury as far as the clerk is concerned. These things usually start with a fairly detailed lesson on what is considered a lawful use of deadly force in Ohio. They then present the facts of the case in case anyone has any questions. Killing someone is fairly serious business in Ohio so they do take a long look at the entire case to be sure the shooter is in the clear. Around these parts its not so much a witch hunt as it is crossing all the T's and dotting every I to make sure it really was what it appeared to be. I've known a few that had to endure the scrutiny but have yet to see anyone but a guy who shot a kid at 200 yards with a .308 for stealing some plants out of his marijuana patch and another guy who shot a kid at a similar distance for stealing a bale of straw actually put on trial. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hopefully the third POS will be caught and charged with the two others deaths. That's how they do it here. In Ohio? Pretty sure we have a felony murder statute. ETA: Yep. They'll run the shooting past the Grand Jury as far as the clerk is concerned. These things usually start with a fairly detailed lesson on what is considered a lawful use of deadly force in Ohio. They then present the facts of the case in case anyone has any questions. Killing someone is fairly serious business in Ohio so they do take a long look at the entire case to be sure the shooter is in the clear. Around these parts its not so much a witch hunt as it is crossing all the T's and dotting every I to make sure it really was what it appeared to be. I've known a few that had to endure the scrutiny but have yet to see anyone but a guy who shot a kid at 200 yards with a .308 for stealing some plants out of his marijuana patch and another guy who shot a kid at a similar distance for stealing a bale of straw actually put on trial. That mirrors my experience on the grand jury. They explain the charges, what is required to meet the charges, and then what exactly happened any why it fits the charges. Then they present any evidence. Finally, it's put to a vote. I'm pretty sure he's in the clear seeing as far as the shooting goes. As far as carrying is concerned if he was OCing I'm pretty sure he's g2g. If he was CCWing, it wouldn't take a particularly skillful attorney to convince a couple jury members that he meets one of the "reasonable need" exceptions for not having a license, assuming the DA even tries to push the issue... I lived in Stark for 25 years before I moved to neighboring Wayne county. Parts of Canton are a shithole. IMHO just living and/or working there meets the "reasonable need" requirement... |
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I lived in Ohio all my life until last year I never knew about the felony murder thing. Cool.
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What's interesting to me is how far each of the deceased managed to run, with lethal wounds. One was found in the 700 block of Dryden Avenue Southwest (top-right circle), while the second was found in the 800 block of Smith Ave SouthWest (left circle). The shooting scene is the building circled in the lower right. That's a respectable distance to cover when you're leakin' <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/CantonRobbery3_zps347bdb6c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/CantonRobbery3_zps347bdb6c.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks for posting those pic's TheGrayMan. What's interesting to me is how far each of the deceased managed to run, with lethal wounds. One was found in the 700 block of Dryden Avenue Southwest (top-right circle), while the second was found in the 800 block of Smith Ave SouthWest (left circle). The shooting scene is the building circled in the lower right. That's a respectable distance to cover when you're leakin' <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/CantonRobbery3_zps347bdb6c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/CantonRobbery3_zps347bdb6c.jpg</a> I hope the white masked / black clothing guy is dead in a hole somewhere. |
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Not to many details on the clerk, but he was hit in the legs and still killed two of the three crooks. Sound like he has a good bit of community support and the PD portion sounds supportive of the shoot. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/stark-county/2014/09/22/marathon-armed-robbery/16083845/ View Quote Sounds like 1st Degree Robbery since a weapon was used and inflicted serious bodily harm Minimum Sentence = 3 years Maximum Sentence = 10 years Average Cost per day for an Inmate in Ohio - $164 Minimum Cost to Tax payer for 1 Inmate for 3 years - $179,580 Maximum Cost to Tax Payer for 1 Inmate for 10 years - $598,600 Two Criminals Killed - Cost Savings for Tax Payer - Range ( $359,160 , $1,197,200) I'd say the Clerk earned a new handgun for his birthday...Group Buy? |
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Good shoot, That is the guy from the other thread about his gofundme thread.
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Ha! How is it running shot with your pants halfway down dumbass!!
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