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Posted: 9/29/2014 3:11:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2014 3:21:28 PM EDT
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Oh, for sure. Which is a very good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That being said, this gun is probably not being marketed to them anyway. It will sit in Walmart, every other chain store and every gun shop that already sells Rugers and it will compete with DPMS and Bushmaster entry level ARs, and with a $600 price tag and Ruger's name, it will win. Oh, for sure. Which is a very good thing. Exactly....more interested in the SR7.62, myself. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 3:24:49 PM EDT
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Ruger’s affordable new AR-15 is packed with quality features and also includes a 30-round Magpul PMAG. At an expected retail price of $599, we anticipate users buying this rifle and customizing it as they please with aftermarket accessories and optics.
Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/first-look-ruger-ar-556/#ixzz3EjaUQA00 |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:08:21 PM EDT
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I wonder if Ruger will do one in .308/7.62.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:11:26 PM EDT
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I wonder if Ruger will do one in .308/7.62. They should sell it for $850 to compete with PSAs new 308. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:12:42 PM EDT
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They should sell it for $850 to compete with PSAs new 308. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if Ruger will do one in .308/7.62. They should sell it for $850 to compete with PSAs new 308. I would actually probably buy one of those. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:13:43 PM EDT
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't that need to be made on the Redhawk frame? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While they're on a roll, if they make a 10mm GP100 I'll take back everything bad I ever said about 'em. Wouldn't that need to be made on the Redhawk frame? http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerdarevolvers.html |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:54:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:40:05 PM EDT
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I would actually probably buy one of those. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if Ruger will do one in .308/7.62. They should sell it for $850 to compete with PSAs new 308. I would actually probably buy one of those. Oh yeah, that would finally drag me into the AR .308 game. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. More choices is more gooder. I do think they should have gone with a mid length gas system and a melonited barrel though but that is just me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not cost effective
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:07:47 PM EDT
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Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Its not like one process costs much more then the other |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:12:46 PM EDT
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Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Yeah it's not like NOT having a chrome-lined barrel has any benefits, either. It doesn't make or break a rifle. There are pros and cons for both types: lined and unlined.. But that's a topic for another thread. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:35:29 PM EDT
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My hat's off to the good folks at Ruger for delving even further into the black rifle world.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:59:43 PM EDT
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Nice. More choices is more gooder. I do think they should have gone with a mid length gas system and a melonited barrel though but that is just me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not cost effective Well then, how about just the mid-length gas system? Forget the barrel. 
Regardless of anything else, Ruger's name & the the price point of this rifle should guarantee it sells. More power to them. ARs for all. The more the better. Hopefully other manufacturers drop their pricing so that they are more competitive in the market. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:14:04 PM EDT
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Yeah it's not like NOT having a chrome-lined barrel has any benefits, either. It doesn't make or break a rifle. There are pros and cons for both types: lined and unlined.. But that's a topic for another thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Yeah it's not like NOT having a chrome-lined barrel has any benefits, either. It doesn't make or break a rifle. There are pros and cons for both types: lined and unlined.. But that's a topic for another thread. We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:22:20 PM EDT
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We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Yeah its not like chrome-lining has any benefits. Yeah it's not like NOT having a chrome-lined barrel has any benefits, either. It doesn't make or break a rifle. There are pros and cons for both types: lined and unlined..[div style='text-align: left;'] But that's a topic for another thread. We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:23:28 PM EDT
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners.
I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:41:38 PM EDT
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I heard next april they're gonna release the takedown model!
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:42:42 PM EDT
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They are CNC machines.. Not really a great hint.... The LCR 9mm I am actually interested in.. I dont think you are going to see anything "Ground Breaking" comming from ruger.. A tactical shovel? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. ETA: Yep. "All models have cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC barrels with chrome-lined bores and are held to a +/- .001” headspace to produce and maintain one minute-of-angle (1 MOA) accuracy, making them natural choices for long-range target shooting and competition" |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:55:46 PM EDT
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Commercial tube. "•The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. " |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:31:38 PM EDT
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And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. Measurable doesn't mean realistic, especially with a basic AR-15 with a 5.56 chamber built for general use. Corrosion/damage/wear is more likely to be Joe Sixpack's issue than .10" loss of accuracy, especially since M193 is the GP round of the masses. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:36:47 PM EDT
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners. I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. Chrome-Lining is Tier Spec-Op Mil-Spec 1 Chrome-Moly is Tier Pleb 5 |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:57:33 PM EDT
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Measurable doesn't mean realistic, especially with a basic AR-15 with a 5.56 chamber built for general use. Corrosion/damage/wear is more likely to be Joe Sixpack's issue than .10" loss of accuracy, especially since M193 is the GP round of the masses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. Measurable doesn't mean realistic, especially with a basic AR-15 with a 5.56 chamber built for general use. Corrosion/damage/wear is more likely to be Joe Sixpack's issue than .10" loss of accuracy, especially since M193 is the GP round of the masses. Most gun owners will realize zero gain spending money on a chrome lined barrel. For guns that see maybe 250 rounds a year, its a non factor. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:24:07 PM EDT
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Is Ruger producing all the components of this rifle in-house? They have gigantic (for the gun industry) manufacturing capacity. Ruger getting into the AR "pieces" business could alter the market tremendously. I'd be surprised if Ruger wasn't already making most of the components already. I think Ruger getting into the volume end of the AR market is going to "alter the market tremendously" in and of itself. In the competing price range, there's a stripped out S&W, there's DPMS, and there's a bunch of brands most consumers have never heard of. Hell, a sizable percentage of the people I've talked to looking for a $600 AR have never even heard of DPMS. Unless there's some kind of flaw we haven't heard about, this Ruger is going to rape, pillage, plunder, and kill in the lower end of the market. I don't have much use for one myself, but that's the rifle I'd want on the rack when it's time to make sales. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 12:16:21 AM EDT
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Doesn't FN chrome line their precision rifle barrels? ETA: Yep. "All models have cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC barrels with chrome-lined bores and are held to a +/- .001” headspace to produce and maintain one minute-of-angle (1 MOA) accuracy, making them natural choices for long-range target shooting and competition" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We learned since the 50s that chrome lining provides plenty of benefits with NO negatives.... except cost from cheap-ass manufacturers. And a measurable negative effect on accuracy. But you obviously think otherwise, which is fine. Go spend too much money on a Colt. That's why all this choice is good for everyone. ETA: Yep. "All models have cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC barrels with chrome-lined bores and are held to a +/- .001” headspace to produce and maintain one minute-of-angle (1 MOA) accuracy, making them natural choices for long-range target shooting and competition" Why the hell does everyone bring up FN when talking about chrome lined AR barrels?? It is not the same as the precision guns are held to a much higher tolerance which is why they shoot so well. I am not aware of any AR barrels that are held to that kind of tolerance are you?? I would bet a dollar that even FN's own AR barrels arent using the same process as their SPR line. I own a SPR and it shoots great but it is not really a good comparison. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 12:17:03 AM EDT
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners. I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. Chrome-Lining is Tier Spec-Op Mil-Spec 1 Chrome-Moly is Tier Pleb 5 So perfect for 99.9% of us then. Glad we agree |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 1:47:16 AM EDT
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while I don't have much interest in the rifle myself, I'm very glad to see this.
A Ruger AR selling at $600ish will bring about even more EBR owners, this is a beautiful thing. I said the same thing about the Sportical and the M&P Sport. These AR's while not for AR are there to introduce other people into the world of the AR |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:49:42 AM EDT
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While they're on a roll, if they make a 10mm GP100 I'll take back everything bad I ever said about 'em. Wouldn't that need to be made on the Redhawk frame? http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerdarevolvers.html NICE! I have little use for a 10mm auto, but that would be great as a BUG for hunting in the Rockies or Alaska.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:40:14 AM EDT
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while I don't have much interest in the rifle myself, I'm very glad to see this. A Ruger AR selling at $600ish will bring about even more EBR owners, this is a beautiful thing. I said the same thing about the Sportical and the M&P Sport. These AR's while not for AR are there to introduce other people into the world of the AR Huh?
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:03:28 AM EDT
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while I don't have much interest in the rifle myself, I'm very glad to see this. A Ruger AR selling at $600ish will bring about even more EBR owners, this is a beautiful thing. I said the same thing about the Sportical and the M&P Sport. These AR's while not for AR are there to introduce other people into the world of the AR Huh? 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:14:42 AM EDT
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners. I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. Lol not to mention out collective obsession with demanding the comprised1/7 twist over 1/9 or 1/8. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:17:30 AM EDT
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Lol not to mention out collective obsession with demanding the comprised1/7 twist over 1/9 or 1/8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners. I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. Lol not to mention out collective obsession with demanding the comprised1/7 twist over 1/9 or 1/8. Also the love affair with the worthless M-4 profile GL cut in the barrel and a 556 NATO chamber instead of a 223 Whyde chamber. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:17:46 AM EDT
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While they're on a roll, if they make a 10mm GP100 I'll take back everything bad I ever said about 'em. I never bashed Ruger, but a 10mm revolver would make me VERY happy. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:17:53 AM EDT
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I'd be surprised if Ruger wasn't already making most of the components already. I think Ruger getting into the volume end of the AR market is going to "alter the market tremendously" in and of itself. In the competing price range, there's a stripped out S&W, there's DPMS, and there's a bunch of brands most consumers have never heard of. Hell, a sizable percentage of the people I've talked to looking for a $600 AR have never even heard of DPMS. Unless there's some kind of flaw we haven't heard about, this Ruger is going to rape, pillage, plunder, and kill in the lower end of the market. I don't have much use for one myself, but that's the rifle I'd want on the rack when it's time to make sales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is Ruger producing all the components of this rifle in-house? They have gigantic (for the gun industry) manufacturing capacity. Ruger getting into the AR "pieces" business could alter the market tremendously. I'd be surprised if Ruger wasn't already making most of the components already. I think Ruger getting into the volume end of the AR market is going to "alter the market tremendously" in and of itself. In the competing price range, there's a stripped out S&W, there's DPMS, and there's a bunch of brands most consumers have never heard of. Hell, a sizable percentage of the people I've talked to looking for a $600 AR have never even heard of DPMS. Unless there's some kind of flaw we haven't heard about, this Ruger is going to rape, pillage, plunder, and kill in the lower end of the market. I don't have much use for one myself, but that's the rifle I'd want on the rack when it's time to make sales. They make some. AR parts do not require the sophisticated process ruger uses on other small parts. Ruger would be wasting resourses making these in house instead of more complex small parts for their other guns when they can buy them to their spec from someone else It's probably mostly CMT small parts |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:35:32 AM EDT
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You guys are cracking me up on the barrel. I bet the number of people on this board that have worn out a barrel is pretty small. The two groups of people that I encounter on a regular basis that go through barrels are high power shooter and machine gun owners. I really wish I would keep that link around where Bigbore (Adco) got something like 10k out of a stainless barrel and it still shot decently. Lol not to mention out collective obsession with demanding the comprised1/7 twist over 1/9 or 1/8. Also the love affair with the worthless M-4 profile GL cut in the barrel and a 556 NATO chamber instead of a 223 Whyde chamber. Yup agree on profile. But I don't have a problem with the 5.56 chambers. Wylde chambers are not going to change accuracy or reliability on most barrels or ammo. It was pretty cute when S&W came out with a $600 AR with a 5R rifled 1:8 barrel with a nitrided treatment and everyone bitched for months that people were going to die in their Pat Rogers training classes. Then we find out that the cheap S&W sport had shot better than most stainless match barrels on the market because a 5R nitrided 1:8 barrel is pretty optimal |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:46:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:02:48 AM EDT
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I'm thinking that I'm going to pick one these up when I get a little cash. Since I don't have worry about damaging any chrome lining, I might cut the barrel down to 14.5 and perm attach something, maybe even flute the barrel under the hand guards to drop some weight. Through on a carry handle and have a sweet truck gun.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:08:18 AM EDT
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It was pretty cute when S&W came out with a $600 AR with a 5R rifled 1:8 barrel with a nitrided treatment and everyone bitched for months that people were going to die in their Pat Rogers training classes. Then we find out that the cheap S&W sport had shot better than most stainless match barrels on the market because a 5R nitrided 1:8 barrel is pretty optimal The butt-hurt from the +$1K AR crowd was funny. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 12:55:01 PM EDT
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I don't care about chrome lined barrels on a $600 AR
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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:46:52 PM EDT
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It was pretty cute when S&W came out with a $600 AR with a 5R rifled 1:8 barrel with a nitrided treatment and everyone bitched for months that people were going to die in their Pat Rogers training classes. Then we find out that the cheap S&W sport had shot better than most stainless match barrels on the market because a 5R nitrided 1:8 barrel is pretty optimal The butt-hurt from the +$1K AR crowd was funny. Those guns were a steal and I sold every one I could. It was pretty hard to sell any of the other name brand guns when hey we're sitting next to it. If they would have made it a mid length for the same money that would have been awesome. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:14:52 PM EDT
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Those guns were a steal and I sold every one I could. It was pretty hard to sell any of the other name brand guns when hey we're sitting next to it. If they would have made it a mid length for the same money that would have been awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was pretty cute when S&W came out with a $600 AR with a 5R rifled 1:8 barrel with a nitrided treatment and everyone bitched for months that people were going to die in their Pat Rogers training classes. Then we find out that the cheap S&W sport had shot better than most stainless match barrels on the market because a 5R nitrided 1:8 barrel is pretty optimal The butt-hurt from the +$1K AR crowd was funny. Those guns were a steal and I sold every one I could. It was pretty hard to sell any of the other name brand guns when hey we're sitting next to it. If they would have made it a mid length for the same money that would have been awesome. And they were REALLY fucking accurate Tossed some 69gr match ammo down a 200 years range with one with a Nikon scope and a cheap RRA trigger group. Impressive for a cheap little shitgun. I was ready to throw my $3000 BCM mega build down the driveway |
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